aggiehawg said:

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Obama played golf a lot. SS didn't have any problem protecting him.

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Didn't Obama largely play on golf courses located inside military bases that were far easier to protect?

And also, a sitting President is going to have far more security than a former President.

Prosperdick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Obama played golf a lot. SS didn't have any problem protecting him.

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And you would think with MILLIONS of MAGA racist gun owners there would be at least ONE incident but nope...they all just went to work and tried to provide for their families.

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There were a number of plots against Obama. And some of them involved far right radical kooks.

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There were a number of plots against Obama. And some of them involved far right radical kooks.

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allegedly.

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Here's one for example from
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/militia-leader-larry-hopkins-allegedly-told-fbi-they-were-training-to-assassinate-barack-obama-hillary-clinton/

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The leader of a militia group who's been detaining migrants near the U.S.-Mexico border allegedly told the FBI his militia was training to assassinate former President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Democratic donor George Soros.

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Ulysses90 said:

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eric76 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Obama played golf a lot. SS didn't have any problem protecting him.

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Didn't Obama largely play on golf courses located inside military bases that were far easier to protect?

And also, a sitting President is going to have far more security than a former President.

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That's B.S. The size of the security detail is supposed to be based on the current threat assessment. Trump has the highest threat peofile of any living protectee. It has nothing to do with the football. Regardless, Trump's detail has been refused reinforcements repeatedly and at least until July 13 was staffed with fewer agents that Dr. Jill's detail.

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Are there any circumstances at which more Secret Service would be assigned to protect a former President than are assigned to protect the current President?

OH MY GOD LOOK WHO WAS BUSSED INTO ONE OF KAMALA HARRIS’S RALLIES‼️ pic.twitter.com/H1o6MUOwNg

— Matt Wallace (@MattWallace888) September 17, 2024

Can't tell if that's really him or a doppleganger

We're living in a simulation, there is no other explanation.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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OH MY GOD LOOK WHO WAS BUSSED INTO ONE OF KAMALA HARRIS’S RALLIES‼️ pic.twitter.com/H1o6MUOwNg

— Matt Wallace (@MattWallace888) September 17, 2024

Can't tell if that's really him or a doppleganger

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If it's him, I'm sure the open and honest DOJ will dig into this.

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Ulysses90 said:

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eric76 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Obama played golf a lot. SS didn't have any problem protecting him.

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Didn't Obama largely play on golf courses located inside military bases that were far easier to protect?

And also, a sitting President is going to have far more security than a former President.

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That's B.S. The size of the security detail is supposed to be based on the current threat assessment. Trump has the highest threat peofile of any living protectee. It has nothing to do with the football. Regardless, Trump's detail has been refused reinforcements repeatedly and at least until July 13 was staffed with fewer agents that Dr. Jill's detail.

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Are there any circumstances at which more Secret Service would be assigned to protect a former President than are assigned to protect the current President?

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In sane time with competent non-politicized leadership, for former President would have a larger security detail when he's holding an outdoor rally and the sitting President is catatonic on a beach chair at Rehobath Beach.

Not a very detailed write up. Where on the border? No agents names, almost like it's propaganda.

NSIAP

A former neighbor of the failed Trump assassination attempt suspect says the family kept "a whole live horse" in their living room. pic.twitter.com/EQ3I7iOtHF

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 17, 2024

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NSIAP

A former neighbor of the failed Trump assassination attempt suspect says the family kept "a whole live horse" in their living room. pic.twitter.com/EQ3I7iOtHF

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 17, 2024

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How has this not gone viral or has it and I just missed it? So much gold in here.

From https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6255djzj68o

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About 300 agents are assigned to the sitting president and vice-president, compared to the 90 to 100 who protect a former president, Mr Kessler said. These totals include all staff, which means Trump would not have that many agents with him in every instance.

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Former Secret Service agent Jason Russell told the BBC that the service was in charge of the area in the immediate vicinity of the former president.

But he added that local law enforcement would be in charge of the outer perimeter of a public space, like the golf course.

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

As I said in my conspiracy post, this guy wasn't supposed to be caught. Thank you private citizen and Florida LE.

RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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suburban cowboy said:

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NSIAP

A former neighbor of the failed Trump assassination attempt suspect says the family kept "a whole live horse" in their living room. pic.twitter.com/EQ3I7iOtHF

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 17, 2024

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How has this not gone viral or has it and I just missed it? So much gold in here.

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At least it wasn't a whole dead horse.

RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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All of his political donations show unemployed. So he had no job or he lied when filling out donation forms. That is illegal.

eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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I'm not the one talking about his income, never have, so another swing and miss. I'm talking about his ability to, not only travel, but his ability to connect with the upper echelon of the causes he supports, be it Zelensky or others. But, to do everything he's done for "his" cause, it would take a lot of resources that he hasn't been shown to have. And, his criminal record is as long as your arm, just some "average person" would be serving time as a repeat offender. Who's protecting him? Or is that just another coincidence? These are legitimate questions that need investigated, transparent answers. You just run to goal tend because Trump.

RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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I'm not the one talking about his income, never have, so another swing and miss. I'm talking about his ability to, not only travel, but his ability to connect with the upper echelon of the causes he supports, be it Zelensky or others. But, to do everything he's done for "his" cause, it would take a lot of resources that he hasn't been shown to have. And, his criminal record is as long as your arm, just some "average person" would be serving time as a repeat offender. Who's protecting him? Or is that just another coincidence? These are legitimate questions that need investigated, transparent answers. You just run to goal tend because Trump.

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Don't forget up to four times on return to conus he was flagged, set aside, but then ignored by HSI.

eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Is it $3k per week or $3k per month? If he was making $3k per week what kind of job is that and who was his employer? That is a high salary for a career criminal that hangs out across the ocean in war zones.

Bondag said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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All of his political donations show unemployed. So he had no job or he lied when filling out donation forms. That is illegal.

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Are people who commit tax fraud likely to fill out donation forms?

1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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If he was making $3000 a week, then he was being financed by someone. For all we know it could be our tax dollars going to him to recruit fighters to Ukraine. Even though he was kicked out of there, I do not trust the government to be efficient enough to shut off the spigot.

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Bondag said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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All of his political donations show unemployed. So he had no job or he lied when filling out donation forms. That is illegal.

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Are people who commit tax fraud likely to fill out donation forms?

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Ask your bud, Hunter.

eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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Gee, I dunno.... how about the most obvious example... Oswald. Kooky. Alphabet agency connections. Spent time in Russia meddling in foreign policy. Expendable. Fall Guy.