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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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There is already standardized tests like the SAT that high schools can be compared with.

And there is every interest in the world for schools to prove to customers that they are good. So lower grade schools will administer standardized tests to their students to prove it.


Not to mention, it's pretty damned easy to look at your kids homework and tests, to see if the material is worth a damn.

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Ok cool. Now do half of the population who doesn't care about their kids education.

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That makes no sense.

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I understand, as a college educated and, likely, highly involved parent, this is hard to grasp but there is a huge group of people who couldn't care less about the quality of their child's education. They just want them to be passed along and graduate. The STAAR test is the main obstacle in their way currently and you can be sure that if vouchers are passed, schools will open that remove that roadblock.

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You do realize that elite private schools have standardized testing, right? They also have rigorous testing to be admitted.

My kids have never stepped foot in a public school, take standardized testing every April, and have since Kindergarten. Over half of their class is in the top 95% of test takers.

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Here we go again.

Now do over half of the population who doesn't care about educating their kids.

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You keep saying that and it makes no sense!

So a person who doesn't care about educating their kids will see their kids get a worse education at a private school?

What is your point?!?!

Will vouchers increase or decrease the size of the state government? When did we all become such big govt conservatives? Is that even possible? (hint: RINOs love them some big govt)

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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I didn't say anything about standardized testing.

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So the 1-2% that are constantly *****ing and moaning about everything are the norm? How in the world are public schools still functioning with no teachers?

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The popularity is indicative of the general sentiment among teachers. My neighborhood has dozens of teachers. They all wear "Support Public Schools" t-shirts. And when you listen to them talk about their work and the schools it's a litany of (justified) complaints about systemic problems.

And that's from an area with highly regarded schools.

How is the system functioning with a teacher exodus and those remaining feeling overwhelmed? Not too well! There are schools with less than half of students being proficient in math and English all over the place.

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Will vouchers increase or decrease the size of the state government? When did we all become such big govt conservatives? Is that even possible? (hint: RINOs love them some big govt)

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Why does the anti-school-voucher crowd always have to be so deceptive and resort to fear mongering?

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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I don't think it will end up emphasizing education at all. The unintended consequence would be that you will have schools/organizations that emphasize profit over education.

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Possibly, but for those parents concerned with their children yes it would increase emphasis on education.

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Ok cool. Now do half of the population who doesn't care about their kids education.

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The system can't replace positive parent involvement

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The system that has been created allows zero accountability for crappy parenting.

Again, people want to blame the "failing schools," but completely ignore the students, their families, and campus communities. That's the failing that needs to be addressed. There is absolutely zero accountability on those groups. Ignoring that isn't going to fix a damn thing.

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Conclusion based on your statement is a voucher system at least has a chance to help parents who do care about the children's education.

What is deceptive?

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No way a private school that costs $12,000/year lets in all the kids with $12,000 coming from the state. They will raise rates considerably. The reason they exist in many cases is to keep those kids out.

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Could be, alternatively those kids that need to be failed will be failed, those kids that are disruptive will be suspended or banned.

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Nope. They will just remain in public schools.

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The discussion was concerning private schools. You are correct that those that can not handle learning or are disruptive would end up back on public schools.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Why is that an argument for or against this? Those people aren't going to give a **** regardless. Are you going to beat them over the head with a club until they care? Are those people that don't care about their kids going to go through the effort to put their kids in a private school? How does that benefit someone that doesn't care about their kids?

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Our current system forces the students to do at least a little bit in order to graduate. That will likely go away in an unchecked voucher system.

How many pro vouchers on here live in rural areas? Just curious.

I see both sides of this issue but completely understand why rural areas are against it. I also think it will shift more money to problem areas.

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look forward to the spin from posters that claim rural republicans don't want vouchers and are just too dimwitted to understand the ballot language

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Looking forward to how you keep rural schools funded when one of your primary mechanisms is still Robin Hood. Secondly will these vouchers be accepted by private schools. I know some don't because they know strings will be stretched. But you don't hear that. You think the bureaucrats are going sit idly by?

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Robin Hood is a socialist abomination. It should have never existed and is only supported by the economically ignorant.

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Robinhood is actually the primary culprit here. I'm a Republican and I am against school vouchers, however, their appeal to voters is the end result of the long term damage that has been done by Robinhood. We live in a really great school district where people pay a ton in taxes. However, we are having to do layoffs and cut costs all over because our district doesn't get to keep its money. We have to send it to the poverty pimps in Austin under the guise of "equity."

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A big reason to support vouchers today, that didn't exist a decade ago is the overt wokeness. With vouchers, if you go into your kids school, and there is a bunch of woke crap all over the walls, you can easily nope your kid right out of there.

