Conservatives who defied Trump say the debt limit should not be dealt with here

Eric Burlison: “I love Donald Trump, but he didn't vote me into office. My district did."

Burlison: “I'm not afraid of a shutdown,

“This just stinks,” Tim Burchett said of the deal. pic.twitter.com/no5nz1HN4A

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 20, 2024

Ag with kids said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Tea Party said:

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Teslag said:

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Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

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Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.

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He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...

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So we should give the Dems what they want? They are not budging unless we do. You were against the shutdown before because you said the election was at stake. The election is no longer at stake. It seems you are really just against a shutdown.

I would leave it shut down until the Dems cry uncle.

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They won't.

BUT the PEOPLE will make the GOP cry uncle.

Stop thinking tactical battles as start thinking strategically.

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The people won't remember it. COVID was draconian tyranny by the left and it didn't make the top 50 as far as reasons people voted against Harris.

Giving the Dems what they want is not strategic and they will never agree to any spending cuts unless forced to.

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I call bull*****

The IMMEDIATE response to the shutdown was BAD. And they DID remember it.

BTW, this bill is giving TRUMP what he wants...

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Call whatever you want. They won't remember in two years. WGAS about the immediate reaction. Completely irrelevant!

Uh, as far as the Dems, they do control the Senate, You will have to give them what they want to get it through the Senate. You do understand that, right?! Even if the Freeedom Caucus all voted yes, the Dems are in control.

Trump would have been just fine with the original bill being passed, which would have given the Dems what they wanted. That's the only way to avoid a shutdown!

Your strategy is: avoid a shutdown! That's a strategy all right; a strategy of appeasement.

We are about to find out what government agencies are really needed.

DOGE activated

Pull the switch

It's going to hurt so good.

A better strategy is to pass a clean bill, pass it and dare the democratic senate to not pass it.

If it passes, great.

If the govt shuts down a couple weeks, so what. You get both chambers and can pass what you want.

Trump and the magas are being stupid on this.

Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

The people being stupid are the ones who don't understand the current state of the debt ceiling at this moment…

Let me help you…there isn't one…

Who?mikejones! said:

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A better strategy is to pass a clean bill, pass it and dare the democratic senate to not pass it.

If it passes, great.

If the govt shuts down a couple weeks, so what. You get both chambers and can pass what you want.

Trump and the magas are being stupid on this.

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The Senate Dems can filibuster it once the Rs take the Senate. It won't matter if the Rs have control. This stuff is not being passed via reconciliation. Discretionary spending is never subject to reconciliation from what I've seen.

Dan Scott said:

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Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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This shows how uninformed so many of you are…as of this moment, there IS NO DEBT CEILING…

What he's trying to do is extend the current state of things so he can implement his agenda without being hamstrung by Congress…

Folks need to stop throwing out talking points and actually take the time to understand the current state of affairs…

Anyone claiming "Trump wants to increase the debt ceiling" clearly have zero clue about where the debt ceiling stands today…

Again…as of today, THERE ISN'T ONE…

FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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This shows how uninformed so many of you are…as of this moment, there IS NO DEBT CEILING…

What he's trying to do is extend the current state of things so he can implement his agenda without being hamstrung by Congress…

Folks need to stop throwing out talking points and actually take the time to understand the current state of affairs…

Anyone claiming "Trump wants to increase the debt ceiling" clearly have zero clue about where the debt ceiling stands today…

Again…as of today, THERE ISN'T ONE…

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So Trump wants to extend an imaginary debt ceiling?

FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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This shows how uninformed so many of you are…as of this moment, there IS NO DEBT CEILING…

What he's trying to do is extend the current state of things so he can implement his agenda without being hamstrung by Congress…

Folks need to stop throwing out talking points and actually take the time to understand the current state of affairs…

Anyone claiming "Trump wants to increase the debt ceiling" clearly have zero clue about where the debt ceiling stands today…

Again…as of today, THERE ISN'T ONE…

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Just because it is suspended doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is still a thing. And increasing it to infinity via suspension IS increasing it.

No…he wants to extend the "there is not debt ceiling" for two years so he can implement his agenda…

Again, the debt ceiling is currently suspended…there isn't one…

Shocking how so many people don't understand this…

The debt ceiling and an annual balanced budget have a lot on common; Congress does not pay attention to either.

Yeah it's suspended until January 1. He wants to increase it to $40T or extend it. It's the same overall result.

