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🚨 REPORT: Senator Josh Hawley responds to whether Trump has been expressing frustration with Speaker Mike Johnson - CBS

"Yes, yes he did."

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— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 19, 2024

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Remember this morning when Tesla told us Johnson was just doing Trump's bidding and the rest of us on planet earth raised an eyebrow at another Tesla definitive assertion?

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And it's still true. Johnson will do whatever Trump wants him too.

And he will remain speaker in 2025.

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So Johnson wrote a bill, as directed by Trump, then embarrassed himself because Trump then told him to kill it? That's essentially what you've been saying about all this.

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And Johnson is still holding in that piss because he can't piss without Trump telling him to.

You would think that poster would eat some humble pie and admit that they don't know as much as they think they do.

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BREAKING: The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) has instructed federal agencies to begin notifying their employees about procedures for a government shutdown.

Set to start at 10 AM tomorrow.

— Patrick Webb (@RealPatrickWebb) December 19, 2024

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At home for the holidays. Outstanding!

Who wants to bet?



IMO they are going to pass this (or something like it) on Friday afternoon maybe Saturday. But this will all be forgotten by Monday..........

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Lol, Johnson doesn't know what to do. He's trying to play the establishment side and the Maga side and is royally screwing it up. He needs to pick a side a run with it.

If he tries to thread the needle he is going to end up on no side and ousted.

Moron.

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Yes, Rush Limbaugh pointed out that being in the middle of the road us likely to get you run over.

It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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They absolutely should be. Americans have spoken and they are pissed.

Tea Party said:

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🚨 REPORT: Senator Josh Hawley responds to whether Trump has been expressing frustration with Speaker Mike Johnson - CBS

"Yes, yes he did."

👀 pic.twitter.com/nABknS9rL2

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 19, 2024

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Remember this morning when Tesla told us Johnson was just doing Trump's bidding and the rest of us on planet earth raised an eyebrow at another Tesla definitive assertion?

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And it's still true. Johnson will do whatever Trump wants him too.

And he will remain speaker in 2025.

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So Johnson wrote a bill, as directed by Trump, then embarrassed himself because Trump then told him to kill it? That's essentially what you've been saying about all this.

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And Johnson is still holding in that piss because he can't piss without Trump telling him to.

You would think that poster would eat some humble pie and admit that they don't know as much as they think they do.

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Why? Everything I said is still true

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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People are dumb. Just like they think Johnson isn't trumps guy.

Logos Stick said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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People are dumb. Just like they think Johnson isn't trumps guy.

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Ironic.

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Yet I'll continue to be right. And you'll just stomp around wondering why.

Trump leads the charge to eliminate the debt ceiling

TRUMP doesn’t want to just lift the debt ceiling- he’s keen to get rid of it, telling me in a phone interview “The Democrats have said they want to get rid of it. If they want to get rid of it, I would lead the charge.”

He sees it as a fake thing. No real value re: debt control

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) December 19, 2024

Does he still have confidence in @SpeakerJohnson? Maybe…

“We'll see. What they had yesterday was unacceptable," he told me, referring to the Speaker's continuing resolution. "In many ways it was unacceptable. It’s a Democrat trap."

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) December 19, 2024

I mean, he's technically right but there's no way to effectively convey that to voters. Most Americans apparently believe house and senate seats switch the day after the election. Good luck explaining to these people why the concept of a debt ceiling is arbitrary and meaningless.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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True. But again you have an MIA President. So you have a President elect acting as President and really that's not happened since... Buchanan? In 1860?

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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Do you think come Jan 20th, CRs will be passed simply because they have both chambers?! The filibuster is still a thing.

Yes, it is very different. The Rs won. The argument that you can't shut the government down for fear of losing the presidential election is moot. Pass what you want and shut it down if Dems refuse to comply.

I'd put the disaster relief and farm subsidies in a separate bill and force a vote on it too.

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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Do you think come Jan 20th, CRs will be passed simply because they have both chambers?! The filibuster is still a thing.

Yes, it is very different. The Rs won. The argument that you can't shut the government down for fear of losing the presidential election is moot. Pass what you want and shut it down if Dems refuse to comply.

I'd put the disaster relief and farm subsidies in a separate bill and force a vote on it too.

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Exactly...they really need to implement single subject bills. The argument that it will waste time and take too long...should be a feature and not a bug. It ensures the highest priority SINGLE issues are dealt with first and push all secondary items back.

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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Do you think come Jan 20th, CRs will be passed simply because they have both chambers?! The filibuster is still a thing.

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This isn't about what I think at all

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Yes, it is very different. The Rs won. The argument that you can't shut the government down for fear of losing the presidential election is moot. Pass what you want and shut it down if Dems refuse to comply.

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The argument was never simply "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election". It was "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election, and also because of these 347 other devastating direct and indirect consequences to the American people". And now you can add to that "because it sets the Trump administration up for failure right off the bat".

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The argument was never simply "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election". It was "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election, and also because of these 347 other devastating direct and indirect consequences to the American people". And now you can add to that "because it sets the Trump administration up for failure right off the bat".