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If you have an accessible school that you can afford that accepts your child. Which happens to be the exact situation today, without vouchers.


I hope you realize:
1. Not everyone will receive a voucher
2. A voucher alone won't cover all the costs to send your child to public school in most cases
3. A voucher isn't only "your" money that you're receiving back
4. You still have to have a private school accessible to you
5. Your child still has to be accepted to said school
6. Your child will have to pass a standardized test to remain in the voucher program

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Can you predict the future? Now that we have fewer RINOs in the way, you have no idea what voucher law we can pass. I can comment on how it SHOULD be:

Obviously pure privatization would be best. But if that is not achievable, then a voucher system where EVERYBODY gets one, the voucher alone covers the cost, and the voucher can be spent at private schools.

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Do you realize how much it would cost to give EVERYONE a voucher to cover the FULL cost of a private education?

And let's say there was enough money for that, you still have to have an accessible school that would accept your child, it still wouldn't be all your money, even less so if it covered the full cost, and some sort of oversight would still be needed to be fiscally responsible (which I realize is a joke itself, but the principle still applies).

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Yes, lets make sure that no matter where the kid goes to school, all schools have the same things wrong with them and remove the ways to fix them

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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I didn't say anything about standardized testing.

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I did. If voucher money is not tied to some form of standardized testing to monitor school performance, then it will essentially be unchecked.

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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There is already standardized tests like the SAT that high schools can be compared with.

And there is every interest in the world for schools to prove to customers that they are good. So lower grade schools will administer standardized tests to their students to prove it.


Not to mention, it's pretty damned easy to look at your kids homework and tests, to see if the material is worth a damn.

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Ok cool. Now do half of the population who doesn't care about their kids education.

Over 60% of our graduates don't even take the SAT or ACT.

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When people have no choice, then care much less. When they gain choice, they will care much worse.


And like I already said, there is every interest in the world for a school to prove that it's good. Just like very other industry.

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Ever heard of the TEA rating system?

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What does that have to do with anything I said? I'm answering the question on how customers would know if particular private schools are good.

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Knowing whether a school is good or not is simple. Caring is another. If the voucher system does not force some sort of oversight on all schools receiving funds, there will be a host of schools who take money but teach little to nothing.

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This makes no sense. The number of parents who literally do not care at all about their kids education is very small. These are the types of parents who are high on drugs all day. Those kids should be removed from those homes anyway.

The number of parents who care more than zero but less than I cared about my kids is obviously higher. They may not care enough to drive their kids to a school 40 minutes away, but they would drive 15 minutes for a decent school over 5 minutes for a bad one. And that is enough to make schools care. Even if some parents drive their kids to the 5 minute school, they will not make as much money as the 15 minute school. The school will want to make more, and will therefore strive to improve. It is literally what every other private entity in the world does.

And, BTW, vouchers will scare ALL schools into becoming better. Even if parents really don't care, and they just send their kids to the closest school, then the kids will STILL be better off. As that school needs to work to entice the students that do care to their school.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Yes, lets make sure that no matter where the kid goes to school, all schools have the same things wrong with them and remove the ways to fix them

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Or, now hear me out, we could fix the public school system by rolling back some of the idiocy.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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I was referencing an educator that was teaching under privileged children in depressed Chicago neighborhoods. She educated children on a shoestring budget producing astounding results. It had zero to due with "restrictions in disciplinary measures".

Policies that cater to the lowest common denominator will never produce excellence.

We need to give our kids the freedom to excel.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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No, that is part of the problem.

He and I were speaking to the accountability of tax dollars discussion. There is also the separate "competition" discussion. Both would normalize requirements between private and public.

I do assume most people would want to see an accountable system accompany tax expenditures?

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Why is that an argument for or against this? Those people aren't going to give a **** regardless. Are you going to beat them over the head with a club until they care? Are those people that don't care about their kids going to go through the effort to put their kids in a private school? How does that benefit someone that doesn't care about their kids?

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Our current system forces the students to do at least a little bit in order to graduate. That will likely go away in an unchecked voucher system.

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I mean there are voucher systems currently in place in many states so I'm going to assume your next post will have documented support for this phenomena.

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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There is already standardized tests like the SAT that high schools can be compared with.

And there is every interest in the world for schools to prove to customers that they are good. So lower grade schools will administer standardized tests to their students to prove it.


Not to mention, it's pretty damned easy to look at your kids homework and tests, to see if the material is worth a damn.

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Ok cool. Now do half of the population who doesn't care about their kids education.

