Johnson passing an omnibus claiming it's a CR

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Ag with kids said:

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Nonsense.

You want 100 million for cancer research then write a ****ing bill for it.

We've got to stop just throwing it in on the back of necessary bills.
Some of y'all/them have zero idea that there are strategic goals and tactical goals.

But, decide that shooting yourself in the dick will accomplish both of them...


I'm well aware. I'm just done with it. Id be happy if the govt were never to be funded again if it means attaching a bunch of ancillary items to get a bill passed.

I'm with massie on this. Stop putting pork on the back of bills like the CR. You want a pet project to get funded, make a bill for it or at least attach it to a more appropriate bill than something that's just meant to fund existing obligations.

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Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
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Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...


So we should give the Dems what they want? They are not budging unless we do. You were against the shutdown before because you said the election was at stake. The election is no longer at stake. It seems you are really just against a shutdown.

I would leave it shut down until the Dems cry uncle.
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Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
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Guess interstates are gonna be shut down.
Or the tsa and Air traffic controllers aren't gonna be deemed essential
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Shutdown is not what it seems






Quick story about govt. shutdowns and the theatrics behind them. One year when I was reporting at CBS News during a govt. shutdown, I think 2013, we were sincerely searching for real life impact. When we couldn't find any, *that* should have been part of the story. Instead, we kept trying to create the appearance of an impact. It wasn't really trying to be dishonest. It was, in my retrospective view, because the general editorial idea for the story was to show how bad the "Republican" shutdown was for ordinary Americans, and the answer simply couldn't be that it wasn't. I've written quite a bit about this but we, as journalists, too often "decide" the story in advance and shape the facts to fit our narrative, rather than gathering information and letting that tell the story, whatever it may be. Anyway, the Ds were blaming Rs for the shutdown, so we were calling Ds and the Obama administration for ideas to report what was the real impact. Taking our cue, these officials fabricated impact that we could report. For example, they cordoned off outdoor public monuments in Washington DC. We knew and even discussed in the newsroom that this made no sense. These monuments weren't "manned" to begin with. The only reason to cordon them off from the public was so that visiting tourists would see the "impact" of the shutdowns and the news media would have something to take pictures of and interview people about. There are other examples but this is the one I remember the most.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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YouBet said:

45-70Ag said:

Nancy mace just did an interview and said she voted it down because the same amount of money is still being appropriated to the same places as yesterday's bill was.

No clue how true that is but she was adamant the spending hasn't changed and where it's going didn't.


What were the other 1,400 pages then? Just random legalese?


That's pretty much what she said.
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Ag with kids said:

FireAg said:

I think in the grand scheme of things, the most prudent path for the Rs would have been to pass this bill…begrudgingly, but passing it would have put this on Schumer and the Senate…

Now Schumer has the upper hand here…
Yep.

Now, the BIG media story will be that the REPUBLICANS shut down the government.

And it will be easy to prove, since it was the REPUBLICANS that wouldn't pass a bill.

If they had passed this, then SCHUMER/DEMOCRATS would have had to kill it in the Senate.

Sure, the media will always show the Dems' version of the story, but at least the GOP could point to the votes and tweet them out.
WHAT BIG MEDIA???? You're still living in the past. The legacy media is dead. Sure, they'll run their stories and Muir will still start every broadcast with "bombshell tonight as Republicans shut down the government" but nobody is watching anymore.

WAKE THE F*** UP!!!!

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lol this guy

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Prosperdick said:

Ag with kids said:

FireAg said:

I think in the grand scheme of things, the most prudent path for the Rs would have been to pass this bill…begrudgingly, but passing it would have put this on Schumer and the Senate…

Now Schumer has the upper hand here…
Yep.

Now, the BIG media story will be that the REPUBLICANS shut down the government.

And it will be easy to prove, since it was the REPUBLICANS that wouldn't pass a bill.

If they had passed this, then SCHUMER/DEMOCRATS would have had to kill it in the Senate.

Sure, the media will always show the Dems' version of the story, but at least the GOP could point to the votes and tweet them out.
WHAT BIG MEDIA???? You're still living in the past. The legacy media is dead. Sure, they'll run their stories and Muir will still start every broadcast with "bombshell tonight as Republicans shut down the government" but nobody is watching anymore.

WAKE THE F*** UP!!!!




Traditional news media viewership is way down.

Like not even a million views for many stations and in the low millions for the "popular" ones.

You send mike Johnson to explain the republican side on Joe Rogan show and you instantly dwarf anything the msm could possibly do. Add in the millions of hits on X or YouTube or rumble or other podcast then the legacy media really doesn't matter. They don't get to spin anymore.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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I'm convinced.

Trump needs the debt limit increase and will give away the farm to democrats to get it. Fox News was reporting that Trump was talking about debt limit increase back in November in secret talks. He needs it.
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Dan Scott said:

lol this guy




Its funny because he also says this



From what I've read, the shorter second bill was not a clean bill meant to simply fund the govt for 3 months.

