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You realize this is the same paper we discussed a few posts above right? The one with the p-hacking, and apples and oranges comparison?

Further info.

Remember the preprint that claimed COVID vaccines caused significant adverse effects, beloved by contrarians? Well it's now been published in an @ElsevierConnect journal - it *really* shouldn't have been, as it remains hot flaming garbage. Here's why...

STRAP IN, IT'S GRIM.. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/Us4eNqJbVP

— Dr David Robert Grimes (@drg1985) September 2, 2022

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There is mounting evidence that the rebuttals to his study are hot flaming garbage. He is using classical evidence-based reasoning in this study. How 100% of studies were based prior to Covid. 100%. There has been a huge shift in what is acceptable as far as the quantitative metrics in these studies goes. Of course this new science religion is going to disagree with the methods done... my point in what I posted above. I chose to focus on the mounting evidence coming from every direction that those phase 3 trials are hot garbage with a dead hooker on top. Super thankful for people like this willing to risk their careers and reputations to seek the truth, whatever that may be. It's interesting how the findings differ when doctors are simply seeking the truth vs when they're funded by pharma and dollar signs are driving the intentions.

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Talked to somebody this afternoon that took his kid to a pediatrician for a sports physical. Doc said wouldn't sign off on a sports physical for kids that have been vaccinated.

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Our pediatrician says the exact same thing. Just took our 11 year old in for a physical before basketball tryouts in mid december and that was the first thing she asked. I asked why and she was very frank about it. She said almost verbatim, "I dont want to get sued when I sign off and your daughter collapses during practice."

But she's probably a conspiracy theorist whack job.

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I was called trash on the premium board for asking this same question.

After 13 pages of speculation of what happened, my asking last vax date was first berated and then removed.

Absolutely ****ing ridiculous

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It's that way everywhere, but Premium and F84 are the worst. At least here is can be discussed, even though the Covidians try to swarm and shout down everyone who isn't onboard with endless shots or thinks there is risk.

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I'm telling you, covidians are looking to be public enemy #1. Keep note... not here really, but in your personal lives. Those folks need to be noted and kept at arms length. The most dangerous kind of person these past three years, hands down.

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I'm convinced any Covidians that are left are actually just trolling everyone and they're really good at it

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There are a still a few true believers as this and several other threads on F16 show.

Anyone who will spend 12+ hours a day, everyday, writing thousands and thousands of words to defend the Fauci juice is a true believer.

I would want to beat that doctors ass so bad.. would settle for berating him until he left the room

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Woods Ag said:

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I was called trash on the premium board for asking this same question.

After 13 pages of speculation of what happened, my asking last vax date was first berated and then removed.

Absolutely ****ing ridiculous

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It's that way everywhere, but Premium and F84 are the worst. At least here is can be discussed, even though the Covidians try to swarm and shout down everyone who isn't onboard with endless shots or thinks there is risk.

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I'm telling you, covidians are looking to be public enemy #1. Keep note... not here really, but in your personal lives. Those folks need to be noted and kept at arms length. The most dangerous kind of person these past three years, hands down.

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1000%

They are my enemy. I'm not mincing words. I ****ing hate them.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35422288/air-force-says-ol-hunter-brown-dies-medical-emergency


The Air Force Academy said OL Hunter Brown died after experiencing a medical emergency as he left his dormitory for class Monday. He was 21

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35422288/air-force-says-ol-hunter-brown-dies-medical-emergency


The Air Force Academy said OL Hunter Brown died after experiencing a medical emergency as he left his dormitory for class Monday. He was 21

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This is normal. Has always happened. Look away.

Seriously though. If the heart issues were so overwhelmingly due to getting infected, and the vaccines worked, the push for vaccines would still be going full speed ahead… unrelenting. That's not the case. The temperature has cooled dramatically. Fauci isn't in tv every night telling you you'll die if you don't get it. Biden's dumb ass isn't saying you're going to go through a winter of death if you don't get poked. If it was Covid causing this, the pressure to get the vax would be stronger than ever. They even removed the vax requirement for the military today. It's from the vaccine. The science backs it. It's backed even more anecdotally. New studies support that hypothesis every day.

