Trump was flying with Epstein more than first thought

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I had posted the old flights we knew about to Palm Beach and Teterboro. Looks like 7 flights so far, all domestic to Newark and Reagan/DC as well. Terrible look.


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11:59p, 1/1/24
There must be high level swamp rats about to get exposed if this is what they're running with…
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This is only surprising to the Jonestown crew
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wondered-ghislaine-maxwell-said-anything-about-him-2022-10?amp
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-well-wishes-ghislaine-maxwell-391274
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In reply to aggie93 • 12:09a, 1/2/24
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None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.
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In reply to annie88 • 12:13a, 1/2/24
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Dershowitz is also accused, isn't he? Not sure how mentioning him helps.
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12:22a, 1/2/24
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Queue the "We Got Him!" gif
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In reply to annie88 • 12:28a, 1/2/24
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annie88 said:
None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.
Actually we only knew about a couple of flights from PBI to Tetorboro. This is at least 7 flights to more locations. That doesn't make Trump a pedo but it does mean he was a lot closer to Epstein than he has let on. I realize you don't care but this is terrible optics and the press can have a field day with this. At best Trump has been misleading about how closely he knew Epstein. Trump had previously said he barely knew him and talked about how he kicked him out of MAL when he heard he was messing around. Now it's clear they knew each other closer than that.

Trump could have pushed for an investigation into Epstein's death (he was President) but didn't. He told Tucker he thought he killed himself.

Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
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12:50a, 1/2/24
I thought he was somebody we could trust, so disappointing. Sad.
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aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
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In reply to coconutED • 12:57a, 1/2/24
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coconutED said:
aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
Once again, the 2 flights were known, this is 7 and to new locations. Nothing to the island but it does show that Trump knew Epstein better than he has let on. You don't fly on someone's private jet 7 times to different cities if you don't know they pretty damn well, even if you are stupid rich.
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In reply to aggie93 • 1:05a, 1/2/24
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Orange Man Bad for not time traveling 30 years into the future before making business deals.
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In reply to aggie93 • 1:05a, 1/2/24
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We both know Trump didn't have control of the DOJ, real control, at any point in his presidency.

The only thing I care about is if Trump maintained ties with Epstein after he was charged in Palm Beach. Doesn't appear that he did.

Me and several long time trusted colleagues worked closely with a guy that was busted for child porn distribution. The FBI literally showed up at our office, the North America flagship, and arrested him. He was immediately fired and ties were cut. We clearly had no idea. One of my buddies helped HR clear out his office and return his stuff to his wife, who promptly filed for divorce.

I would have to imagine that anyone at least 40-50 has been associated with someone, most likely through business, that was a complete POS, maybe even predatory, and had absolutely no idea.
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In reply to aggie93 • 1:08a, 1/2/24
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
Once again, the 2 flights were known, this is 7 and to new locations. Nothing to the island but it does show that Trump knew Epstein better than he has let on. You don't fly on someone's private jet 7 times to different cities if you don't know they pretty damn well, even if you are stupid rich.
People who **** children should be executed. Regardless which side of the aisle.

People who propagate distractions and convolutions on the eve of such a revelation are functioning as pedophile apologists.

I have zero respect for your posting, but even from that baseline this is surprisingly vile.
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In reply to coconutED • 1:15a, 1/2/24
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coconutED said:
Orange Man Bad for not time traveling 30 years into the future before making business deals.
The point isn't that Trump is a pedo. The point is he lied about how well he knew Epstein and this is going to be used against him when the time is right. If you think they just go after Clinton and then say "Well Trump flew all over with Epstein but it was just domestic so I'm sure it was innocent" then you need your head examined.

It also means there may be more we don't know. It means that we are more likely to never know who all was involved in Epstein because they will focus on this Trump connection. I know in the Netflix special they made on Epstein they were already going there and they didn't have this much evidence.