He's right though. Johnson's next move sould be to write the narrowest possible CR that includes absolutely no curve outs for any pork or language changes or other frivolous govt gobbledygook.

That would be maximum pressure.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Prosperdick said:

Ag with kids said:

FireAg said:

I think in the grand scheme of things, the most prudent path for the Rs would have been to pass this bill…begrudgingly, but passing it would have put this on Schumer and the Senate…

Now Schumer has the upper hand here…
Yep.

Now, the BIG media story will be that the REPUBLICANS shut down the government.

And it will be easy to prove, since it was the REPUBLICANS that wouldn't pass a bill.

If they had passed this, then SCHUMER/DEMOCRATS would have had to kill it in the Senate.

Sure, the media will always show the Dems' version of the story, but at least the GOP could point to the votes and tweet them out.
WHAT BIG MEDIA???? You're still living in the past. The legacy media is dead. Sure, they'll run their stories and Muir will still start every broadcast with "bombshell tonight as Republicans shut down the government" but nobody is watching anymore.

WAKE THE F*** UP!!!!




Traditional news media viewership is way down.

Like not even a million views for many stations and in the low millions for the "popular" ones.

You send mike Johnson to explain the republican side on Joe Rogan show and you instantly dwarf anything the msm could possibly do. Add in the millions of hits on X or YouTube or rumble or other podcast then the legacy media really doesn't matter. They don't get to spin anymore.
Yup, have him show how only like 17% of the government is "shut down" and all the doom and gloom on legacy media that nobody watches anymore is total BS. That's all it takes. You also could have Elon tweeting out some nice data that reaches exponentially more than anything the MSM can do and they're cooked.

Once the Republicans in Congress realize this it's GAME OVER. They can set the agenda without fear of what any legacy media tries to throw against the wall.
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Actual conservatives doing what needs to be done and the effects of electing a liberal are showing up before he's even sworn in. Trump wants to spend like a Democrat, and will attack any conservative who stands against it.
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aggiehawg said:

Is there any chance at all this was a rope a dope by Johnson. Elon, Vivek and Trump? It was a planned set-up?

ETA: Or a systems check?
This has been my hunch all along. Testing the waters, so to speak. Figure out who's onboard and who's a problem child.
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Logos Stick said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...


So we should give the Dems what they want? They are not budging unless we do. You were against the shutdown before because you said the election was at stake. The election is no longer at stake. It seems you are really just against a shutdown.

I would leave it shut down until the Dems cry uncle.
They won't.

BUT the PEOPLE will make the GOP cry uncle.

Stop thinking tactical battles as start thinking strategically.
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Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
He's ****ing pointing out what will happen as the result of a shutdown.

Wanting some kind of fantasy world where it DOESN'T happen isn't going to materialize.

If the government shuts down, everyone that was furloughed WILL get back pay.

Welcome to reality. So, now let's find solutions that actually work.
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MarkTwain said:








When did Geddy Lee cut his hair and dye it purple?
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Then put forward and simple, clean bill that funds the govt with absolutely no other language attached.
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This is all on R Speaker Johnson.

He brought the bill only a few days before the deadline.

And the bill was 1150 pages long.

This needs to change.
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Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
He's ****ing pointing out what will happen as the result of a shutdown.

Wanting some kind of fantasy world where it DOESN'T happen isn't going to materialize.

If the government shuts down, everyone that was furloughed WILL get back pay.

Welcome to reality. So, now let's find solutions that actually work.
Calm down bud. His comment was he get's a "Christmas paid vacation", then he doubled down on how he really feels about it by saying he "hopes it stays shut down for at least 30 days".

Sure, you can assume he is a die hard conservative and wants the gov shut down so good can come from it, or assume he's parroting the sheepish yet most likely scenario that we will go back to the status quo when it opens thus shutdowns are pointless.

But I'll stick with his own posting history that says he is gloating about getting his big gov bennies, even when he knows that the typical reader of this forum is negatively effected by it. Either way, I'd rather have what appears to be an immoral person gain from a shutdown than us passing either of the monsterosity CR's that we've been given. Even a clean CR is a failure in my opinion if cuts are not added to it. Strategy be damned.
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Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
you do understand that in private business, when shutdowns occur folks are forced to use their PTO , not cancel it knowing they will get paid for the time off, right?
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Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
He's ****ing pointing out what will happen as the result of a shutdown.

Wanting some kind of fantasy world where it DOESN'T happen isn't going to materialize.

If the government shuts down, everyone that was furloughed WILL get back pay.

Welcome to reality. So, now let's find solutions that actually work.


You are right. Let's stop paying back pay for furlouhed workers. Pay them for PTO, and vacation, period. Shut it down, and see how we function with locally controlled schools and all those alphabet agencies losing control of our lives.
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Ag with kids said:

Logos Stick said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...