Linemen historically have a higher incidence of...blah blah blah. These deaths are pilling up

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So The recent Damar Hamlin thing….guy is in game and tackles someone, taking a hit direct to his chest from the shoulder of the guy he tackled…stands up and then collapses a few seconds later.

There are posters here who'd guess COVID-19 vaccine was the cause of his collapse, not taking a direct hit to his chest a few seconds earlier?

Hopefully nobody is actually going that full 'conspiraloon'. The Hamlin incident it is cut and dry what happened. He took a direct hit to the chest playing a violent sport.

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We can no longer deny, and studies support, the contention that the vaccine increases the risk of myocarditis, particularly in young men like Hamlin. Additionally, it is perfectly reasonable, and many physicians share the concern, that myocarditis can increase the risk of arrhythmias caused by impacts to the chest. It is not conspiratorial. It is reasonable to suspect the vaccine may have contributed to the collapse.

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Naw, the Hamlin case is definitely in the 'conspiratorial' category…if somebody is pushing an anti-vax hypothesis storyline RE Hamlin then they are prone to believe conspiracies. Is what it is.

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It's absolutely not. The thing everyone is clinging to, commotio cordis, is so highly unlikely that to assume that was the cause is akin to thinking Covid started from someone eating a bat. Utterly ridiculous. Especially now that more info is out, namely he coded again in the hospital.

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I had dinner last Friday night with a Harvard-educated cardiologist. This guy - as you might imagine - has done well, like well enough to fund endowments in the Ivy League. The topic of Damar Hamlin came up, and he confessed he hadn't followed any news since the injury, but that he thought it looked like a case of commotio cordis. For the first time in his life, he was probably surprised that the other guys at the table already knew this. The point is, he clearly exercised Occam's razor, even though he is well aware of the 20+ years of research that have gone into mRNA vaccines. So yeah, Harvard cardiologist vs texags internet conspiracist? Gonna go with the cardiologist on this one.

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Talked to somebody this afternoon that took his kid to a pediatrician for a sports physical. Doc said wouldn't sign off on a sports physical for kids that have been vaccinated.

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Thank God for the HEB clinic.

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I can't believe that there are college-educated people that still tout the WAV "vax"*. Especially for something as weak as COVID was.

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Let's ask Pelayo what he thinks.

Yes, commotio cordis, not the vax.

I just hope and pray that football players don't have to start geting hit in the chest on tackles. Oh, the humanity. Bodies will pile up.

OR...

Damar Hamlin has made this tackle thousands of times, as have all football players, and now, after the NFL pushed the vax extremely hard, he basically dies on the field.

It's logical to question what's going on.

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Yes, commotio cordis, not the vax.

I just hope and pray that football players don't have to start geting hit in the chest on tackles. Oh, the humanity. Bodies will pile up.

OR...

Damar Hamlin has made this tackle thousands of times, as have all football players, and now, after the NFL pushed the vax extremely hard, he basically dies on the field.

It's logical to question what's going on.

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Time will shut them up. It's not the last time this will happen in a very public way. It's going to be noticeable. They won't have a choice but to admit the truth. And it's not like we want an "I told you so" moment. Personally I'm furious that the powers that be intentionally duped so many. I just want those that have been duped to see the reality of what's going on.

Zobel said:

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You realize this is the same paper we discussed a few posts above right? The one with the p-hacking, and apples and oranges comparison?

Further info.

Remember the preprint that claimed COVID vaccines caused significant adverse effects, beloved by contrarians? Well it's now been published in an @ElsevierConnect journal - it *really* shouldn't have been, as it remains hot flaming garbage. Here's why...