Logos Stick said:

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FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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This shows how uninformed so many of you are…as of this moment, there IS NO DEBT CEILING…

What he's trying to do is extend the current state of things so he can implement his agenda without being hamstrung by Congress…

Folks need to stop throwing out talking points and actually take the time to understand the current state of affairs…

Anyone claiming "Trump wants to increase the debt ceiling" clearly have zero clue about where the debt ceiling stands today…

Again…as of today, THERE ISN'T ONE…

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Just because it is suspended doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is still a thing. And increasing it to infinity via suspension IS increasing it.

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Wrong…if it's suspended, it doesn't exist…

The suspension is set to expire in January…

If it expires, it is going to be damn near impossible for Trump to make good on many of his election promises…

So many of y'all just don't get it…

Congress, with both houses, can STILL pass a budget with cost slashing in March…nothing stops that…and they can slash the budget to offset what Trump needs to spend to fix things like the border and round-up/deport the illegals…

I'm as fiscally conservative as they come, and all else being equal, I'd be happy to let the government shutdown…absolutely…

But this fight isn't about a shutdown…it's about having the room to maneuver financially to implement his policies on day 1…

FireAg said:

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No…he wants to extend the "there is not debt ceiling" for two years so he can implement his agenda…

Again, the debt ceiling is currently suspended…there isn't one…

Shocking how so many people don't understand this…

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Oh, we're aware. It's an admission that there is absolutely no interest in addressing the real financial problems we're facing. We elected a liberal who wants to do liberal things, just a little bit different than the liberals who were in before. I hope you like your inflation, cause you're going to get to keep it.

If 100% of Republicans are voting for a simple clean bill that funds the govt as is, and the dems filibuster it, it'll be on them without any defense.

I'm on board for that fight

Yeah so going back to my post. He's desperate to extend it/increase it.

Does it make you feel better if I stop using the term increase?

Dan Scott said:

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Yeah it's suspended until January 1. He wants to increase it to $40T or extend it. It's the same overall result.

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Not if an R congress comes back in March and passes sweeping cuts in other places…

That can all STILL HAPPEN, even if you extended the debt ceiling suspension by 2 years…

If you want Trump to enact his policies, he's going to need the budgetary flexibility on day 1 to get started…if he doesn't have it, then we might as well just throw away everything he campaigned on right now and make him a lame duck…

We are cutting off our noses to spite our face currently…

Phatbob said:

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FireAg said:

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No…he wants to extend the "there is not debt ceiling" for two years so he can implement his agenda…

Again, the debt ceiling is currently suspended…there isn't one…

Shocking how so many people don't understand this…

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Oh, we're aware. It's an admission that there is absolutely no interest in addressing the real financial problems we're facing. We elected a liberal who wants to do liberal things, just a little bit different than the liberals who were in before. I hope you like your inflation, cause you're going to get to keep it.

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Do you want him to fix the border and address immigration or not?

It's that simple…

Lol. What a false choice

FireAg said:

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Logos Stick said:

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FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Trump is desperate to increase the debt ceiling.

Congress must get rid of, or extend out to, perhaps, 2029, the ridiculous Debt Ceiling. Without this, we should never make a deal. Remember, the pressure is on whoever is President.

Donald Trump Truth Social 01:16 AM EST 12/20/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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This shows how uninformed so many of you are…as of this moment, there IS NO DEBT CEILING…

What he's trying to do is extend the current state of things so he can implement his agenda without being hamstrung by Congress…

Folks need to stop throwing out talking points and actually take the time to understand the current state of affairs…

Anyone claiming "Trump wants to increase the debt ceiling" clearly have zero clue about where the debt ceiling stands today…

Again…as of today, THERE ISN'T ONE…

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Just because it is suspended doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is still a thing. And increasing it to infinity via suspension IS increasing it.

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Wrong…if it's suspended, it doesn't exist…

The suspension is set to expire in January…

If it expires, it is going to be damn near impossible for Trump to make good on many of his election promises…

So many of y'all just don't get it…

Congress, with both houses, can STILL pass a budget with cost slashing in March…nothing stops that…and they can slash the budget to offset what Trump needs to spend to fix things like the border and round-up/deport the illegals…

I'm as fiscally conservative as they come, and all else being equal, I'd be happy to let the government shutdown…absolutely…

But this fight isn't about a shutdown…it's about having the room to maneuver financially to implement his policies on day 1…

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I am right. It's a distinction without difference.

You're naive. The Dems are not going to agree to anything right now that doesn't give them what they want, including a bunch of non-spending legislation that was in that original omnibus. The Dems are also not going to agree to continue with the debt limit suspension without major concessions!

Who?mikejones! said:

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If 100% of Republicans are voting for a simple clean bill that funds the govt as is, and the dems filibuster it, it'll be on them without any defense.

