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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These comments always make me laugh - why don't you list the ways he is such a terrible human.

I'm not talking about getting some strange and divorcing his wife, because he's no different than half (or more) of married folk in that regard. I'm not talking about using existing law to mitigate losses on a few bankruptcies with companies that didn't pan out, because that happens to companies across the country every day of the week, even those mom and pop "really good people" companies.

Is he the second coming of Jesus Christ? Absolutely fuggin not - but - and be specific - how is he so bad that you, who I assume has no interaction with the dude outside of what you parrot from hearing on the news or seeing on message boards (which are parroting what is said on the news) - just *know* he is a "terrible" human?

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None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.

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this is just sad, trump isnt a good guy quit pretending he is

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None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.

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this is just sad, trump isnt a good guy quit pretending he is

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Where in that post did she anything about him being a good guy? The TDS is strong in you.

Honestly, this isn't going to be a big deal at all, imo.

Those that aren't going to vote for trump ( myself and family) aren't going to see this as an " I knew it" moment. I think I have a pretty good handle on what kind of man Trump is. I don't need any more evidence.

Those that are Trump followers aren't going to blink no matter what came out as news. There could be video of Trump with underage girls and those folks are going to stay with him. What could Trump do that would change their minds ? Nothing.

If Nov is Trump vs Biden , the country has lost already, imo. We deserve better than two old bad candidates.

But if that's the case and those two are the choices, let's just see how the vote goes and pick a president.

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1872walker said:

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This is Attorney Bradley Edwards.

He represented 70 trafficking victims of Jeffrey Epstein starting in 2009 & was instrumental in bringing him down.

He dedicated a decade of his life to the Epstein trafficking case.

This is what he said when asked about Trump's involvement… pic.twitter.com/asAUx1dFgO

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 2, 2024

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Between this video and the years that the flights took place, the OP sure seem to be grasping. TDS is a horrible disease.

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Thanks, I have never seen that video.

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Honestly, this isn't going to be a big deal at all, imo.

Those that aren't going to vote for trump ( myself and family) aren't going to see this as an " I knew it" moment. I think I have a pretty good handle on what kind of man Trump is. I don't need any more evidence.

Those that are Trump followers aren't going to blink no matter what came out as news. There could be video of Trump with underage girls and those folks are going to stay with him. What could Trump do that would change their minds ? Nothing.

If Nov is Trump vs Biden , the country has lost already, imo. We deserve better than two old bad candidates.

But if that's the case and those two are the choices, let's just see how the vote goes and pick a president.

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Your last sentence says it all. It's going to be very interesting where our posters fall. Some will disappear, some will change their user name, and some will just self combust.

Her posting history shows that shes a hardcore trumper. She would defend this guy til his death

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Honestly, this isn't going to be a big deal at all, imo.

Those that aren't going to vote for trump ( myself and family) aren't going to see this as an " I knew it" moment. I think I have a pretty good handle on what kind of man Trump is. I don't need any more evidence.

Those that are Trump followers aren't going to blink no matter what came out as news. There could be video of Trump with underage girls and those folks are going to stay with him. What could Trump do that would change their minds ? Nothing.

If Nov is Trump vs Biden , the country has lost already, imo. We deserve better than two old bad candidates.

But if that's the case and those two are the choices, let's just see how the vote goes and pick a president.

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Your last sentence says it all. It's going to be very interesting where our posters fall. Some will disappear, some will change their user name, and some will just self combust.

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Can't speak for anyone else. I will not disappear, change my user name, or self combust.

In fact I will pray for the next President no matter who wins. If those are the choices, the President won't be a man I voted for, but he will still be MY president. WHY ? Because I am an American .

Let me tell you what else I won't do. I won't claim the election was STOLEN.

Let's hope we have no reason to suspect it was stolen.

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Let me tell you what else I won't do. I won't claim the election was STOLEN.

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Evidence be damned

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Ags77 said:

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Let me tell you what else I won't do. I won't claim the election was STOLEN.

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Evidence be damned

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I believe there was targeted election fraud in just the right places to make the election slant Biden.

That being said, one candidate has done a ton to change that from happening in his state and elsewhere, and then there's Trump who has become the whiniest ***** imaginable.

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annie88 said:

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None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.

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this is just sad, trump isnt a good guy quit pretending he is

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Good guy or not, this Epstein stuff with Trump is stupid. Facts are:
1. He flew on Epstein's plane
2. Never went to pedo island
3. When Trump found out about what Epstein was doing, he stopped all contact with Epstein.
4. That includes flying on his plane.