STRAP IN, IT'S GRIM.. 🧵 pic.twitter.com/Us4eNqJbVP

— Dr David Robert Grimes (@drg1985) September 2, 2022

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You realize that a peer-reviewed study carries more weight than a blog post for which you provided a link right? Are we doing the thing where we link to blog post as evidence to overturn peer-review? Nice.

So peer review we like is iron clad, peer review we don't is bought and paid for by pharma? Forget the appeal to authority. Engage with the facts. The paper is trash, because the methodology is suspect.

You know this is a re-analysis of an initial paper that was published in NEJM right? So why do you go with this analysis over that?

Peer review is no guarantee, papers get withdrawn. That's why you don't rely on one paper.

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Former Barbe football player Hunter Brown has died.

The U.S. Air Force Academy, where Brown, 21, was a Cadet 3rd Class and football player, announced his death Tuesday afternoon.

Brown suffered a medical emergency Monday morning while leaving his dorm on the way to class, according to the Air Force Academy. First responders were called and attempted life-saving measures.

"With heavy hearts we share the loss of a cadet," the Academy posted on Twitter. "C3C Hunter Brown died Monday after suffering a medical emergency while on his way to class. Our thoughts are with his family, friends, teammates and fellow cadets."

Brown was assigned to Cadet Squadron 16 and was pursuing a major in management, and a minor in French. Brown was part of back-to-back winning seasons in 2021 and 2022 with Falcon football. Brown graduated from the U.S. Air Force Academy Preparatory School in May 2021.

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https://www.kplctv.com/2023/01/10/former-barbe-football-player-dies/

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that's horrendous

I was just watching the AFA versus Baylor beatdown on vacation.

very sad.

disagree

here in the DC area every few minutes there is a radio or TV ad for vaccines.

I just heard one yesterday that if you haven't had a booster in TWO MONTHS you should get one now. State of Maryland sends texts to my phone to update my booster shots (I have never had a booster)

From the funny political meme thread courtesy of the Babylon Bee:

Experts Say They Don't Know What Thing Is Causing Everyone To Suddenly Collapse, But It's Definitely Not That One Thing

U.S. Medical experts are absolutely stumped as to what could be causing the recent uptick in healthy, young people everywhere that are suddenly collapsing with heart failure. Despite their uncertainty, experts do feel confident that we can rule out that one thing as the culprit.

"It's too early to say what could be causing this, but it's never too early to say what isn't causing this," said local expert, Dr. Scott Rufflinger. "This could be caused by anything. But the one thing we know for certain is that it's definitely not what we're all thinking that's behind this if you know what I mean. We can go ahead and rule that thing out right now because Science just called us on the phone and told us not to discuss it. We always follow Science."

According to sources, experts have been working tirelessly around the clock to try and get to the bottom of why so many seemingly perfectly healthy, athletic people are falling over suddenly. "I wish I could point to something in the past year or two that large groups of people were exposed to, or forced into, but nothing comes to mind," added Dr. Rufflinger. "If only there was one thing all these patients had in common."

At publishing time, experts said they had narrowed down the list of what most likely was causing these sudden health issues down to: climate change, racism, Christian Nationalism, standing up too quickly, standing up too slowly, and not eating enough bugs.

I heard Damar Hamlin coded twice, once on the field and once on the way to the hospital.

If there was no secondary kinetic impact to stop his heart in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, wouldnt that indicate it was not CC? Just asking.

Also, anyone thing that he will ever play FB again? I certainly wouldn't. If it was a freak accident, like CC, he should be good to go...unless....

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I heard Damar Hamlin coded twice, once on the field and once on the way to the hospital.

If there was no secondary kinetic impact to stop his heart in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, wouldnt that indicate it was not CC? Just asking.

Also, anyone thing that he will ever play FB again? I certainly wouldn't. If it was a freak accident, like CC, he should be good to go...unless....

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Yes… seen many interviews with cardiologists ruling that out, for all intents and purposes. None had ever heard of someone coding twice due to CC, especially considering the immediate attention Hamlin received.

If they are certain its not CC....are they then implying Myocarditis or what other condition would allow for coding twice?