I'm on board for that fight

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They don't have to filibuster right now. They simply wont bring it for a vote. But even after the Rs get full control in the Senate next year, the Dems will filibuster it at that point. To avoid a shutdown, you have to appease the Dems, now and in the future. Period!

Dan Scott said:

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Yeah so going back to my post. He's desperate to extend it/increase it.

Does it make you feel better if I stop using the term increase?

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It would at least be accurate…at present, there is nothing to increase as the current limit is "infinity"…

Who?mikejones! said:

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If 100% of Republicans are voting for a simple clean bill that funds the govt as is, and the dems filibuster it, it'll be on them without any defense.

I'm on board for that fight

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Yes, but unlike Democrats, Republicans almost never vote in lock-step. At least a few of them try to represent their constituents, which may be more liberal than we like. Collins, for example.

FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Yeah it's suspended until January 1. He wants to increase it to $40T or extend it. It's the same overall result.

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Not if an R congress comes back in March and passes sweeping cuts in other places…

That can all STILL HAPPEN, even if you extended the debt ceiling suspension by 2 years…

If you want Trump to enact his policies, he's going to need the budgetary flexibility on day 1 to get started…if he doesn't have it, then we might as well just throw away everything he campaigned on right now and make him a lame duck…

We are cutting off our noses to spite our face currently…

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The Rs are not going to come back and pass sweeping spending cuts. This is almost like saying we have to pass it to see what's in it.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Lol. What a false choice

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It's okay to say you are for Trump's agenda no matter what or you're not…

Zero issue with that…

What is dishonest is to say you are for it 'with caveats'…

Dan Scott said:

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FireAg said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Yeah it's suspended until January 1. He wants to increase it to $40T or extend it. It's the same overall result.

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Not if an R congress comes back in March and passes sweeping cuts in other places…

That can all STILL HAPPEN, even if you extended the debt ceiling suspension by 2 years…

If you want Trump to enact his policies, he's going to need the budgetary flexibility on day 1 to get started…if he doesn't have it, then we might as well just throw away everything he campaigned on right now and make him a lame duck…

We are cutting off our noses to spite our face currently…

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The Rs are not going to come back and pass sweeping spending cuts. This is almost like saying we have to pass it to see what's in it.

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It's unwise to speak in absolutes…

Yeah, I know. I'm saying shut it down until the new congress is sat and then put a clean bill put there and let the dems shoot ot down

Also unwise to believe a politician is going to cut spending…

Who?mikejones! said:

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Yeah, I know. I'm saying shut it down until the new congress is sat and then put a clean bill put there and let the dems shoot ot down

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OK. If the goal is to get it to the Senate, then here is the plan...

Offset the spending increase with $110 billion of cuts elsewhere and drop the debt ceiling suspension request.

That's what it takes to get 100% R votes. It's not going to pass the Senate anyway. That gets it to the Senate.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Yeah, I know. I'm saying shut it down until the new congress is sat and then put a clean bill put there and let the dems shoot ot down

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And all of that is fine as long as you accept that it handcuffs the Trump agenda to fix the things (like immigration) that he was elected to fix…

You can't have it both ways…

Now, if you say you are only for fixing the border/immigration "as long as" it doesn't increase the debt, then that is a fair thing to say…that needs to be your stance…

It's ideological, and not realistic, but if that's your stance, then it is at least honest…

Congress failed again in its responsibility to fund the government on time.

While the most egregious items were taken out of the original CR, I cannot support the negotiated deal that raises the debt by $4 trillion rather than making the cuts necessary to rein in government…

— Rep. Keith Self (@RepKeithSelf) December 19, 2024

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Do you want him to fix the border and address immigration or not?

It's that simple…

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Yes. Cut spending somewhere to finance it. Should be simple enough, or is DOGE just a shell game? What's the point of it if it isn't going to cut spending?

Dan Scott said:

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Also unwise to believe a politician is going to cut spending…

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You continue to miss the point…

He can't cut spending AND implement his agenda…

He needs the financial room to implement his agenda and then Congress needs to cut spending in March…

Will they? Look, it's fair to believe they won't…. I have zero issue with that stance…precedent supports that stance…

But then it stands to reason that they will never cut spending no matter what, and if that's the case, and you don't give Trump the fiscal room necessary to implement his agenda, then his campaign promises, and presidency in general, are already DOA…

Daddy-O5 said:

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Congress failed again in its responsibility to fund the government on time.

While the most egregious items were taken out of the original CR, I cannot support the negotiated deal that raises the debt by $4 trillion rather than making the cuts necessary to rein in government…

— Rep. Keith Self (@RepKeithSelf) December 19, 2024

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Absolutely dishonest tweet…

He's using talking points and not facts…

Again…there is nothing to raise until Jan 1…