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Oh joy, graphene oxide again.

Guess we won't be far off from the claims that the shots contain an aluminum-carbon lifeform being recirculated again.

The more out there claims do nothing but help the shot shrills discredit all of legitimate problems these shots cause.

Edit: And before I could even hit post, my point gets proven.

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The explanation the aforementioned doctor gave for weakening/tearing of the aorta (or one of the major coronary arteries? Can't remember) didn't mention "grephene"...it was something else. Seemed like a bi-product of breaking down the vaccine or from spike proteins. I wish I would have saved it.

Edit: Just remembered, it was in the Mike Leach thread. Will try to find.

Edit 2: Damn, looks like thread was deleted.

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It's a meme calling out hypocrisy, you idiot. If you don't see that, I cant help you.

Trying to make the government, CDC, NIAH, etc live up to their own standards.

Clearly not everyone who dies who has been vaccinated is a vaccine death. That's not my position.

But the fact that we cant acknowledge that younger and younger people are suddenly dying and wondering why but they can call someone who got hit by a car and died a COVID death for their super scary tracker is completely ******ed.

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It's a meme that says they did x first so we will do the same. That's not calling out hypocrisy, it's rationalizing you doing it because they did it first.

Big mad.

Zobel said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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It's a meme calling out hypocrisy, you idiot. If you don't see that, I cant help you.

Trying to make the government, CDC, NIAH, etc live up to their own standards.

Clearly not everyone who dies who has been vaccinated is a vaccine death. That's not my position.

But the fact that we cant acknowledge that younger and younger people are suddenly dying and wondering why but they can call someone who got hit by a car and died a COVID death for their super scary tracker is completely ******ed.

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It's a meme that says they did x first so we will do the same. That's not calling out hypocrisy, it's rationalizing you doing it because they did it first.

Big mad.

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You don't know how memes work. That's ok.

It's a meme saying let's watch them get pissy and show their hypocrisy for all to see because we're going to say that we're going to do exactly what they actually did do.

Zobel said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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It's a meme calling out hypocrisy, you idiot. If you don't see that, I cant help you.

Trying to make the government, CDC, NIAH, etc live up to their own standards.

Clearly not everyone who dies who has been vaccinated is a vaccine death. That's not my position.

But the fact that we cant acknowledge that younger and younger people are suddenly dying and wondering why but they can call someone who got hit by a car and died a COVID death for their super scary tracker is completely ******ed.

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It's a meme that says they did x first so we will do the same. That's not calling out hypocrisy, it's rationalizing you doing it because they did it first.

Big mad.

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Not if you're not going to really do it. It's definitely mocking them and highlighting their hypocrisy and absurdity. You think people are really going to start claiming every death of vaccinated person is from the vaccine?

And we're supposed to listen to you play medical expert while goaltending for the perfect (in your mind) Trump vaccine?

Except he is doing it. They posted about some dude tearing an artery playing pickleball and said it was vaccines. the defense was the meme. Weird hill to die on.

Who said it was perfect? Who's goaltending? It just doesn't have graphene in it. Can we start there?

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Except he is doing it. They posted about some dude tearing an artery playing pickleball and said it was vaccines. the defense was the meme. Weird hill to die on.

Who said it was perfect? Who's goaltending? It just doesn't have graphene in it. Can we start there?

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I didnt "defend" anything. it was a blanket reply to this thread, with a smiling emoji, intended to be tongue-in-cheek.

Learn how to read.

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Except he is doing it. They posted about some dude tearing an artery playing pickleball and said it was vaccines. the defense was the meme. Weird hill to die on.

Who said it was perfect? Who's goaltending? It just doesn't have graphene in it. Can we start there?

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No, he is not pretending every death of vaccinated people is from the vaccine, sorry bro. But a growing number of people are naturally highly suspicious when they see daily articles about young healthy people having freak strokes and cardiac issues like this...because we KNOW that the vaccine can, at a minimum, cause myocarditis and clotting in a certain % of the population. And some studies and autopsies have attributed "ascending aorta dissection" (tearing of body's main artery) to the vaccine. I believe this is what happened to Mike Leach but could be wrong?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9598252/

Not a pro but student athlete.

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Colorado College mourns the loss of student-athlete Jack Madison, a member of the men's tennis team who passed away in his sleep while at home on Jan. 2.

"We are devastated by the tragic passing of Jack Madison," Colorado College Vice President and Director of Athletics Lesley Irvine said. "Jack was a treasured member of our men's tennis program and his loss will be profoundly felt throughout the athletics department and campus community."

Madison, from Bexley, Ohio, was recruited to Colorado College as a four-year letterwinner and team captain as a senior at Columbus Academy. He earned a pair of first-team all-state selections and three first-team all-league honors. In addition, he was a state finalist as a sophomore and a senior.