Over 60% of our graduates don't even take the SAT or ACT.

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When people have no choice, then care much less. When they gain choice, they will care much worse.


And like I already said, there is every interest in the world for a school to prove that it's good. Just like very other industry.

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Ever heard of the TEA rating system?

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What does that have to do with anything I said? I'm answering the question on how customers would know if particular private schools are good.

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Knowing whether a school is good or not is simple. Caring is another. If the voucher system does not force some sort of oversight on all schools receiving funds, there will be a host of schools who take money but teach little to nothing.

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This makes no sense. The number of parents who literally do not care at all about their kids education is very small. These are the types of parents who are high on drugs all day. Those kids should be removed from those homes anyway.

The number of parents who care more than zero but less than I cared about my kids is obviously higher. They may not care enough to drive their kids to a school 40 minutes away, but they would drive 15 minutes for a decent school over 5 minutes for a bad one. And that is enough to make schools care. Even if some parents drive their kids to the 5 minute school, they will not make as much money as the 15 minute school. The school will want to make more, and will therefore strive to improve. It is literally what every other private entity in the world does.

And, BTW, vouchers will scare ALL schools into becoming better. Even if parents really don't care, and they just send their kids to the closest school, then the kids will STILL be better off. As that school needs to work to entice the students that do care to their school.

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Again, you are simply wrong. A huge percentage of parents just want their child to graduate and they want it to be as easy as possible to do so. And they don't want to hear about any problems from the school or their child.

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look forward to the spin from posters that claim rural republicans don't want vouchers and are just too dimwitted to understand the ballot language

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Looking forward to how you keep rural schools funded when one of your primary mechanisms is still Robin Hood. Secondly will these vouchers be accepted by private schools. I know some don't because they know strings will be stretched. But you don't hear that. You think the bureaucrats are going sit idly by?

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Robin Hood is a socialist abomination. It should have never existed and is only supported by the economically ignorant.

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Robinhood is actually the primary culprit here. I'm a Republican and I am against school vouchers, however, their appeal to voters is the end result of the long term damage that has been done by Robinhood. We live in a really great school district where people pay a ton in taxes. However, we are having to do layoffs and cut costs all over because our district doesn't get to keep its money. We have to send it to the poverty pimps in Austin under the guise of "equity."

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A big reason to support vouchers today, that didn't exist a decade ago is the overt wokeness. With vouchers, if you go into your kids school, and there is a bunch of woke crap all over the walls, you can easily nope your kid right out of there.

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If you have an accessible school that you can afford that accepts your child. Which happens to be the exact situation today, without vouchers.


I hope you realize:
1. Not everyone will receive a voucher
2. A voucher alone won't cover all the costs to send your child to public school in most cases
3. A voucher isn't only "your" money that you're receiving back
4. You still have to have a private school accessible to you
5. Your child still has to be accepted to said school
6. Your child will have to pass a standardized test to remain in the voucher program

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Can you predict the future? Now that we have fewer RINOs in the way, you have no idea what voucher law we can pass. I can comment on how it SHOULD be:

Obviously pure privatization would be best. But if that is not achievable, then a voucher system where EVERYBODY gets one, the voucher alone covers the cost, and the voucher can be spent at private schools.

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Do you realize how much it would cost to give EVERYONE a voucher to cover the FULL cost of a private education?

And let's say there was enough money for that, you still have to have an accessible school that would accept your child, it still wouldn't be all your money, even less so if it covered the full cost, and some sort of oversight would still be needed to be fiscally responsible (which I realize is a joke itself, but the principle still applies).

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Do you realize I'm not talking about current existing private schools? They charge so much because they are competing for wealthy clients, not average ones. They cannot compete for poor or middle class customers as they can just go to existing public schools. So existing private schools don't try.

But in an environment where a private school can finally gain poor and middle class customers, they will finally strive to do so. So private schools would pop up all over the place, and they will accept vouchers as their full tuition.

So then, we are talking about no more cost than we pay now. If everybody is allocated $8K per student per year, then that's how much their voucher would be worth.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Yes, lets make sure that no matter where the kid goes to school, all schools have the same things wrong with them and remove the ways to fix them

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Or, now hear me out, we could fix the public school system by rolling back some of the idiocy.

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Or now hear me out, we could just end the public funded education system.

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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I didn't say anything about standardized testing.

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I did. If voucher money is not tied to some form of standardized testing to monitor school performance, then it will essentially be unchecked.

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There will be testing, as it is currently done in private schools. We sent our daughters to private school in Oak Cliff and they had standardized testing.

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If people were happy with the results of a public school system, vouchers would never have a chance.