I'll vote for Trump again if he is the nominee but I'm so freaking tired of all of this idiocy.
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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 1:18a, 1/2/24
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Get Off My Lawn said:
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
Once again, the 2 flights were known, this is 7 and to new locations. Nothing to the island but it does show that Trump knew Epstein better than he has let on. You don't fly on someone's private jet 7 times to different cities if you don't know they pretty damn well, even if you are stupid rich.
People who **** children should be executed. Regardless which side of the aisle.

People who propagate distractions and convolutions on the eve of such a revelation are functioning as pedophile apologists.

I have zero respect for your posting, but even from that baseline this is surprisingly vile.
I'm a pedophile apologist because the documents released showed Trump flew on Epstein's plane more than was first reported? So if we don't ignore facts then that is "vile"?

You do realize that simply because you close your eyes doesn't make this stuff go away, right? I mean these are flight logs.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 1:21a, 1/2/24
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Urban Ag said:
We both know Trump didn't have control of the DOJ, real control, at any point in his presidency.

The only thing I care about is if Trump maintained ties with Epstein after he was charged in Palm Beach. Doesn't appear that he did.

Me and several long time trusted colleagues worked closely with a guy that was busted for child porn distribution. The FBI literally showed up at our office, the North America flagship, and arrested him. He was immediately fired and ties were cut. We clearly had no idea. One of my buddies helped HR clear out his office and return his stuff to his wife, who promptly filed for divorce.

I would have to imagine that anyone at least 40-50 has been associated with someone, most likely through business, that was a complete POS, maybe even predatory, and had absolutely no idea.
No doubt. I had a guy I worked with that ended up getting arrested for child porn as well. Never would have guessed. As I said I don't think Trump is a pedo.

The point is he did lie about how well he knew Epstein and the optics of the flights are bad. Oh, and that's probably not fair but what else is new.
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In reply to aggie93 • 1:33a, 1/2/24
aggie93 said:
Get Off My Lawn said:
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
Once again, the 2 flights were known, this is 7 and to new locations. Nothing to the island but it does show that Trump knew Epstein better than he has let on. You don't fly on someone's private jet 7 times to different cities if you don't know they pretty damn well, even if you are stupid rich.
People who **** children should be executed. Regardless which side of the aisle.

People who propagate distractions and convolutions on the eve of such a revelation are functioning as pedophile apologists.

I have zero respect for your posting, but even from that baseline this is surprisingly vile.
I'm a pedophile apologist because the documents released showed Trump flew on Epstein's plane more than was first reported? So if we don't ignore facts then that is "vile"?

You do realize that simply because you close your eyes doesn't make this stuff go away, right? I mean these are flight logs.
This is the release date for the flight logs we expect thumb pedophilic actors, and your timing / framing is an intentionally attempt to use the moment to smear Trump rather than seek truth & justice.

Take credit for the ploy. Feigning ignorance of your behavioral pattern isn't fooling anyone.
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MAGA crew once was very interested in the Epstein flight logs. MAGA crew now no longer cares.
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MAGA crew once was very interested in the Epstein flight logs. MAGA crew now no longer cares.
Oh good grief. Literally my first post on this thread. It's the spin that's sickening. Trump is currently my 3rd choice - and criticism of him is due - but lets not yank the spotlight from where it belongs to satisfy your obsession.
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To the OP's point.... yes, the MSM will revisit this a million times and do their best to disparage Trump with it. Will it work? Who knows... we live in the most tribal / "Low Information Voter" era in history IMHO... I don't think there's anything much to it, but I'm not the millions of votes the media will try to influence.
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Get Off My Lawn said:
GAC06 said:
MAGA crew once was very interested in the Epstein flight logs. MAGA crew now no longer cares.
Oh good grief. Literally my first post on this thread. It's the spin that's sickening. Trump is currently my 3rd choice - and criticism of him is due - but lets not yank the spotlight from where it belongs to satisfy your obsession.
Same. I am not a Trumper. I just want him to retire forever. But we need to circle the wagons like the dems do. If we don't get our guy or gal, we need to be backing Trump. End of story.
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Maybe...



.....juuuuuuust maybe....


The GOP should select someone that

1) isn't a lib
2) isn't old
3) doesnt have tons of skeletons in, and out of, the closet.

