Johnson passing an omnibus claiming it's a CR

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Logos Stick said:

lol Johnson weighs in. They are obviously not able to vote on farm subsidies and hurricane relief in a separate bill /sarc:



Johnson should not be the SOTH. He clearly is not advancing a conservative agenda and thinks all of us are emotional peasants he can misdirect.
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No confusion with Rand.

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One of my favorites
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Tea Party said:

Logos Stick said:

lol Johnson weighs in. They are obviously not able to vote on farm subsidies and hurricane relief in a separate bill /sarc:



Johnson should not be the SOTH. He clearly is not advancing a conservative agenda and thinks all of us are emotional peasants he can misdirect.



He's a lying POS. He's using left wing talking points to try to get this across the line. Same guy who broke the tie on the FISA spying.

Looks like the Dems will push it across for him:

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FobTies said:

No confusion with Rand.


Yes, do a filibuster if necessary.
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I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.
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Trump has lost control of his son:

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How many CRs is that now under Johnson? I think 4

They always give themselves 3 months and wait until the last couple days then give themselves another 3 months.

If Trump and the Rs are serious, this is how you set the tone for the next 4 years. Not the same old crap.
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YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
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Teslag said:

Welloiledmachine04 said:

Teslag said:

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olarmy96 said:

Where were you during the last government shutdown?

No one remembers.

I think 80% functions on autopilot, so there's hardly any impact.

If DOGE is serious about cutting bureaucracy, it seems like shutting down 20% of the government would be a good way to demonstrate reducing government is no big deal.
And everyone gets paid eventually. Even those who get a (temporarily) unpaid vacation. They get full pay for the time they don't work and it doesn't count against their vacation.

Yep, as a federal employee (USACE) I'd love a good long shutdown over Christmas so I don't have to use any PTO and still get paid.
With the number of posts on Texags during working hours, it seems like certain govt employees get paid to not work anyway, so shut it down! - so excited and ready for DOGE.


I do about 2 to 3 hours of real work a day. And that will never change until I retire from the Corps.
I 100% believe this statement.
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Such BS.

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There is not much doubt DC is the most corrupt major government and immune from accountability in the world today.
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jrdaustin said:

I don't understand why Johnson doesn't man up with a bait & switch, and indroduce a 20 page, clean CR that freezes all spending at current rates for the next 90 days. Do it this afternoon.

Then let the Dems all vote against it and FOR the shutdown.

Then we'd see all hell break loose, 100% due to the Dems.
This is the way.
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Musk firing missiles:

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Everybody gives crap to senate leaders but Johnson is the real snake. Theirs a bill Ted Cruz sponsored with bipartisan support in the Senate to take down revenge porn images. Johnson refuses to bring it for a vote because of his tech buddies.
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Infuriating. This alone should be enough for every Republican to vote to kill it.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.
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titan said:


There is not much doubt DC is the most corrupt major government and immune from accountability in the world today.
So much for separation of powers and co-equal branches of government. A bunch of Constitutional nincompoops.
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It's tiring to see the Speaker play the victim card.

He could have made sure this was a clean CR with only the hurricane relief and farm additions. Those could have been offset with claw back of unspent COVID money, ANWR oil lease sales mandate, etc.

If Senate Dems or the alleged POTUS stop it, then the shutdown is on them.
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titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-congress-amend-004113632.html

Considering McCain had been dead for 2 years, not sure how you can blame him for stuff like that ^
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titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.
He also has never advocated for spending cuts. You can't say the evidence that we do have is irrelevant so we have to go with evidence of the opposite that doesn't exist.
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I'm in Johnson's district. Have met him several times and voted for him twice.

He's simply not cut out for this job.
“A drunkard’s dream if I ever did see one”
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BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-congress-amend-004113632.html

Considering McCain had been dead for 2 years, not sure how you can blame him for stuff like that ^

That's during the Covid crisis and not really representative. And McCain and company was a group mindset, and was not just him. Kinzinger is the type. This is still not any kind of argument for laying down for this now after Nov 5.
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Ag87H2O said:

Infuriating. This alone should be enough for every Republican to vote to kill it.
So much for nobody is above the law. They are voting for putting themselves above the criminal laws by doing this. This goes waaaaay beyond the speech and debate clause protections. Which I would argue should only be restricted to actually what is said within the well and on the floor. Not when they spout off on some Sunday show.
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Phatbob said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.
He also has never advocated for spending cuts. You can't say the evidence that we do have is irrelevant so we have to go with evidence of the opposite that doesn't exist.
True, will grant that. But this isn't about mere spending cuts or not -- its about using Omnibus bills that the public doesn't get to have time to put a stop sign for. THAT needs to end. Its part of the reform mandate as Elon and Vivek are reminding.
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titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.
He also witnessed what the spending the last 4 years (and to be fair, most of his first term) has done to the debt where the interest is going to be the largest item of spending.