Has nothing to do with Trump being good, bad or whatever, This has to do with facts, and the facts prove this is just so stupid onlly TDS would run with it.

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coconutED said:

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Ags77 said:

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Let me tell you what else I won't do. I won't claim the election was STOLEN.

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Evidence be damned

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I believe there was targeted election fraud in just the right places to make the election slant Biden.

That being said, one candidate has done a ton to change that from happening in his state and elsewhere, and then there's Trump who has become the whiniest ***** imaginable.

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You do realize elections are run by the state, not the federal government. Or does your TDS block that out. What Trump did is get alot of Rino's out of office to allow actual conservatives to hold office in DC.

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or this

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The contrast couldn't be greater, and yet the life long conservative with a strong track record as a governor and who has a family from his only wife isn't enough for maga. They would rather put their support with someone who's lived a life they railed against up until he started calling himself a republican.

Torbusj wow for sure.

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These stories may be changing votes in ways you won't like.

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If it ends up with Trump as President I can live with that just fine. My concern is for the General far more than the Primary in the end. I don't see how any of this helps Trump against Biden or D to be named later.

Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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coconutED said:

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Ags77 said:

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Let me tell you what else I won't do. I won't claim the election was STOLEN.

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Evidence be damned

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I believe there was targeted election fraud in just the right places to make the election slant Biden.

That being said, one candidate has done a ton to change that from happening in his state and elsewhere, and then there's Trump who has become the whiniest ***** imaginable.

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You do realize elections are run by the state, not the federal government. Or does your TDS block that out. What Trump did is get alot of Rino's out of office to allow actual conservatives to hold office in DC.

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Desantis has done tons to mitigate any possible fraud, like I said already, in his state AND ELSEWHERE. Trump just whines, like the liberal ***** he is.

But, in Trump's defense, he DID out Epstein at MaL and isn't involved in tye Island stuff like his old bestie Clinton.

You know whose name isn’t on the Epstein flight logs?@RonDeSantis pic.twitter.com/xKs6f6T5g4

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 2, 2024

Trump would be 78 if he got elected, I am tired of 80 year olds running this country. Honestly Biden and Trump are off my list from age alone. Don't trust someone to make decisions about the future of the country when they have a very limited future to live with the decisions they make

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These comments always make me laugh - why don't you list the ways he is such a terrible human.

I'm not talking about getting some strange and divorcing his wife, because he's no different than half (or more) of married folk in that regard. I'm not talking about using existing law to mitigate losses on a few bankruptcies with companies that didn't pan out, because that happens to companies across the country every day of the week, even those mom and pop "really good people" companies.

Is he the second coming of Jesus Christ? Absolutely fuggin not - but - and be specific - how is he so bad that you, who I assume has no interaction with the dude outside of what you parrot from hearing on the news or seeing on message boards (which are parroting what is said on the news) - just *know* he is a "terrible" human?

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because he personally and has his sycophant grifters lie and defame the best conservative leader we have had since Reagan?

is that what a "good person" does?

Science Denier said:

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bjorn said:

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annie88 said:

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None of them went to the island. This was a man that many people were hanging around at that time including Dershowitz and others, and these flights are all between Newark, DC and Palm Beach. And many of them had members of his family and children on it with him. Many were same-day trips.

But to you that something bad?

We've known about all of these for a long time. This is not new news. It's not more flights than they always were.

You are getting really desperate.

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this is just sad, trump isnt a good guy quit pretending he is

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Good guy or not, this Epstein stuff with Trump is stupid. Facts are:
1. He flew on Epstein's plane
2. Never went to pedo island
3. When Trump found out about what Epstein was doing, he stopped all contact with Epstein.
4. That includes flying on his plane.

Has nothing to do with Trump being good, bad or whatever, This has to do with facts, and the facts prove this is just so stupid onlly TDS would run with it.

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We have no evidence of Trump going to pedo island as of now, I certainly hope he didn't. It wasn't all pedo stuff going on there though, it was mainly just hedonism so we don't know that just because someone went to the island they were a pedo, especially prior to 2008 or so when it was less known about.

Trump broke off with Epstein over a Real Estate deal in 2004, he kicked him out of MAL a couple of years later after they had already fallen out. By all accounts though he was angry about how Epstein treated an underage girl so credit to Trump. Obviously he didn't fly on his plane because they were no longer friends. BTW, all of the bad stuff with Clinton happened before 2005 and mainly in the years 2001-5 when Trump and Clinton were friends with each other and with Epstein.