Leaves out Trump.
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In reply to BigRobSA • 5:06a, 1/2/24
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Maybe...



.....juuuuuuust maybe....


The GOP should select someone that

1) isn't a lib
2) isn't old
3) doesnt have tons of skeletons in, and out of, the closet.

Leaves out Trump.
Like this guy???

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
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In reply to aggie93 • 5:18a, 1/2/24
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
Orange Man Bad for not time traveling 30 years into the future before making business deals.
The point isn't that Trump is a pedo. The point is he lied about how well he knew Epstein and this is going to be used against him when the time is right. If you think they just go after Clinton and then say "Well Trump flew all over with Epstein but it was just domestic so I'm sure it was innocent" then you need your head examined.

It also means there may be more we don't know. It means that we are more likely to never know who all was involved in Epstein because they will focus on this Trump connection. I know in the Netflix special they made on Epstein they were already going there and they didn't have this much evidence.

I'll vote for Trump again if he is the nominee but I'm so freaking tired of all of this idiocy.


So your answer to this lunacy is to blame Trump, put him in the spotlight of being a villain……like Trump has been the past recipient of fair and balanced media reporting. Color me skeptic that you would ever vote for Trump. O
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FCBlitz said:
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
Orange Man Bad for not time traveling 30 years into the future before making business deals.
The point isn't that Trump is a pedo. The point is he lied about how well he knew Epstein and this is going to be used against him when the time is right. If you think they just go after Clinton and then say "Well Trump flew all over with Epstein but it was just domestic so I'm sure it was innocent" then you need your head examined.

It also means there may be more we don't know. It means that we are more likely to never know who all was involved in Epstein because they will focus on this Trump connection. I know in the Netflix special they made on Epstein they were already going there and they didn't have this much evidence.

I'll vote for Trump again if he is the nominee but I'm so freaking tired of all of this idiocy.


So your answer to this lunacy is to blame Trump, put him in the spotlight of being a villain……like Trump has been the past recipient of fair and balanced media reporting. Color me skeptic that you would ever vote for Trump. O
Aggie93 has said hundreds of times that he will vote for Trump if he wins the primary.
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It's despicable how you people try to tarnish Trump just because of his close ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

Have some class.

You are ignoring the context of his flights just to attack him.

There is NO WAY Trump or MAGA act similarly if the roles were reversed.
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aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
aggie93 said:
Don't worry though. I'm sure the media will give him the benefit of the doubt and only go after Clinton.
Just like they did in the several years that this was known?
Once again, the 2 flights were known, this is 7 and to new locations. Nothing to the island but it does show that Trump knew Epstein better than he has let on. You don't fly on someone's private jet 7 times to different cities if you don't know they pretty damn well, even if you are stupid rich.
I always understood it to be far more than 2. What would be new news is if any of them were to the island.

None of this comes close to implying that Trump knew of Epstein's pedo nature. In fact, if I remember right, once Trump suspected something, he cut off contact.

And this is coming from somebody who wants Trump to drop out of the race.
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Anyone familiar with Trammel Crow?
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/texas-philanthropist-trammell-crow-to-face-sex-trafficking-suit

This family regularly had office meetings and flights with politicians in Texas and nationally to influence the politicians. Apparently their executive suite in a skyscraper had a secret room with a woman gagged and such that was discovered during a showing (they were trying to sell the suite).

Makes you wonder about a lot of things.
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In reply to Four Seasons Landscaping • 6:55a, 1/2/24
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Four Seasons Landscaping said:
It's despicable how you people try to tarnish Trump just because of his close ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

Have some class.

You are ignoring the context of his flights just to attack him.

There is NO WAY Trump or MAGA act similarly if the roles were reversed.
Trump partied with Epstein for years and knew Epstein well.

While Trump might not have known of Epstein's activities, it is not likely that he was completely in the dark considering his own words
Quote:
I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it Jeffrey enjoys his social life.
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On the "young side" is a lot different than "illegally under age".