Madison did not play a match for CC as a freshman during the 2021-22 campaign due to injury, but competed for the Tigers during the 2022 fall season. He paired with August Knox to win a match in the 'B' doubles bracket at the Metro State Invitational, and played two singles matches at that tournament.

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LINK

The meme said: "if they could count anyone who had a positive test a COVID death, then we can call anyone who has the vaccine in them a vax death". But I need to learn to read?

The article was about a guy tearing an artery in his neck.

Zobel said:

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The meme said: "if they could count anyone who had a positive test a COVID death, then we can call anyone who has the vaccine in them a vax death". But I need to learn to read?

The article was about a guy reading an artery in his neck.

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Yes, you need to learn to read, and think, IMHO. The poster you are responding to isn't saying that everyone who dies today and has been vaxxed, has died from the vax.

If you want to argue that he is suspicious in this particular case...when we KNOW that the flooding of lymphocytes can cause aorta and arterial tearing...I agree with you. I am suspicious too, but would never say I am 100% certain. I don't think he would either. The aforementioned injury is very f-ing odd to say the least. Your arteries in your neck shouldn't just tear if you turn your head rapidly. Otherwise we'd see football players and athletes in pretty much every sport dying with great r=frequency. People would be dropping dead all the time.

This dude almost certainly had a pre-existing weakened/torn artery.

Not every post below yours is responding to you, unless someone clicks the reply button to what you are saying...

hth.

Or, he could have had his neck in the wrong position. Here's Cleveland clinics article on his type of injury.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23961-vertebral-artery-dissection#

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Injury can also cause dissection. This can happen by keeping your neck in a hyper-flexed position (looking upward) for extended periods. It may also occur with sudden neck movements and trauma.

Activities and other situations that can lead to vertebral artery dissection include:

Car accidents.
Chiropractic adjustment or deep tissue neck massage.
Blowing your nose too hard.
Practicing yoga where hyperextension of your neck occurs.
Painting a ceiling with your neck in an extended position for a long time.
Receiving cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
Sneezing.
Vomiting.
Wrestling.
Heavy weight lifting.
Other causes of neck injury.

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Zobel said:

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Or, he could have had his neck in the wrong position. Here's Cleveland clinics article on his type of injury.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23961-vertebral-artery-dissection#

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Injury can also cause dissection. This can happen by keeping your neck in a hyper-flexed position (looking upward) for extended periods. It may also occur with sudden neck movements and trauma.

Activities and other situations that can lead to vertebral artery dissection include:

Car accidents.
Chiropractic adjustment or deep tissue neck massage.
Blowing your nose too hard.
Practicing yoga where hyperextension of your neck occurs.
Painting a ceiling with your neck in an extended position for a long time.
Receiving cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
Sneezing.
Vomiting.
Wrestling.
Heavy weight lifting.
Other causes of neck injury.

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It's folks like you who are writing the meme's and jokes... you know this, right?

Now this case is an outlier and almost certainly not vaccine related, but until the medical community actually takes the risks to the vaccine seriously, the general population should be super skeptical and vocal about asking the relevant questions. By not aggressively pursuing these issues on a vast scale is further eroding public trust in medicine.

The fact that you come back with every possibility BUT the vaccine is telling. It's getting awfully close to the onus being on those saying that it's definitely not the vaccine. Prove it. Can you show, without a doubt, that this case wasn't due to the vaccine? Again, I'd be really surprised if it was. But then it should be that much easier to prove far beyond reasonable doubt.

Coincidence Theorists pic.twitter.com/ZSK9nics5X

— David Wolfe (@DavidWolfe) January 11, 2023

Why would you consider the vaccine at all? That's the real question.

Zobel said:

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Why would you consider the vaccine at all? That's the real question.

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Infiltration of lymphocytes being shown to weaken/tear certain arteries? It is very possible it is just a freak injury, and that may likely be the case.

But we have CONSTANTLY been lied to about the vaccine...dating all the way back to when Biden, Kamala, Cuomo and many other dems were trying to scare us away from it before its release (for political reasons). You seriously can't count the lies and errors made by the highest and most respected "experts". And big pharma wanted like 75 years to disclose data.

To me, that stinks to high heavens. But yeah, I have been conditioned to automatically suspect fentanyl if a kid dies partying and Covid vaccine if a healthy kid just collapses from cardiac event or dies while sober. Can't help it. Crazy that you don't even think it's possible. You do KNOW that the vaccine can cause myocarditis in young healthy kids and adults right? And you do KNOW that this condition can be deadly, right?

Not only do I think it's possible, I'm really confident that the vaccines cause myocarditis at a rate of around 50 cases per million doses. It can be deadly, but there have been studies done to compare vaccine induced myocarditis vs viral myocarditis and what has been observed from the vaccines is usually self resolving. But, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been some vaccine related deaths. In fact I would be surprised globally if there hadn't been. There are every year from flu vaccines.