I don't think Trump is a pedo. I don't think he was best buddies with Epstein. They clearly did have a relationship though and it was during the time that Epstein was doing some pretty bad stuff. It's the same timeline as the Stormy Daniels stuff was going on with Trump so clearly he was living a little crazy as well. The question is what Trump knew and when and we will likely never know. The thing that isn't in question is the press can have a field day with all of this if they choose to. Of course you can also believe that Trump was out banging everything that moved and partying like a Rock Star at the time but when he got around Epstein it was all clean and even though he did everything he could to cover up the Stormy thing around the same time that can't be the case here.

Like I said I will vote for Trump but I'm not going to lie to myself about who he is nor what the press may choose to do to him.

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These comments always make me laugh - why don't you list the ways he is such a terrible human.

I'm not talking about getting some strange and divorcing his wife, because he's no different than half (or more) of married folk in that regard. I'm not talking about using existing law to mitigate losses on a few bankruptcies with companies that didn't pan out, because that happens to companies across the country every day of the week, even those mom and pop "really good people" companies.

Is he the second coming of Jesus Christ? Absolutely fuggin not - but - and be specific - how is he so bad that you, who I assume has no interaction with the dude outside of what you parrot from hearing on the news or seeing on message boards (which are parroting what is said on the news) - just *know* he is a "terrible" human?

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I'll play.

I'll start by saying that though I normally agree with aggie93 with respect to the election, Trump & DeSantis, I think he's out over his skis on this one, and blowing a nothingburger out of purportion unnecessarily. Sure, the media was going to run with the loose association, but they always were. That doesn't justify giving them the air to do so...

Now for the list. First, Trump isn't a terrible human. He's just flawed in a few egregious ways.

1. He's an insufferable narcissist. He takes personal credit for everything good that happens, and spin everything everything else as someone else's fault. Best President ever? Please. Even if he was, that's one of the things you don't say out loud. But he's not.
2. He demands unconditional loyalty. Loyalty is more important to him than principle. That's a dangerous worldview to have if you're POTUS.
3. Because of #2, he demonizes - and fires - any capable people who disagree with him. Even if they are competent and correct, he'll jettison them because they aren't "yes" people.
4. Also because of #2, his first criterion of who he surrounds himself will be "loyalty", not competence. As such, I fear what his cabinet will look like. And because of this inane litmus test, he's reduced the pool of candidates to work in his administration to a fraction of what it should be.
5. Trump has an irresistable urge to "punch back". As such, he is easily baited. He will find himself in unnecessary squabbles when he should have stayed above the fray and let surrogates fight personality battles. The media has - and will - take advantage of this flaw ad nauseum.

There's more, but these are the main things that concern me, and why I will vote for DeSantis in the Primary.

As you can see from the above, NOTHING in this list has ANYTHING to to with Epstein, plane trips, or young girls.

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These comments always make me laugh - why don't you list the ways he is such a terrible human.

I'm not talking about getting some strange and divorcing his wife, because he's no different than half (or more) of married folk in that regard. I'm not talking about using existing law to mitigate losses on a few bankruptcies with companies that didn't pan out, because that happens to companies across the country every day of the week, even those mom and pop "really good people" companies.

Is he the second coming of Jesus Christ? Absolutely fuggin not - but - and be specific - how is he so bad that you, who I assume has no interaction with the dude outside of what you parrot from hearing on the news or seeing on message boards (which are parroting what is said on the news) - just *know* he is a "terrible" human?

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Banging a porn star while your pregnant 3rd wife is at home makes you a terrible human. Trump also lies with ease and has never cared much about morality. Are there worse humans? No doubt, hell he is probably at least par as far as politicians go. BTW, I've been married 28 years and can't relate to saying that cheating on all 3 of your wives isn't a big deal. To me it just means you are an untrustworthy and selfish person, especially if it is done repeatedly and without remorse (I can at least understand how someone can make a mistake as we are all human). Trump flaunts it.

Trump has done some really good things as well. He's shown generosity with his money and I think he genuinely likes to help people. He gave a lot back to NYC and to Vets in particular. Still none of that really impacted his lifestyle or cost him anything and it doesn't erase the rest. I don't think Trump is some sociopath but he is definitely a narcissist and someone I would never, every trust.

Still I voted for the guy and I'll probably end up voting for him again, I'm just not going to say that he is anything but a terrible human though.

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LMCane said:

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This is so dumb I'm even surprised you posted it attempting to make a point. And that's saying something.

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Have you not been paying attention? It shouldn't surprise you at this point. Some poster exposed themselves long ago and one is running to catch up. The "Aw shucks, and I can't support a man like that, no way no how but I'll vote for him if he's the nominee...

