This Celtics player was practicing at my undergrad alma mater and died on the court:

Reggie Lewis

Lewis dies at age 27 on Brandeis Court

I wouldn't be so sure about "completely reasonable"

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welp, all those deaths and collapses have already been DEBOOOOONKED by the vaccine worshippers. Website not credible. Website doesn't include x data. Website listed unnamed hockey player. therefore, everyone, young and healthy especially, better stop being conspiraloons. Stop asking questions and go get triple boosted. Immediately.

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Broken people actually want to invalidate the data that might be really inconvenient if they stop ignoring it or heaven forbid, validate it.

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FIFY. Let's just keep ignoring all the dead people and get everyone vaccinated, no matter what questions the consipraloons ask. One website used "unnamed hockey player" so it must all be ignored completely.

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welp, all those deaths and collapses have already been DEBOOOOONKED by the vaccine worshippers. Website not credible. Website doesn't include x data. Website listed unnamed hockey player. therefore, everyone, young and healthy especially, better stop being conspiraloons. Stop asking questions and go get triple boosted. Immediately.

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Broken people actually want to invalidate the data that might be really inconvenient if they stop ignoring it or heaven forbid, validate it.

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FIFY. Let's just keep ignoring all the dead people and get everyone vaccinated, no matter what questions the consipraloons ask. One website used "unnamed hockey player" so it must all be ignored completely.

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Feel free to search through any of my posts for anything even remotely pushing people to get vaccinated. I couldn't care less what people do and find the bragging about vaccines one way or the other to be really strange.

I mostly just think people who see a conspiracy behind every corner are idiots, especially when using a site that has questionable data, at best. And if your first instinct after seeing a kid collapse on a football field and get taken to a hospital is to run to a college football message board and comment about it being because of a vaccine with zero evidence of that, you're both an idiot and an *******.

I recall some basketball players:
Jason Collier
Conrad McRae
Reggie Lewis
Pete Maravich

In 1971 the NFL lost Chuck Hughes from a heart attack on the field.
They put an oxygen mask on him and transported him off the field and kept playing.


There is something called "Athlete's Heart"
Think about it.
Pheidippides supposedly uttered "NIKE", then collapsed and died after the battle of Marathon.
Those 26 miles did him in.

I didn't run here after the MNF injury last night to post about vaccines. I only saw this discussion already going today about athletes collapsing and posted the link to the FIFA data from last year. People can debunk all the athletes collapsing all they want because there's something they don't like about that website, but that really should be getting peoples' attention for a real study. Sadly, it's not.

What the angle of covid vax supporters? Is it to appear enlightened (accepting everything your rulers tell you is not this)? Is it fear because they may already have a ticking time bomb inside them?

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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Do you know for a fact that the vax didn't contribute to it?
If so, how?

Can we not discuss this without calling people names?
Of course we can't. A lot of the same folks calling people names, were mandating vaccines for our kids.

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SunrayAg said:

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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Yeah, because either asking a question or making a comment about something that is absolutely a current issue is so conspirlooney!!!!

Good God - it's a fuggin message board, that's what people do on it. Not like we are at the bedside of the player arguing over who gets what of his while he's still alive and can hear everybody.

Fact - the NFL had a vaccine mandate to keep playing
Fact - hear issues have trended upwards in the last year or two, with the only real change being vaccines and boosters

It's not a stretch to wonder if the two are potentially tied together. It's not some egregiously awful thing to make a statement or ask a question on a fuggin message board. Grow a pair, quit being such a poon and learn how to ignore the things that upset your delicate sensibilities.

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Well……….there's also that "real change" of people having actually had COVID, which has been known to cause some long term heart damage in people.

They don't. They're just being good boys

580,000 excess deaths and rising at 7400 per week since the vax, yet it's safe and effective?

580,000 dead (not from Covid)

...and rising at 7,400 per week.

Don't trust lazy clowns, no matter their title, gluttonous appetite for celebrity, nor degree. pic.twitter.com/GYJnlHnLrW

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) January 1, 2023

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You seem completely reasonable.

But in honesty I doubt you'll find many people in the views you're describing here on this forum.

If there's a lesson in the past few years it's that people in general can be weaponized and driven to hatred by propaganda and social media. It's not a phenomenon exclusive to the left.

In the end the real stupidity is that opinions on the efficacy and safety of a vaccine has become a political litmus test.

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Trying to whataboutism isn't going to give you a soft landing. Your cheerleading uniform is still showing.

When did he get the vax?
These people seem smart, right?
We should listen to them.

To anyone saying we don't need to talk about vax status or the possibility that Damar Hamlin had an adverse reaction to it, screw you. When the hell else would be appropriate to talk about it? How many lives will have to be at stake or lost for it to matter?