You guys are falling for the distraction. There are certainly guys who not only knew about Epstein's activities, but partook in them. But here you are stuck on if Trump flew on his plane domestically 6 or 7 times.
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aTmAg said:
On the "young side" is a lot different than "illegally under age".

You guys are falling for the distraction. There are certainly guys who not only knew about Epstein's activities, but partook in them. But here you are stuck on if Trump flew on his plane domestically 6 or 7 times.
Trump has openly expressed interest in late teens just over legal age. There were reports in the early 1990s about him seeing a 10 year old girl and then saying that he would be dating her in 10 years.

Not only that, Trump bragged about going into the Miss Teen USA dressing rooms while girls well under age were getting dressed. He considered that a perk of owning the pageant.

And his comments show that he knew that Epstein liked them even younger.
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In reply to aggie93 • 7:16a, 1/2/24
aggie93 said:
coconutED said:
Orange Man Bad for not time traveling 30 years into the future before making business deals.
The point isn't that Trump is a pedo. The point is he lied about how well he knew Epstein and this is going to be used against him when the time is right. If you think they just go after Clinton and then say "Well Trump flew all over with Epstein but it was just domestic so I'm sure it was innocent" then you need your head examined.

It also means there may be more we don't know. It means that we are more likely to never know who all was involved in Epstein because they will focus on this Trump connection. I know in the Netflix special they made on Epstein they were already going there and they didn't have this much evidence.

I'll vote for Trump again if he is the nominee but I'm so freaking tired of all of this idiocy.
I have a couple of questions for you

Define "flew all over"?

I've looked at the 118 page PDF and I've found these "7 new" entries you are pot banging about and it reveals PBI to TEB four times
PBI to DCA once
PBI to EWR twice

So what is 'all over"

Also there's a lot of pearl clutching by many about Trump even associating with Epstein

So by that logic Let's ask about DeSantis

You know this guy?

DeSantis has known him for years
Big time donor to Desantis, to both his Congressional Run and his run for Gov
Once DeSantis became Gov appointed him the chair of the Public Safety Transition Advisory Committee.



As Chairman In a meeting in his office, he offered a woman listed as Jane Doe $10,000 in exchange for a "lap dance" and later $5,000 in exchange for "Facetime sex," the police report said.

After refusing both, he told Jane Doe, 'You can't leave here without giving me something,' and 'It has to be more than 30 seconds,'" according to the police. report. He demanded she expose her breasts to him. Jane Doe police that she was scared and wanted to leave but did not believe she was free to leave. She said she was frightened and unsure of what might happen if she did not comply with his demands.

The woman said he handed her his cellphone, told her to set a timer for 30 seconds and ordered her to expose her breasts before leaving.

Then there was the underage girl in a different incident, that really gets creepy. The guy ended up committing suicide rather than face the music as the investigation was closing in on him


If you care to review any documents feel free HERE

But basically DeSantis ally, biggest donor, and best friend Kent Stermon died by suicide after being accused of being a child molester amongst other things.

Does that make Ronnie a bad guy? Use the same lens you use on Trump

Pretty sure Epstein was never Trump
s best friend. ally or biggest donor and Trump never appointed him to any chair or any committed.....
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In reply to eric76 • 7:17a, 1/2/24
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eric76 said:
aTmAg said:
On the "young side" is a lot different than "illegally under age".

You guys are falling for the distraction. There are certainly guys who not only knew about Epstein's activities, but partook in them. But here you are stuck on if Trump flew on his plane domestically 6 or 7 times.
Trump has openly expressed interest in late teens just over legal age. There were reports in the early 1990s about him seeing a 10 year old girl and then saying that he would be dating her in 10 years.

Not only that, Trump bragged about going into the Miss Teen USA dressing rooms while girls well under age were getting dressed. He considered that a perk of owning the pageant.

And his comments show that he knew that Epstein liked them even younger.
Please... you are reading what you want into it.

Trump banned Epstein and cut off contact for hitting on a members daughter at Mar-a-Lago over 15 years ago. The notion that Trump really knew about Epstein prior is absurd.
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