I'll put this bluntly and colorfully, because the most ignorant posters on here are the Desantis fanboys. They scream, like leftist, their ***** doesn't stink but they're being swarmed by flies while hearing the buzzing of their wings thinking it's applause. I don't think I've ever seen a more ignorant collective that thinks they can shout down or drown you with contradictory dissertations. All you can do is point and laugh.

Let's see if they can understand those metaphors.

By the way, I'm a Desantis supporter.

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LMCane said:

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or this

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This is so dumb I'm even surprised you posted it attempting to make a point. And that's saying something.

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Have you not been paying attention? It shouldn't surprise you at this point. Some poster exposed themselves long ago and one is running to catch up. The "Aw shucks, and I can't support a man like that, no way no how but I'll vote for him if he's the nominee...

I'll put this bluntly and colorfully, because the most ignorant posters on here are the Desantis fanboys. They scream, like leftist, their ***** doesn't stink but they're being swarmed by flies while hearing the buzzing of their wings thinking it's applause. I don't think I've ever seen a more ignorant collective that thinks they can shout down or drown you with contradictory dissertations. All you can do is point and laugh.

Let's see if they can understand those metaphors.

By the way, I'm a Desantis supporter.

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I'm a DeSantis supporter, and I have no idea who you are referring to.

No Spin Ag said:

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LMCane said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Agreed.

Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

LMCane said:

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You know whose name isn’t on the Epstein flight logs?@RonDeSantis pic.twitter.com/xKs6f6T5g4

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) January 2, 2024

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Guess who is not on the flight logs? I guess these HS girls were too young for even Epstein.

Market is about to explode up, lower interest rates, more jobs than people.

Biden may get over 81,000,000 this time.

Dont think it matters who runs against ol Joe and the Democrats.

aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These stories may be changing votes in ways you won't like.

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If it ends up with Trump as President I can live with that just fine. My concern is for the General far more than the Primary in the end. I don't see how any of this helps Trump against Biden or D to be named later.

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In the end, how does it hurt him against Biden? Boy you really got it bad!

Science Denier said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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LMCane said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Agreed.

Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

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I forgot that Trump's people insinuated DeSantis was a groomer. Looking back, and knowing maga, it's not surprising.

Science Denier said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Agreed.

Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

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Ah yes, the old MAGA lie brought up.

Multiple media outlets searched that out in 2018 when DeSantis was running for governor the first time.

They found the girls were all 18 or older and the story was dropped.

Of course you MAGA types never found a lie you weren't willing to repeat over and over in defense of your orange god.

Rockdoc said:

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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aggie93 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.

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So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?

I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.

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These stories may be changing votes in ways you won't like.

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If it ends up with Trump as President I can live with that just fine. My concern is for the General far more than the Primary in the end. I don't see how any of this helps Trump against Biden or D to be named later.

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In the end, how does it hurt him against Biden? Boy you really got it bad!

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Well I think about Independent voters who actually determine elections and not Truth Social or Texags so yes, it matters.

If the Epstein stuff really does come out and they decide to bury Clinton (don't need to charge him with a crime but simply show he was likely doing bad things) they will put Trump right next to him. The difference is Trump is running for President. Essentially the best case is you get into an argument of who is the least scummy of the scumbags and with the Left running the media and Trump being his own worst enemy when it comes to his posting and speaking that's not going to go well. If the Dems change out Biden for someone else then it is just Trump the scummy dude vs blank slate.

You just have to look down the chess board, it's pretty easy to see.

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Science Denier said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

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Ah yes, the old MAGA lie brought up.

Multiple media outlets searched that out in 2018 when DeSantis was running for governor the first time.

They found the girls were all 18 or older and the story was dropped.

Of course you MAGA types never found a lie you weren't willing to repeat over and over in defense of your orange god.

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Leave it to the Herpa Derps to continue the lies they started.

Science Denier said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Agreed.

Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

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I called BS on this back in the day, and I'll call it again today.

Those arent' high school girls. They're 30-something ****s. The HS accusation was conjured out of thin air.

HS girls don't wear expensive jewelry watches and wear Mom blouses. Have you ever wondered why those faces were never paired with the yearbook from that year? My guess is that there are no corresponding girls in the yearbook.

Sorry for the derail. I'll now let you get back to accusing DeSantis supporters of playing dirty...

Science Denier said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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The contrast couldn't be greater

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Agreed.

Here is DeSantis with HS girls. Younger.

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So DeSantis in his early 20's and unmarried has a beer and gets a hug from some girls who are over 18 at some party and this is the same as hanging out with Epstein? Alrighty.

Trump has spent his whole life with women 20-40 years younger than himself. Not that big of a stretch.