So we should give the Dems what they want? They are not budging unless we do. You were against the shutdown before because you said the election was at stake. The election is no longer at stake. It seems you are really just against a shutdown.

I would leave it shut down until the Dems cry uncle.
They won't.

BUT the PEOPLE will make the GOP cry uncle.

Stop thinking tactical battles as start thinking strategically.


The people won't remember it. COVID was draconian tyranny by the left and it didn't make the top 50 as far as reasons people voted against Harris.

Giving the Dems what they want is not strategic and they will never agree to any spending cuts unless forced to.
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Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
He's ****ing pointing out what will happen as the result of a shutdown.

Wanting some kind of fantasy world where it DOESN'T happen isn't going to materialize.

If the government shuts down, everyone that was furloughed WILL get back pay.

Welcome to reality. So, now let's find solutions that actually work.
Calm down bud. His comment was he get's a "Christmas paid vacation", then he doubled down on how he really feels about it by saying he "hopes it stays shut down for at least 30 days".

Sure, you can assume he is a die hard conservative and wants the gov shut down so good can come from it, or assume he's parroting the sheepish yet most likely scenario that we will go back to the status quo when it opens thus shutdowns are pointless.

But I'll stick with his own posting history that says he is gloating about getting his big gov bennies, even when he knows that the typical reader of this forum is negatively effected by it. Either way, I'd rather have what appears to be an immoral person gain from a shutdown than us passing either of the monsterosity CR's that we've been given. Even a clean CR is a failure in my opinion if cuts are not added to it. Strategy be damned.
You sound like the media when they don't understand sarcasm when Trump/Vance do it...
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Who?mikejones! said:

Then put forward and simple, clean bill that funds the govt with absolutely no other language attached.
Trump ALSO wants the debt ceiling raised. (there is a reason for this STRATEGICALLY)

Johnson tried to get that through.

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Tough ****, trump.
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AgDad121619 said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
you do understand that in private business, when shutdowns occur folks are forced to use their PTO , not cancel it knowing they will get paid for the time off, right?
Yes.

And he's pointing out to all of you that are wanting the shutdown that he WILL NOT lose any PTO during it.

He's pointing out a fact. You're wanting an idealized view of how it SHOULD be.

I agree with you that if the government shuts down then the people that are furloughed have to burn PTO.

I also understand that THAT situation will NOT be reality.
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taxpreparer said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...
A shutdown when the most likely alternatives are big spending status quo or bigger spending is never a stupid idea. The stupid idea is paying federal employees backpay after their "Christmas paid vacation".

And no, he's gloating about being "right" and getting more of his big gov benefits.
He's ****ing pointing out what will happen as the result of a shutdown.

Wanting some kind of fantasy world where it DOESN'T happen isn't going to materialize.

If the government shuts down, everyone that was furloughed WILL get back pay.

Welcome to reality. So, now let's find solutions that actually work.


You are right. Let's stop paying back pay for furlouhed workers. Pay them for PTO, and vacation, period. Shut it down, and see how we function with locally controlled schools and all those alphabet agencies losing control of our lives.
I agree.

That's how it SHOULD be.

That is not how it WILL be.

Perhaps in the FUTURE we can fix that, but that is not going to happen now.

Eat the elephant one bite at a time. But don't start with the entire left leg as your first bite.
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You cannot eat the elephant one bite at a time with Democrats. First, they will agree to the compromise; then they will demand you compromise by giving them some of your portion. Then they will demand a new compromise to get more of your portion.

The Republicans need to go scorched earth and do it the right way, not the convenient way. For once, the Republicans need to act like democrats, and tell the democrats to shut up and sit down.
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Logos Stick said:

Ag with kids said:

Logos Stick said:

Ag with kids said:

Tea Party said:

Teslag said:

Me too. As a federal employee I get a Christmas paid vacation

Ethics and morals are lost on some people. Disgusting.
He's pointing out how stupid the shutdown is...

Since it won't accomplish what many of y'all think it will...


So we should give the Dems what they want? They are not budging unless we do. You were against the shutdown before because you said the election was at stake. The election is no longer at stake. It seems you are really just against a shutdown.

I would leave it shut down until the Dems cry uncle.
They won't.

BUT the PEOPLE will make the GOP cry uncle.

Stop thinking tactical battles as start thinking strategically.


The people won't remember it. COVID was draconian tyranny by the left and it didn't make the top 50 as far as reasons people voted against Harris.

Giving the Dems what they want is not strategic and they will never agree to any spending cuts unless forced to.
I call bull*****

The IMMEDIATE response to the shutdown was BAD. And they DID remember it.

BTW, this bill is giving TRUMP what he wants...
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Oh, and Trump is not now, nor has he ever been a conservative. He is an American loving populist, and not afraid to spend money. The best we can hope for is he sets the stage for a series of more conservative presidents following his term.
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Infuriating. Johnson is just a follower. Get the **** out.
 
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