"I do think that legislators will revisit the issue especially because the Florida Supreme Court recently changed the rules in Florida saying that you could have a death penalty verdict without a unanimous decision," Aronberg said. "That's new, and so it's up to the Legislature to decide whether it wants to change the law."

Michael Satz, the lead prosecutor, called him worse than Ted Bundy.

The state of Florida spent more than $2 million trying, and ultimately failing, to obtain a death sentence for the man who shot and killed 17 victims at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, according to the Broward State Attorney's Office.

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One of the three jurors in the Parkland school massacre case who was against the death penalty for Nikolas Cruz told CNN Friday she did not make her decision until the "very last minute."

Ultimately, she was persuaded to vote for life without parole because she "felt that the system failed" Cruz repeatedly throughout his life, from the schools he attended to mental health professionals who evaluated him.

"I saw several pieces of evidence where several (experts had) recommended (Cruz) be in a residential facility. That never happened," said Melody Vanoy, who was a juror in the case.

Vanoy described a hostile environment which arose among the jurors with whom she said had bonded during the months long trial at the end of deliberations and after their paperwork was filled out.

"There were negative sarcastic remarks," Vanoy said. "I heard comments like, 'we're going to let the families down.'"

"I felt disrespected, despite the relationships that we had built," she added. "The energy was so heated that we wanted to get out of that room. They had to take us down for over 30 minutes to just give us fresh air so we can move around and separate. That's how heated it got."

"It got ugly," Vanoy said.

Vanoy also told CNN there were one woman on the jury panel who was "not moving" from her stance against the death penalty. "So whether we took 10 hours or five days (of deliberating), she didn't feel she was going to be moved either way."

Would anyone here think his sentence is fair if he actually had to serve all seventeen life sentences (if it was possible for him to live that long)? Like if each life sentence was considered eighty years, he would have to serve 1,360 years.

lethalninja said:

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Would anyone here think his sentence is fair if he actually had to serve all seventeen life sentences (if it was possible for him to live that long)? Like if each life sentence was considered eighty years, he would have to serve 1,360 years.

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Cost to taxpayers would not justify that even if possible. This guy confessed and entered a guilty plea. His conviction will never be overturned on appeal. Nor would his death penalty, were that to be imposed under state law.

If he got the death penalty, he could have appealed his sentence (he couldn't appeal his convictions), since him getting the death penalty wouldn't have been part of a plea agreement. The reason he can't appeal his life sentences is because that's the minimum punishment he could have gotten.

Wouldn't the cost be worth it to have him punished separately for killing each victim?

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Wouldn't the cost be worth it to have him punished separately for killing each victim?

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Physically, he cannot be punished for each victim. That type of punishment happens in the afterlife and never ends.

Wouldn't the cost of imprisonment be worth it for him to get eighty years for each of the seventeen victims (1,360 years) if it was possible for him to live that long?

What would the cost be to take him up 2000' in a Huey over Southeast Asia and airmail his sorry ass?

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Wouldn't the cost of imprisonment be worth it for him to get eighty years for each of the seventeen victims (1,360 years) if it was possible for him to live that long?

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You've reached the absurd. Move on.

So jurors lied during empanelment and refused to consider an instruction regarding the death penalty.


This is why I don't feel bad for speaking up with objections to sentencing and punishment during empaneling..... too many people get on jury's that will not or cannot care out instructions.

One juror that voted against the death penalty lied during jury selection, but the two other jurors against the death penalty didn't lie.

I wasn't saying that could actually happen (it's possible in the future, but extremely unlikely), I was asking if the cost of imprisonment would be worth it for him to receive a sentence like that (1,360 years). I think it would be worth it, since he's essentially serving seventeen life sentences (eighty years times seventeen), one for every victim he killed.

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There were three jurors that voted against the death penalty, but one was more vocal than the others, and she wasn't against the death penalty in general, she was against it for people that are mentally ill.

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So she says now. Still curious if this was the same woman who was questioned live in court by the judge.

There were three in the end. ONE who wouldn't even consider the death penalty. And her reason makes no sense. Anyone who kills in cold blood is mentally ill in some capacity. Does that mean that none are DP eligible?

Sad for the families. Like Mr. Hixon said today, being against the death penalty changes when it's your family member who's murdered. Justice was denied. Stop focusing on the monster for a few minutes and go watch their reactions after court. Heartbreaking.

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Wow. I feel for her and her family. And she is absolutely right.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wpbf.com/amp/article/parkland-juror-nikolas-cruz-verdict-jury-prison-death-penalty/41629098

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article267419832.html

This article is kind of long, but it's interesting. It's about what his life will be like in prison.

Don't care…his life should've been spent waiting anxiously for his death warrant to be signed…

lethalninja said:

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Wouldn't the cost of imprisonment be worth it for him to get eighty years for each of the seventeen victims (1,360 years) if it was possible for him to live that long?

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Eternity in hell is far greater punishment than man could ever possibly mete out. Regardless, this choad needs to meet his Maker.

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Just punishment is David Hogg strangling Cruz to death. That should take 30-40 years and keep Hogg tied up for a long time.

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His pipe cleaner arms would snap off.

Hell isn't guaranteed to be real, though.

You said he should have gotten the death penalty, but what would you think if he was required to serve his life sentence in solitary confinement without any entertainment? Would you still be against him getting life?

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You said he should have gotten the death penalty, but what would you think if he was required to serve his life sentence in solitary confinement? Would you still be against him getting life?

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Yes. Eternity in hell is much worse punishment than solitary confinement.

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You said he should have gotten the death penalty, but what would you think if he was required to serve his life sentence in solitary confinement? Would you still be against him getting life?

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He should be given the death penalty…

He should know and feeL the fear inside when his last days, hours, minutes, and seconds are knowingly ticked away while he lays, strapped to a table, IV inserted, completely powerless…

I was asking FireAg, and hell is obviously worse than life in solitary confinement, but it's not guaranteed to exist.

What if he wants to die, which is entirely possible? Should he get life without parole, since death would be an escape for him?

Nope…he should die..at the hands of the State…whether he wants to or not…

All monsters should be put to death…

If all of the victims' families supported a life sentence for Nikolas Cruz (obviously, they don't) would you still think he should get the death penalty?

If one of the inmates brutally kills Nikolas Cruz (like what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer), would you consider them a monster as well?

Yes…100%…

All monsters should be put to death without exception…

It's cut and dry…

The evidence said he did it…

He says he did it…

He is a monster…

I'd consider them karma…

If the other inmate kills him because he's mad at him for insulting him, not for committing the mass shooting (like if they don't like what he did, but they're not mad at him for it, since it didn't involve them), would you consider them a monster?

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If the other inmate kills him because he's mad at him for insulting him, not for committing the mass shooting (like if they don't care about what he did), would you consider them a monster?

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Nope…karma…