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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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The point is (if you are the chief of police), is when you lay down to sleep you ask yourself "have we done all we could do, to prevent an attack?" I would think that blocking a sidewalk we be a no-brainer.

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I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.

But bad guys are going to do bad things.

We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.

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Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.

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Kind of like having security checkpoints to keep terrorists out, yet you just created a bottleneck that is vulnerable to attack by making the checkpoint in the first place.

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JCA1 said:

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GAC06 said:

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JCA1 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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nortex97 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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I'm fine if they want to put up barriers on Bourbon. I just don't get people harping on it like it would have prevented this. While I'm certainly not meaning to minimize the tragedy, he apparently struck about 50 people while traveling about 3 blocks. He could have achieved a similar result literally all over town. And that's ignoring their ability to change their plans in response to defensive measures.

Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.

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How would barriers not have prevented this?

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That would have only have prevented it from happening on Bourbon. But NOLA is jam packed with pedestrians around New Years. There's literally dozens of locations he could have achieved similar results. Short of erecting walls between every busy sidewalk and the road, you can't realistically prevent something like this.

Maybe people aren't familiar with NOLA and think Bourbon is the only place people gather in crowds?

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It's for more troubling to me that his mosque is telling members to not cooperate with the authorities.

Thats a problem.

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Seems obstructiony

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I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.

But bad guys are going to do bad things.

We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.

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Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.

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Kind of like having security checkpoints to keep terrorists out, yet you just created a bottleneck that is vulnerable to attack by making the checkpoint in the first place.

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This reminded me of one of my co-workers whose kid's school had a gun threat. So they wouldn't let anyone in and instead lined them up outside. Apparently, it never occurred to anyone how ridiculous that was if someone wanted to shoot up a bunch of kids.

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With all the criticism...

Latoya Cantrell... NO Mayor... she is good. Not sure if she is competent, but she spoke well transitioning from a time of tragedy and fear to a time to move forward. She was sincere and empathetic, but also assuring that "New Orleans is ready."

Not to dismiss the tragedy, but we do have areas of life that have recovery and healing...

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She is good at talking. Plus she has to give this speech a couple times a year.

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The NOLA police chief and her administration "dropped the ball". Time to rethink the Super Bowl location.

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I don't think this is entirely accurate. They had a police vehicle blocking the intersection and he drove around it. There is no police force in the world better at large crowds and even they had success. The guy literally didn't get two steps out of the truck before a dozen officers fired on him.

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Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.

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Or figure out every possible way or bottleneck they might use to attack.

The only thing that could even somewhat blunt it is a special elimination group -- where if it is somehow known in advance that a given one is going to try something, they are just canceled rather than waiting. Of course none of that would be legally valid, but it would be a way if that is the govt's in question's focus.

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GAC06 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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nortex97 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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I'm fine if they want to put up barriers on Bourbon. I just don't get people harping on it like it would have prevented this. While I'm certainly not meaning to minimize the tragedy, he apparently struck about 50 people while traveling about 3 blocks. He could have achieved a similar result literally all over town. And that's ignoring their ability to change their plans in response to defensive measures.

Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.

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How would barriers not have prevented this?

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That would have only have prevented it from happening on Bourbon. But NOLA is jam packed with pedestrians around New Years. There's literally dozens of locations he could have achieved similar results. Short of erecting walls between every busy sidewalk and the road, you can't realistically prevent something like this.

Maybe people aren't familiar with NOLA and think Bourbon is the only place people gather in crowds?

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No kidding. The entire French quarter and many other areas are usually jam packed on any given night. NYE is just worse. All soft targets that would have resulted in many casualties.

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Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.

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Or figure out every possible way or bottleneck they might use to attack.

The only thing that could even somewhat blunt it is a special elimination group -- where if it is somehow known in advance that a given one is going to try something, they are just canceled rather than waiting. Of course none of that would be legally valid, but it would be a way if that is the govt's in question's focus.

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When you just want to indiscriminately kill people and are willing to die yourself in order to do so, there's practically an infinite number of ways to do it. There's simply no way to protect against it.

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Wonder why New Orleans was the target if he had to drive from Houston?

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Another terrorist scouted it and reported back to their leader it was a prime location due to the bollards being removed.

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NO party scene is known for its debauchery, I'm sure that had something to do with it.

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Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.

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Or figure out every possible way or bottleneck they might use to attack.

The only thing that could even somewhat blunt it is a special elimination group -- where if it is somehow known in advance that a given one is going to try something, they are just canceled rather than waiting. Of course none of that would be legally valid, but it would be a way if that is the govt's in question's focus.