That doesn't make it reasonable or logical to see the vaccine behind every heart or artery or clot related incident in the news. Heart disease is the #1 or 2 nonviolent cause of death for every age of adulthood and has been. Hundreds of young people die suddenly every year in the US - you can see a rolling average in CDC Wonder stats going back pre-COVID.

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Not only do I think it's possible, I'm really confident that the vaccines cause myocarditis at a rate of around 50 cases per million doses. It can be deadly, but there have been studies done to compare vaccine induced myocarditis vs viral myocarditis and what has been observed from the vaccines is usually self resolving. But, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been some vaccine related deaths. In fact I would be surprised globally if there hadn't been. There are every year from flu vaccines.

That doesn't make it reasonable or logical to see the vaccine behind every heart or artery or clot related incident in the news. Heart disease is the #1 or 2 nonviolent cause of death for every age of adulthood and has been. Hundreds of young people die suddenly every year in the US - you can see a rolling average in CDC Wonder stats going back pre-COVID.

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I have seen a lot to indicate that there has been a dramatic increase in SADS. From insurance actuaries, etc.

Personally, my main beef has always been the mandates and coercion to get the vaccine. It does nothing to prevent transmission, but even after this was proven, they kept using that as the basis to force it on everyone, or lose your job. Additionally, if it even puts someone at slight risk of complications, it is completely unethical and immoral to force this experimental vaccine...sorry, therapeutic...onto the masses.

I would love to see you in a one on one debate with one of the many doctors/cardiologists that things it is harming too many young people.

Zobel said:

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Why would you consider the vaccine at all? That's the real question.

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I'll play…

Absolutely. Considered it for myself early on. And today I do feel it is massively beneficial for a portion on the population. However, it was clear early on that Covid was not bad for young healthy people. This fact, coupled with the political shifts in recommending the vaccine based on who the president was, made me seriously question it across the board. Especially when the phase 3 trials were finished and Fauci said it was safe in the long term. I figured they were lying about a lot, but that was an obvious lie as the vaccine hadn't been around long enough for there to be a long term.

So there was a time where I didn't think anyone should get it. Yes. Now that there are data showing its effectiveness with two doses in older, at risk, populations, I fully support anyone in that category getting it if they choose. I also support any adult getting it if they do choose even if I personally think it's pointless and risky.

I do think it's abhorrently wrong to give it to a child (under 18) except in very rare cases. The dangers of Covid are virtually zero for those under 18. And there are risks to the vaccine… even if low, it's higher than zero. So it's a net negative to vaccinate youth. Which points to another lie… remember when they were beginning to push the vaccination of grade school children because they said it would stop the spread to older, more vulnerable, people in the household? That reasoning stopped when the finally had to admit that it didn't stop the spread.

So yes, I would consider it if I met an appropriate set of criteria. But being healthy, extremely fit, and relatively young (44) there is no reason to get it. I had Covid almost exactly a year ago, took prescribed ivermectin, and was feeling great within 36 hours, and Covid negative in 96 hours from onset of first symptoms. So my personal gamble was spot on.

I don't agree with the mandates.

I'd be interested to see an increase in heart deaths where both COVID and the vaccines were considered, along with other confounders like reduced access to medical care, increased sedentary behavior, and poorer food habits - all due to lockdowns.

But raw numbers are here:
https://www.sca-aware.org/about-sudden-cardiac-arrest/latest-statistics

OHCA incidence: Children
Based on ROC data, the incidence of EMS-assessed OHCA in children in 2015 was 7,037.[1]
Based on CARES data, in 2020, the location of OHCA in children was most often home (87.5%), followed by a public place (12.2%).

Sports-related SCA/SCD
Sports-related SCA accounted for 39% of SCAs among those <18 years of age, 13% for those 19-25 years of age, and 7% for those 25-34 in a prospective registry of 3,775 SCAs in Portland, OR between 2002-2015.

The incidence of SCD from Lexis Nexis and public media reports during youth sport participation, estimated by the Sport and Fitness Industry Association from 2007-2015, was 1.83 deaths per 10-million athlete years.
Pre-participation screening of 5,169 middle and high school students (mean age 13 years) from 2010-2017 revealed high-risk cardiovascular conditions in 1.47%.

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So 7000 per year, that's 19 per day - in 2015. That should be our baseline. And you can ballpark 5-7 of those are sports related by the one estimate

I meant why would you assume the vaccine was related at all to a dude tearing an artery in his neck when he turned his head while playing pickleball.

Lisa Marie Presley suffers 'cardiac arrest' and is rushed to hospital after being given CPR at home | Daily Mail Online

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Lisa Marie Presley, 54, has been rushed to a hospital after EMTs responded to her home for a possible cardiac arrest, according to TMZ.