He's now taking advice from Elon and Vivek instead of Paul Ryan. Talk about a 180 shift.
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titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-congress-amend-004113632.html

Considering McCain had been dead for 2 years, not sure how you can blame him for stuff like that ^

That's during the Covid crisis and not really representative. And McCain and company was a group mindset, and was not just him. Kinzinger is the type. This is still not any kind of argument for laying down for this now after Nov 5.


My point is that Trump fought for increases to 2nd and 3rd stimulus checks. Congress was willing to pass less.

Trump fought for increases to defense (it increased 20% in his term).

He swore to never touch entitlements.

Also Kinzinger is many negative things but he voted against the IRA and American Rescue Plan. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about on who is fiscally conservative and who isn't.
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Honest question. So what if the government shuts down?
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BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-congress-amend-004113632.html

Considering McCain had been dead for 2 years, not sure how you can blame him for stuff like that ^

That's during the Covid crisis and not really representative. And McCain and company was a group mindset, and was not just him. Kinzinger is the type. This is still not any kind of argument for laying down for this now after Nov 5.


My point is that Trump fought for increases to 2nd and 3rd stimulus checks. Congress was willing to pass less.

Trump fought for increases to defense (it increased 20% in his term).

He swore to never touch entitlements.

Also Kinzinger is many negative things but he voted against the IRA and American Rescue Plan. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about on who is fiscally conservative and who isn't.
Not talking about fiscally conservative. Talking about abuse of Omnibus and massive scale comprehensive bills. I am not that type of conservative --- I understand your point, its just not what focused on.

And the stimulus checks may have been necessary --- the Covid this was an absolute trainwreck. The rich media and political class had no way of knowing how much even 2 k checks could be helpful at times then
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Dave Robicheaux said:

Honest question. So what if the government shuts down?
Honest answer...nothing. Well, you won't be able to visit National Parks and I think that just about covers it.
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titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-congress-amend-004113632.html

Considering McCain had been dead for 2 years, not sure how you can blame him for stuff like that ^

That's during the Covid crisis and not really representative. And McCain and company was a group mindset, and was not just him. Kinzinger is the type. This is still not any kind of argument for laying down for this now after Nov 5.


My point is that Trump fought for increases to 2nd and 3rd stimulus checks. Congress was willing to pass less.

Trump fought for increases to defense (it increased 20% in his term).

He swore to never touch entitlements.

Also Kinzinger is many negative things but he voted against the IRA and American Rescue Plan. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about on who is fiscally conservative and who isn't.
Not talking about fiscally conservative. Talking about abuse of Omnibus and massive scale comprehensive bills. I am not that type of conservative --- I understand your point, its just not what focused on.

And the stimulus checks may have been necessary --- the Covid this was an absolute trainwreck. The rich media and political class had no way of knowing how much even 2 k checks could be helpful at times then



1 was certainly necessary. Increased child tax credit? Probably necessary. 2nd? Eh. 3rd? What?

A family of 5 making $149k received nearly $12k in stimulus in 2020. Even if they had not lost a job.

$800B went out for PPP loans. The SBA believes at least 17% (over $130B) was embezzled through fraud.

COVID stimulus (especially the stuff that went out from June 2020 to Dec 2020) was the least targeted economic stimulus I have ever seen.
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Prosperdick said:

titan said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

YouBet said:

I will continue to be right in that nothing will really change with spending and the debt.

And I will continue to point this out to people on here who seem to think something will actually change with this admin.

It won't. At best, you will simply see a shift in spending but the overall net effect will be that any spending cuts will be a rounding error overall.


Yeah I don't understand why people think otherwise. Trump's whole first term he pimped spending increases and never vetoed an omnibus bill.

There are only a handful of people left that care and Rand is one of them.
Very different climate. He didn't have a semi-mandate, and he had a RINO Congress mostly filled with underminers. And that only for two years. Remember McCain and company flushing any repeal of Obamacare?

So first term not very germane here.
He also witnessed what the spending the last 4 years (and to be fair, most of his first term) has done to the debt where the interest is going to be the largest item of spending.

He's now taking advice from Elon and Vivek instead of Paul Ryan. Talk about a 180 shift.
We aren't dealing with theoretical physics here... it's not some huge enigma what happens with debt and interest when it comes to government spending. Trump's not a stupid guy. If he needs Elon and Vivek to tell him basic economics at this point in his life as the head of multimillion dollar companies then what the hell has he been doing?
 
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