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You obviously haven't been paying attention. That's exactly what the argument was. Shutting down the government is not setting Trump up for failure at all. Passing crap bills like this omnibus is setting the admin up for failure!

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The argument was never simply "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election". It was "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election, and also because of these 347 other devastating direct and indirect consequences to the American people". And now you can add to that "because it sets the Trump administration up for failure right off the bat".

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You obviously haven't been paying attention. That's exactly what the argument was. Shutting down the government is not setting Trump up for failure at all. Passing crap bills like this omnibus is setting the admin up for failure!

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Historically a president has the first 6-9 months of a term to set the narrative regarding his administration barring a historically unique event later on. Plaguing the first several months with the financial, social and political fallout of a government shutdown is asking him to start the drive at 1st and 20.

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Trump leads the charge to eliminate the debt ceiling

TRUMP doesn’t want to just lift the debt ceiling- he’s keen to get rid of it, telling me in a phone interview “The Democrats have said they want to get rid of it. If they want to get rid of it, I would lead the charge.”

He sees it as a fake thing. No real value re: debt control

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) December 19, 2024

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I agree with President-elect Trump that Congress should terminate the debt limit and never again govern by hostage taking.

— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) December 19, 2024

WTF is going on, the past 24 hours have been crazy.

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It's shocking how many people seem to think things are different legislatively on December 19th than they were on November 1st. Not just here but all over social media. I had no idea how many Americans apparently believe this.

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People are dumb. Just like they think Johnson isn't trumps guy.

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Ironic.

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Yet I'll continue to be right. And you'll just stomp around wondering why.

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You think you're seldomly wrong because you just lie when confronted. For example, yesterday I asked if you were the one that ratted out others for not taking the vaccine. You replied "that is incorrect". I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but then went back and found the thread…where you bragged about ratting people out for not taking the vaccine. At least be a man and be honest when you're wrong. Which is much more often than you seem to think.

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This is a lie. Show me where I said I "ratted people out" and I'll leave this board for good.

Though I am guessing you'll link a thread about me telling HR what to identify on a card. Which is typical of this board outright lying about my positions and history.

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The argument was never simply "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election". It was "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election, and also because of these 347 other devastating direct and indirect consequences to the American people". And now you can add to that "because it sets the Trump administration up for failure right off the bat".

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You obviously haven't been paying attention. That's exactly what the argument was. Shutting down the government is not setting Trump up for failure at all. Passing crap bills like this omnibus is setting the admin up for failure!

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Historically a president has the first 6-9 months of a term to set the narrative regarding his administration barring a historically unique event later on. Plaguing the first several months with the financial, social and political fallout of a government shutdown is asking him to start the drive at 1st and 20.

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Newt disagrees, as do I:

President Trump and Republicans should not be afraid of a government shutdown. The next election is two years away . We had two shutdowns in 1995 and became the first reelected house gop majority since 1928. It may take shock therapy for schumer and democrats to learn President…

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) December 19, 2024

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I think my work here is done. Cling to your semantics, but this board knows the truth.

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Semantics = "I got busted lying about your history and got called on it"

I feel like I've been following this more than any other time in my life and thought Mike Johnson was lock step with trump and the new mandate. I'm shocked honestly.

Simply, I why didn't Johnson push a clean bill? If the dems reject it, they are the bad guys. Gov shuts down until they comply. Now the narrative has change that GOP doesn't have their **** together.


What a disaster. Johnson should not be leading congress next month.

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I feel like I've been following this more than any other time in my life and thought Mike Johnson was lock step with trump and the new mandate. I'm shocked honestly.

Simply, I why didn't Johnson push a clean bill? If the dems reject it, they are the bad guys. Gov shuts down until they comply. Now the narrative has change that GOP doesn't have their **** together.


What a disaster. Johnson should not be leading congress next month.

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This is what I've been wondering. Why not push a clean bill in the first place? All he's done is make a mess of the whole thing when it was easily avoidable.

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Logos Stick said:

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The argument was never simply "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election". It was "you can't shut the government down because you will lose the election, and also because of these 347 other devastating direct and indirect consequences to the American people". And now you can add to that "because it sets the Trump administration up for failure right off the bat".

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You obviously haven't been paying attention. That's exactly what the argument was. Shutting down the government is not setting Trump up for failure at all. Passing crap bills like this omnibus is setting the admin up for failure!

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Historically a president has the first 6-9 months of a term to set the narrative regarding his administration barring a historically unique event later on. Plaguing the first several months with the financial, social and political fallout of a government shutdown is asking him to start the drive at 1st and 20.

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Newt disagrees, as do I:

President Trump and Republicans should not be afraid of a government shutdown. The next election is two years away . We had two shutdowns in 1995 and became the first reelected house gop majority since 1928. It may take shock therapy for schumer and democrats to learn President…

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) December 19, 2024

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President Trump, but Biden is president.

We will survive any temporary government "shutdown".

This is worth the fight.

Newt was the last good GOP speaker. We would probably be much farther along in this spending disaster had it not been for Newt and the GOP house keeping Clinton in check.