Lisa Marie, daughter of Elvis and Priscilla Presley, was just at the Golden Globe Awards on Tuesday night in Beverly Hills.

She and her mother there to see Austin Butler win a Globe for his portrayal of the King of Rock n' Roll, and her father, in the film 'Elvis.

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Move alone, nothing to see here.

17-year-old dies 'suddenly and unexpectedly' after suffering cardiac arrest: 'No explanation as to why' - TheBlaze

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A Las Vegas family is mourning the loss of a teenager who died "suddenly and unexpectedly" after suffering from cardiac arrest.

Jordan Brister, 17, was at school on Jan. 3 when he experienced sudden cardiac arrest. He was found inside one of the school's bathrooms after gym class, his family told KSNV-TV.

School officials provided lifesaving support, and Brister was transported to a nearby hospital. But he died on Sunday, five days after his medical emergency.

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Whatever caused it, you cannot ask about one thing, because that one thing simply cannot be the cause anyway. /Covidians

Oh ***** She must have been cooking from a gas stove! Definitely couldn't be any other thing.

You need 951 cardiac arrests today to meet 2015 baseline. What are we at.. 3?

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You need 951 cardiac arrests today to meet 2015 baseline. What are we at.. 3?

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The massive uptick in euro soccer deaths WAY above the previously consistent average? Just a crazy aberration? Fake news?

I haven't seen a good report on that. It seems like the social media stuff isn't accurate on the baseline. Would love to see something rigorous.

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I meant why would you assume the vaccine was related at all to a dude tearing an artery in his neck when he turned his head while playing pickleball.

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I didn't assume that was the case. I gave an explanation as to what *could* cause it *if* the vaccine played a role. In fact, I said a few times I believed it to be unlikely. I think the real question is why you would automatically assume the vaccine was not the cause? There are a lot of things that could have caused that. A good physician would ask about medical history, medications, what happened at the time of the injury, etc... But to immediately rule out one of the potential causes is silly and a contributor to why there is dwindling confidence in the medical community as asking questions is a big no-no.

And while, on the surface, it looks like a freak accident, I would guess there is some underlying issue going on. Normal healthy people dont tear an artery turning their head wrong. So then you would think someone would ask "what is the underlying issue and what has caused it?" But that isn't allowed anymore. It's simply "don't you dare ask questions because you're wrong!"

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I haven't seen a good report on that. It seems like the social media stuff isn't accurate on the baseline. Would love to see something rigorous.

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The baseline is accurate. FIFA Sudden Death Registry counted just over 600 deaths (dont remember the exact number) from 2014-2018. That number is well documented. But it's hard to find consistent and reliable numbers post vaccine rollout.

Occams razor. If yoga, wrestling, weight lifting, and painting ceilings can cause this, it seems pretty likely that it was related to the strenuous physical activity he was doing at the time.

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Occams razor. If yoga, wrestling, weight lifting, and painting ceilings can cause this, it seems pretty likely that it was related to the strenuous physical activity he was doing at the time.

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Completely agree. Until you start to see more of these outliers, even anecdotally, as a physician. At some point you have to say "events like this are happening more often, why could this be?" It may very well be that more people are doing more strenuous activities increasing the general likelihood of these events. It could also be vaccine related. It could be a cluster of random events appearing to indicate some other cause. Why would you not ask the question?

Edit to add: It could be from Covid infection. Again, why not ask the question? Why would you stop pursuing answers? I understand why pharma doesn't want this looked into, but the general populous? We should all want these questions asked and answered.

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I haven't seen a good report on that. It seems like the social media stuff isn't accurate on the baseline. Would love to see something rigorous.

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This is old, it's honestly hard to get honest search results on google and even duckduckgo. But it has been reported many times that 2021 saw a 4-5x increase in cardiac events in soccer. Could just be a conspiracy like you think, or just a crazy coincidence. Can't think of any sport which stresses your heart more and I would think myocarditis and extreme exertion for long periods of time would be no bueno.

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/500-increase-in-sudden-cardiac-and-unexplained-deaths-among-fifa-athletes-in-2021/

Let's be honest...anything we post, you'll just discredit the source and claim conspiracy to scare people from the vax or something. Ignoring the fact that those on your side have lied and been wrong over and over and over again. WAY more than they've been right.

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Zobel said:

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You need 951 cardiac arrests today to meet 2015 baseline. What are we at.. 3?

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The massive uptick in euro soccer deaths WAY above the previously consistent average? Just a crazy aberration? Fake news?

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the FIFA player deaths data was compiled by a Dr. in Israel or something so instead of following that up with a desire to perform a real credible study, everyone is supposed to totally dismiss it and ignore it immediately.... and of course go boost yourself.

Like I said. Something rigorous.