— ArkanSassy Momma (@ArkanSassyMomma) January 3, 2023

If vax talk was not censored perhaps Damar Hamlin would not be on LIFE SUPPORT. No trust for NARRATIVE CONTROLLERS #DiedSuddendly Prayers don’t change DOA. Was he?
They still want to jab our kids!!! WE NEED TO #TalkAboutIt https://t.co/ClXbimDDAC

— Okletsdothis1954 (@babyducks1954) January 3, 2023

Hello Sports Entertainment! Hope you're well.
Please let me introduce you to Reality.
Really necessary to meet you.

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What the angle of covid vax supporters? Is it to appear enlightened (accepting everything your rulers tell you is not this)? Is it fear because they may already have a ticking time bomb inside them?

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I'm not a "vax supporter" .. not even sure what that means. I think the evidence shows that the vaccines are remarkably safe and they work very well at preventing severe COVID. They were awesome against earlier strains at preventing all symptomatic infection but virus mutation reduced that a lot. I never supported vaccine mandates and I thought the weaponization of the general duty clause was particularly egregious and cowardly.

A lot of the discussions on here present laughable arguments and evidence mixed with actual crack pot conspiracy theories. There's a lot of overlap with people who were on the qanon thread and people who are 9-11 truthers. This forum has had people saying the vaccines have graphene, embedded microchips, and all kind of other nonsense.

I enjoy reading medical literature, I try to have a "scout mindset" to find the truth, and even though it's a vice, I like arguing. So these discussions are fun for me.

I don't believe any of the nonsense about chips or graphing. I also get all my vaxes (save for this one).

A lot of smoke.

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As long as no one risks being called a loon for even wondering if the covid vax might be attributable at all or suggests that an investigation and real study should be commenced, it's all just anecdotal. Just don't ask questions, you silly conspiraloons.

5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021 😳https://t.co/VWvJYMLIQ0 pic.twitter.com/CyYrpXNdlZ

— James Freeman (@JamesfWells) November 16, 2021

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Let's just say that data is true. That could also come from the COVID virus itself which is known to cause myocarditis. I mean you guys have absolutely no clue what the vaccination status of the athletes in question even is, but you're acting like you are stating facts. I just find it ironic that this board was downplaying the risk of myocarditis before the vaccine and now that the vaccine has a small risk of myocarditis, a lot of y'all are talking about how terrible it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/13/serena-williams-blood-clot-wimbledon

Serena Williams famously almost died from blood clots in 2011. Sometimes cardiac events happen.

I've seen very little actual data to suggest that the very limited number of cardiac events in professional athletes is statistically significant in volume. There's plenty of data showing the vaccine is safe - especially in comparison to COVID infection, even specifically on the subject of cardiac health.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~50%2B

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

This data is out of date, but still relevant... All-cause mortality is lower in vaccinated populations than unvaccinated across ALL demographics.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/

Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls.


You say its safe? Safe for whom? Not for teenage boys who have a HIGHER chance of heart damage from the Vaccines than from being hospitalized from the virus.

During the last six months, 98% of all reported covid deaths have occurred in nations where more than 1 vaccine dose has been administered per person.

Essentially no deaths are occurring in the unvaccinated nations. pic.twitter.com/QIG7CyMJwc

— PLC (@Humble_Analysis) December 2, 2022

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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Do you know for a fact that the vax didn't contribute to it?
If so, how?

Can we not discuss this without calling people names?
Of course we can't. A lot of the same folks calling people names, were mandating vaccines for our kids.

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Of course I don't, but nobody knows that the vax contributed to it either. How about we at least give it the 48-rule and wait?

My issue is with people suggesting, or outright saying, it was the vax when there is no clear evidence of such. The thought of Commotio Cordis has more evidence to it than the vax.

Odd…..a quick search in Google and Duck Duck Go turns up page after page of articles discussing COVID's impact on the heart of some patients.

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Odd…..a quick search in Google and Duck Duck Go turns up page after page of articles discussing COVID's impact on the heart of some patients.

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Okay, I just posted a study. Contact the authors if you disagree with it.

Even if the virus impacts the heart, we know the "vaccine" does as well, so why double up? Especially since 6-10 years of safety studies was skipped in the name of profit.

Cancer is the next bombshell to drop

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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Do you know for a fact that the vax didn't contribute to it?
If so, how?

Can we not discuss this without calling people names?
Of course we can't. A lot of the same folks calling people names, were mandating vaccines for our kids.

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Of course I don't, but nobody knows that the vax contributed to it either. How about we at least give it the 48-rule and wait?

My issue is with people suggesting, or outright saying, it was the vax when there is no clear evidence of such. The thought of Commotio Cordis has more evidence to it than the vax.

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I wonder if there's anything a football player could wear to disperse a blow to the chest like the heart guards they use in youth baseball and softball? I wonder any kind of pads?

Voldermort, Voldermort, Voldermort.

Don't say it. Except to your loved ones.

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no matter how many times you say this it remains untrue.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2772943

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They've done 6-10 years of studies on the covid vaccines? Love to see those long term studies.

Pom poms!