Also, is there any sort of thought how long after COVID vaccine these events occur? Would he likely have been boosted in the past 2 or 3 months? Sooner? Could it come on even later than 3 months?

The identified myocarditis risk is within a few days after the shot.

Are You Suffering From a Medical Coincidence?

pic.twitter.com/Iy6mVYvSGO

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) January 11, 2023

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I heard Damar Hamlin coded twice, once on the field and once on the way to the hospital.

If there was no secondary kinetic impact to stop his heart in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, wouldnt that indicate it was not CC? Just asking.

Also, anyone thing that he will ever play FB again? I certainly wouldn't. If it was a freak accident, like CC, he should be good to go...unless....

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I don't know. It's not every weekend that I get to have dinner with a renowned cardiologist. Certainly not my expertise. As a Ph.D. chemist who designs very different molecules, speaking to a cardiologist who is at the extreme application end of medicinal chemistry, we were having a fun conversation "meeting in the middle" in our appreciation for the chemical research happening with modern marvels such as PCR, CRISPR, mRNA vaccines, cancer immunotherapy, etc.

If I see him again I'll ask why someone would code twice.

He could probably play football again, but I doubt the league will let him. He may have sustained someother organ damage due to going without O2, idk.

I think he might play as long as, as you mentioned, he did not suffer other organ damage.

I realize football is in a different league as far as intensity (physical / hitting) but the professional soccer players in Europe who collapsed...if they lived...most returned to the pitch with some sort of implant, etc. Hopefully the same for him.

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If they are certain its not CC....are they then implying Myocarditis or what other condition would allow for coding twice?


Also, is there any sort of thought how long after COVID vaccine these events occur? Would he likely have been boosted in the past 2 or 3 months? Sooner? Could it come on even later than 3 months?

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They weren't trying to imply anything else. Just stating how CC would be virtually impossible if, in fact, he coded twice. Just saying that the rumors of CC were way off base.

And highest risk for adverse reactions still tends to be one to three weeks post injection. But mounting evidence of permanent damage due to the swelling of the heart and swelling to membranes around the heart. And this is mainly in young people (depending on the study referenced that's considered anywhere from under 25 to under 36), and disproportionately male.

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If they are certain its not CC....are they then implying Myocarditis or what other condition would allow for coding twice?


Also, is there any sort of thought how long after COVID vaccine these events occur? Would he likely have been boosted in the past 2 or 3 months? Sooner? Could it come on even later than 3 months?

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They weren't trying to imply anything else. Just stating how CC would be virtually impossible if, in fact, he coded twice. Just saying that the rumors of CC were way off base.

And highest risk for adverse reactions still tends to be one to three weeks post injection. But mounting evidence of permanent damage due to the swelling of the heart and swelling to membranes around the heart. And this is mainly in young people (depending on the study referenced that's considered anywhere from under 25 to under 36), and disproportionately male.

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Ok. I am not vaxxed and have been firmly against the mandates from Day 1.

I was just curious if CC definitely does not code twice....what does? I assume then it would something tied to some sort of heart disease related to the swelling etc (maybe / maybe not from vaccine).

These cases are sad to hear. I truly hope the issues we see are people being recently boosted b/c if permanent damage is lingering and hitting kids late...not good. Maybe an Echo is going to be a new standard of review for physicals....

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Former Barbe football player Hunter Brown has died.

The U.S. Air Force Academy, where Brown, 21, was a Cadet 3rd Class and football player, announced his death Tuesday afternoon.

Brown suffered a medical emergency Monday morning while leaving his dorm on the way to class, according to the Air Force Academy. First responders were called and attempted life-saving measures.

"With heavy hearts we share the loss of a cadet," the Academy posted on Twitter. "C3C Hunter Brown died Monday after suffering a medical emergency while on his way to class. Our thoughts are with his family, friends, teammates and fellow cadets."