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When you just want to indiscriminately kill people and are willing to die yourself in order to do so, there's practically an infinite number of ways to do it. There's simply no way to protect against it.

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Correct. That's why being simply disposed of before (if it is known) is likely the only way. Again, not legally practical, but can think of scenarios where wouldn't mind if learned later it had occurred.

****ing jihads

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I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.

But bad guys are going to do bad things.

We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.

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Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.

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Exactly.

In England they effectively banned guns, and *shockingly*, now they have a knife-attack problem.

Bad people do bad things. It's unfortunately the way it is.

You mean cancel the event right? Not alluding to using the pre-crime AI software that companies like Palantir are working on. That crap sounds dystopian as hell.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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GAC06 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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nortex97 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.

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You mean cancel the event right? Not alluding to using the pre-crime AI software that companies like Palantir are working on. That crap sounds dystopian as hell.

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No, meant something much simpler. If the intel knew J was going to commit said act of terror, plug him. Like said, not anything legally viable. No as facny as some evil "predictor". Talking more classic Mossad "knowing" and acting like they might.

As said, there is no real solution. You can only mitigate, and even that extreme would only work if you knew in advance. (But it seems they sometimes do)

It would be easy for them to kill a lot of people, without a dirty bomb, without explosives, and it matters not about any barriers. First off, these vermin are willing to die for their cause. They could get 6 or so of them in a vehicle like a large SUV, three or four SUVs, each person with several 30 round magazines, wait for the exits to fill after a game and shoot hundreds or maybe a thousand in less than a minute. With the exits full of people, there is nowhere for them to go once the shooting starts. A lot of stadiums have fairly busy roads nearby, they could pull over at the right time, do their shooting, and drive off.

In addition to purging the illegals who have crossed the border in the past five or so years, the harsh reality is that we need no presence of Islam in this country. Close the mosques, make this a place they do not want to live. In the end, no Islam > any Islam, however few.

GAC06 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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JCA1 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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nortex97 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.

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Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?

One safe place is correct. We have made it way too welcoming for them. Like fools the American piggies have invited the wolves over for dinner and now everyone acts surprised when something like this happens. We should expect it. There's no place they congregate on earth where this does not happen.

That kind of event happening even a few times would indeed warrant a 1492 Ferdinand-Isabella like general expulsion. There are tipping points where powers have concluded a group is so prone to violence and unrest that they need to expel them. But its also important to not over-magnify that. There seems little sign we are at such a place, though it does seem true for England and Germany. And maybe the issue is just a difference in time and numbers. Its a difficult question.

I generally agree with that. But it's kind of hard to expel people born in Beaumont.

There is an easy answer for the immigrants and now that Trump is President we can as a country have a sane conversation about that. But that doesn't solve the millions of Muslims that were born here. Remember the Ft Hood cat was born here too.

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GAC06 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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GAC06 said:

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JCA1 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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nortex97 said:

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.

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Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?

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I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?

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I generally agree with that. But it's kind of hard to expel people born in Beaumont.

There is an easy answer for the immigrants and now that Trump is President we can as a country have a sane conversation about that. But that doesn't solve the millions of Muslims that were born here. Remember the Ft Hood cat was born here too.

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Oh, true. That is what makes it thorny. What was actually talking about was one safe's post --- that kind of thing going on would rate even the expulsion of those born by Britain, and that too, has happened in history. And certainly the removal of those agitators stirring those up (a shortcut that is less drastic). This is not something to advocate for, just something that may eventuate if such extremes reached.

What's the "easy answer for immigrants" by the way?

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I generally agree with that. But it's kind of hard to expel people born in Beaumont.

There is an easy answer for the immigrants and now that Trump is President we can as a country have a sane conversation about that. But that doesn't solve the millions of Muslims that were born here. Remember the Ft Hood cat was born here too.

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The easy solution is anyone who immigrated past some time - like 1900 - is deported in EO #1. We really are in a place where there's no other choice.

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.

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Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?

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I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?

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That analogy doesn't work. There are unique and terrible outcomes if a nuclear facility is attacked that don't apply to other locations. In short, you're protecting for a unique and significant danger.

Bourbon is not unique for the purposes we're discussing here (a crowd of people vulnerable to being run over). That exact same thing can be found all over town.

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They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.

These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.

They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.

The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025

('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.

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Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).

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The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.

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Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?

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This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.

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Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.

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That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.

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Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?

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I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?

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Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.