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Odd…..a quick search in Google and Duck Duck Go turns up page after page of articles discussing COVID's impact on the heart of some patients.

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But what about Covid-recovered patients? I mean, if some morbidly obese elderly person can barely breath on their own in the hospital, I'd suspect that their heart would be struggling as well.

Are there studies showing that Covid is equally or more likely to cause myocarditis in young healthy people than the vaccine itself? Until then, I'm not really listening. It shouldn't be difficult for the science/medical community to come to a consensus...but that would assume that they were largely honest bodies with no agenda one way or the other.

I don't remember hearing about young people freakishly collapsing or dying suddenly before mass rollout of the vax and mandates. Seems like we wouldn't see such a tremendous spike on the graphs that correlate to timing of the vaccine rollout.

It's a massive concern. And the fact that so many, here and elsewhere, including doctors, just shut down and shame those asking these questions is in and of itself proof enough that the questions need to be asked. There is more than enough data to justify not only hypothesizing about widespread vaccine related injuries and deaths, but to see it as a real problem that needs addressing. These same doctors would classify a cancer death as a covid death because the patient tested positive, but now find any other reason to explain the heart related issues happening other than the vaccine. Not calling anyone out, but it's interesting.

Being intimately involved with big insurance policies across industries for years, it's not a debate that the medical industry, as a whole, is completely controlled by pharma. Medicine simply does what pharma says. So it's not surprising to see doctors toe pharma's line. It's literally their life blood. They have to. Don't blame them from a psychological level. They got into the profession with great intentions, but the reality of the industry doesn't align. What are they to do? Simply bail? Well, yes, but that's easier said than done. Know many wonderful doctors who have chosen the different sides of that coin.

Point being, yes, this vaccine is having devastating effects on the younger population around the world. I wont post here, but you can find videos of clots that patholgists are pulling out of childrens legs/arms/bodies during autopsies that will absolutely shock you. This type of thing hasn't been seen in long careers of of these pathologists and there is no real explanation other than these grand "conspiracy theories."

I have one study, can't find it online right now, but showing, as of Oct 2022, 1,300+ sudden cardiac arrests in athletes since Jan of 2021. Average in the 20 years before was 21 per year.

I actually found this one that uses a lot of the same data in the one I have a hard copy of. Numbers are slightly different due to several differences in data collection methods, but it's close enough to get the point.

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

Since everyone freaked out by a few people even asking what Hamlin's vax status was, I'm hoping this can be an actual conversation about it. They all wanted it to be in the Political Forum for some reason, even though I don't see it as political, so that's why I added it here...

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When did he get the vax?
These people seem smart, right?
We should listen to them.

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I never said he got the vax.
In fact, it seems highly unlikely that the vax had anything to do with this.
But the OP started a thread on athletes who were injured/died suddenly and it didn't take long for the name calling.


Also, you should know better than listening to "smart" people. Many of these "smart" people were mandating vaccines to our kids and telling us that Ivermectin is for horses.\

FWIW, visited one of the top cardiologists in the world. Cardio said he was glad his employer didn't mandate boosters. And said don't take the MRNA vaccines.

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Other countries, Australia among them, have recommended those under 30 NOT get the vaccine because of known impact to the heart.

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this isn't true. australia recommended against a third booster - the fifth shot - but still recommends the first two boosters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australia-recommends-against-fifth-vaccine-dose-fresh-covid-wave-builds-2022-11-15/

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Other countries, Australia among them, have recommended those under 30 NOT get the vaccine because of known impact to the heart.

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And Australia was one of the most hardcore Covidian countries of all of the developed nations. This should speak volumes to everyone.

Especially after so many of our "renowned" doctors were trying desperately to push it on pregnant women and small children.

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Other countries, Australia among them, have recommended those under 30 NOT get the vaccine because of known impact to the heart.

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this isn't true. australia recommended against a third booster - the fifth shot - but still recommends the first two boosters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australia-recommends-against-fifth-vaccine-dose-fresh-covid-wave-builds-2022-11-15/

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The boosters are great right? Why would Australia want to harm people under 30??? Why don't they care about teens and young adults? From the point of view of the people proudly getting their children boosted and posting it to social media, like several of my "friends" on Instagram, how could this be seen as anything other than pure evil?

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this isn't true. australia recommended against a third booster - the fifth shot - but still recommends the first two boosters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australia-recommends-against-fifth-vaccine-dose-fresh-covid-wave-builds-2022-11-15/

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Because most already have them?

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2772943

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They've done 6-10 years of studies on the covid vaccines? Love to see those long term studies.

Pom poms!

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wrong part. they didn't skip them because they weren't required.

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The median number of patients in the prelicensure safety database was 6710...and the median follow-up for serious adverse events was 6 months. The median aggregated number of patients enrolled among all pivotal efficacy trials supporting a given vaccine approval was 4961.

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the mRNA vaccines had roughly ten times the number of patients in their critical trial and an average safety follow-up time of six months.