Brown was assigned to Cadet Squadron 16 and was pursuing a major in management, and a minor in French. Brown was part of back-to-back winning seasons in 2021 and 2022 with Falcon football. Brown graduated from the U.S. Air Force Academy Preparatory School in May 2021.

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https://www.kplctv.com/2023/01/10/former-barbe-football-player-dies/

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"Looks like a possible OLineman. Young OLinemen just randomly drop dead ALL THE TIME. This is very common, not rare at all." /Vax man-daters

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can you share this evidence, please?

I love how the conspiraloons mention the vax, but don't mention the virus. All these posts mention, "he was vaxxed," but are silent as to whether he had the virus.

I am open to scientific inquiry, but not by Twitter posters.

The spike proteins in the vax causing heart damage? Well, guess what the virus has...

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Woods Ag said:

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I was called trash on the premium board for asking this same question.

After 13 pages of speculation of what happened, my asking last vax date was first berated and then removed.

Absolutely ****ing ridiculous

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It's that way everywhere, but Premium and F84 are the worst. At least here is can be discussed, even though the Covidians try to swarm and shout down everyone who isn't onboard with endless shots or thinks there is risk.

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I'm telling you, covidians are looking to be public enemy #1. Keep note... not here really, but in your personal lives. Those folks need to be noted and kept at arms length. The most dangerous kind of person these past three years, hands down.

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ABSOLUTELY. Been screaming this from the mountain tops. A lot of my friends are waking up.

It is actually pretty frightening how easily they were mass-brainwashed and weaponized. Foaming at the mouth with hatred and vengeance at the thought that anyone would refuse the vaccinations. Never mind the fact that their religious leaders (Biden, Kamala, Cuomo etc.) were saying they would not trust the vaccine and were trying to scare people from it just months before...when Trump was still in office. Also never mind how it was shown relatively early on that they did virtually nothing to prevent the spread to others...that didn't matter...they had become weaponized fervent religious zealots by that point.

Then the mandates...virtually everyone on the left, and even some on the right, wanted you and I fired from our jobs and for our families to suffer if we refused to comply. Polls show that 48% of them wanted anyone who "spreads misinformation" or "questions efficacy of the vaccines" fined or imprisoned...60% of them wanted the unvaxxed forcibly quarantined or institutionalized...and 30% wanted children taken away from the unvaxxed until they complied.

This was by far the biggest eye opener of my lifetime and I am disheartened that EVERYONE on the right was not shaken to the core over this. I made a pledge to buy at least a box of ammunition every time I step into an Academy after all of this. Think of how the hate fueled brown shirt masses could be weaponized going fwd. It's not a leap to suggest that things could possibly get much worse than what we saw.

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I love how the conspiraloons mention the vax, but don't mention the virus. All these posts mention, "he was vaxxed," but are silent as to whether he had the virus.

I am open to scientific inquiry, but not by Twitter posters.

The spike proteins in the vax causing heart damage? Well, guess what the virus has...

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This is possible. I have seen studies that indicate that it is more prevalent among the vaxxed though. And also, we didn't see such crazy jumps in SADS until after rollout of the vaccines.

But let's say it's the same % chance...or even lower chance of myocarditis or clotting with the vaccine. The vaccine would still be putting a young healthy person at some level of additional risk. So it absolutely should NOT be forced on them...and all mandates are wrong.

I think there is a lot that will be revealed in the coming months/years though. The good news, is I believe most vaxxed will be perfectly fine. I would not be religiously getting boosted though...Have heard plenty of doctors suggesting that it is starting to look like there is a correlation between number of vaccines/boosters and weakened/compromised immune systems. Anecdotally, my in laws are pretty much almost always sick and fatigued now, and look like they have aged 5 years in the last year alone. My parents only took the original and seem to be fairing much better, but my dad had longer bouts of lingering sickness this last winter than he ever has before.

I wish I was a COVID conspiracy theorist early on instead if getting vaccinated. I'm in heart failure. The conspiracy theorists are doing just fine.

— Ryan Cunningham (@rycunni) January 9, 2023