Many parents are not happy with the product, and have watched the system fail. Because we value a high-quality education, we are looking at other options. I don't have a dog in this fight anymore as both of my kids have graduated from college. I am supporting vouchers based on my personal experience as a parent with College Station ISD.

Private colleges have not put public universities out of business. Some public universities still provide value. Some public high schools will continue to do the same.

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Surveys say most people ARE generally happy with the performance of their schools, especially in rural areas. Voucher proponents use a handful of struggling inner-city schools and schools in urban areas as their justification for the "need" for vouchers. If it weren't for a vocal faction of those in control (like Greg Abbott and his supporters) pushing for-profit schools and tax breaks for his friends there would not be a huge groundswell of people pushing for vouchers.

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The surveys that you refer to are not reflected in the recent election cycle.

I attended a small 2A school in West Texas. That school will be fine. There isn't a private school option in the area, and many other rural schools will not face competition due to lack of demand. Honestly, the fascination with football and the Friday Night Lights culture will save others. Panem et circenses.

Baylor isn't going to put A&M out of business anytime soon. Similarly, the good public high schools will continue on, and others will whither to a shell of its former self.

Neither here nor there, I wonder the impact to families of that voucher isn't increased for 6 years? Assuming the cost of education increases each year, as basically everything does. 6 year buying power of $8k.

Leadership has done that to public education. I wonder if they'd do that to a voucher program?

Purely hypothetical of course.

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The fastest way to that end is competition.

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I see unintended consequences with a voucher program. I hope I'm wrong.

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I'm sure there will be some issues. The devil is in the details. One can almost guarantee there will be problems that need to be worked out.
Hope the system of vouchers can solve those problems as it places emphasis on education.

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Without standardized testing (which I hate), I don't see how you can have any form of real oversight.

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I didn't say anything about standardized testing.

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I did. If voucher money is not tied to some form of standardized testing to monitor school performance, then it will essentially be unchecked.

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There is no government imposed standardized testing for cell phones or TVs. Yet they are always striving for high quality and lower cost.

Why do people always assume that government has to be involved to make products and services good? In fact, government often makes the quality WORSE.

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Why is that an argument for or against this? Those people aren't going to give a **** regardless. Are you going to beat them over the head with a club until they care? Are those people that don't care about their kids going to go through the effort to put their kids in a private school? How does that benefit someone that doesn't care about their kids?

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Our current system forces the students to do at least a little bit in order to graduate. That will likely go away in an unchecked voucher system.

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I mean there are voucher systems currently in place in many states so I'm going to assume your next post will have documented support for this phenomena.

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https://time.com/6272666/school-voucher-programs-hurt-students/

I don't know where to find honest, unbiased data but I can tell you (from an insider perspective) there will be a great deal of negative consequences. I am not discounting that it would help some, but I feel it will be outweighed by negatives as whole for society. Individually, I am all for it. I care about my kids education and I want them to have the best education possible at the lowest cost but not if it means we have more uneducated degenerates walking the streets.

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Yes, lets make sure that no matter where the kid goes to school, all schools have the same things wrong with them and remove the ways to fix them

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Or, now hear me out, we could fix the public school system by rolling back some of the idiocy.

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The idiocy is inherent to the system. ALL government systems, given enough time and size, have those problems. Look at Washington. The only difference is size. You cannot rid the systems of the incentives that are at the base of what they are built on.

If I recall, most of that testing is designed for the evaluation of the student. Not used for comparative analysis with other peer private schools. Nor would be a tool for comparing success with public schools. I get that standardized tests are administered, but if the topic is comparing success between private and public schools (or even private and private) you will need some standard tool to do so. A standard standardized test, if you will.

Will TEA mandate that tool for private as it does for public?

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The same government you are looking to provide you a voucher is the one that burdened public education with the restrictions in disciplinary measures. Those decisions and rules were taken away from local control (including this legislative session…..see vaping discipline law).

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Nailed it. The same people in government that created the mountain of regulations that public schools must follow and the standards they must meet to be labeled "successful" are the same ones pushing for vouchers that will allow them to take their children to private schools not burdened by their regulations.

You want to give public funds to private schools? Cool. Make those private schools play by all of the same rules.

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Yes, lets make sure that no matter where the kid goes to school, all schools have the same things wrong with them and remove the ways to fix them

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Or, now hear me out, we could fix the public school system by rolling back some of the idiocy.

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Or now hear me out, we could just end the public funded education system.

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There's this pesky thing called the state Constitution that prevents that. Our forefathers had enough foresight to understand the value of a populous with basic levels of education, and developed a system to provide that.