That's my problem out on the farm. If the power is down and the temperature is below freezing, we have two well houses to protect and two houses.Comanche_Ag said:
Been out over two hours...well house down to 29 degrees.
TommyBrady said:
Got the alert at 1:07 but should be all up now. Frequency issue.
Btw they almost ****ed up again this morning on load. ERCOT is acting reckless
eric76 said:I've often thought that what we need to do is make our homes capable of handling losses of power.YouBet said:
So there is no way to recover? We are just screwed?
There are a few things that can help:
Have an alternate source of heat for the winter time. This could be several choices. How about a heat pump with natural gas as a backup? Or firewood in wood burning stoves? (Chimneys seem to waste lots of energy.)
One possible choice for heat would be heating oil. Heating oil supposedly holds its energy a long time. I've read that it can last about 8 to 10 years. We probably wouldn't need to keep more than enough to last a week or two.
Remember that to burn heating oil, you spray it into the burner and that requires electricity. And then you need fans to blow it through the duct work unless you use radiators instead. You could do this with an emergency generator or maybe with a few solar panels -- enough to run the heating oil furnace in the daytime and to charge batteries to run overnight.
Or you could wrap up to stay warm. When I was a kid, I loved sleeping with the window open in the middle of the winter. My bedroom wasn't heated anyway. With four or five blankets, I stayed plenty warm enough. I sure hated to get out of bed in the morning, though. We had no plumbing upstairs so I didn't have to worry about freezing pipes.
Just make sure you have enough electricity to heat for your pipes and run it around the clock to keep the pipes from freezing. Or if your pipes run in the basement, just make sure that you can shut the water off in the basement and drain the pipes. In most places, the basement should remain above freezing without any problem.
The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
Maybe in cities.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:Even with nuclear and coal, power lines can go down. We've had ice storms around here in the last two or three years that required the power company to replace miles of power lines. Even bringing in multiple crews from other places, many places were down for a week or so. Even houses 1 to 2 miles out of town were down for days.itsyourboypookie said:eric76 said:I've often thought that what we need to do is make our homes capable of handling losses of power.YouBet said:
So there is no way to recover? We are just screwed?
There are a few things that can help:
Have an alternate source of heat for the winter time. This could be several choices. How about a heat pump with natural gas as a backup? Or firewood in wood burning stoves? (Chimneys seem to waste lots of energy.)
One possible choice for heat would be heating oil. Heating oil supposedly holds its energy a long time. I've read that it can last about 8 to 10 years. We probably wouldn't need to keep more than enough to last a week or two.
Remember that to burn heating oil, you spray it into the burner and that requires electricity. And then you need fans to blow it through the duct work unless you use radiators instead. You could do this with an emergency generator or maybe with a few solar panels -- enough to run the heating oil furnace in the daytime and to charge batteries to run overnight.
Or you could wrap up to stay warm. When I was a kid, I loved sleeping with the window open in the middle of the winter. My bedroom wasn't heated anyway. With four or five blankets, I stayed plenty warm enough. I sure hated to get out of bed in the morning, though. We had no plumbing upstairs so I didn't have to worry about freezing pipes.
Just make sure you have enough electricity to heat for your pipes and run it around the clock to keep the pipes from freezing. Or if your pipes run in the basement, just make sure that you can shut the water off in the basement and drain the pipes. In most places, the basement should remain above freezing without any problem.
Lol wut.
The solution is nuclear and coal, cheap energy for all.
Not these rich people solutions.
If the power lines go down, nuclear and coal aren't going to help you much.
And depending on what you do, those don't have to be all that expensive.
Don't confuse generating power... with distributing power.
If power lines go down, you lose power to an area, but it can be re-routed quickly. You still have the power available.
That isn't the problem. If we had energy... we could distribute it.
That's a good point. Those in larger cities probably wouldn't see an outage lasting more than a few hours. Out in the country, it's completely different.TRADUCTOR said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
You and me: Right, agree, but nonsensical for the entire population.
You're being silly.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
So everyone should own a generator and store carbon based fuel, I'm the event Solar and Wind go out?
eric76 said:You're being silly.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
So everyone should own a generator and store carbon based fuel, I'm the event Solar and Wind go out?
Window units?TRADUCTOR said:eric76 said:You're being silly.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
So everyone should own a generator and store carbon based fuel, I'm the event Solar and Wind go out?
You have to sell your idea to people who think the are covered with alternate/back up system of 2 window units.
gonemaroon said:
It's not, it's a screen shot from my desktop.
I have a battery backup that is charged up but not being used at the moment. Maybe I ought to go plug that in for our secondary gas heater at the office.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:You're being silly.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
So everyone should own a generator and store carbon based fuel, I'm the event Solar and Wind go out?
Being silly while having been in the dark for the past 1.5hrs since gonemaroon said we likely won't get power back.
You were the one to suggest everyone should have a backup plan.
I could tell you the temp in the house, but my thermostat that controls my gas furnaces is out. Last read 1.5hrs ago was 63F. Probably in the 50s, now.
eric76 said:I have a battery backup that is charged up but not being used at the moment. Maybe I ought to go plug that in for our secondary gas heater at the office.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:You're being silly.DallasAg 94 said:eric76 said:The idea is to set up something that can get you through a temporary outage. Temporary being no more than a week or two.TRADUCTOR said:
The solution everybody buys an off grid system...quit making Aggie jokes, insulting.
So everyone should own a generator and store carbon based fuel, I'm the event Solar and Wind go out?
Being silly while having been in the dark for the past 1.5hrs since gonemaroon said we likely won't get power back.
You were the one to suggest everyone should have a backup plan.
I could tell you the temp in the house, but my thermostat that controls my gas furnaces is out. Last read 1.5hrs ago was 63F. Probably in the 50s, now.
On the other hand, we have a portable emergency generator that runs on gasoline that we can use instead, if necessary.
Some people around here have gotten wood burning stoves that fit in the fireplace to increase the efficiency over that of a simple fireplace.annie88 said:
My power in Bryan in the country went out about 2:30 am, still out. Getting pretty chilly in the house but I've got the fireplace going again so out near that.
eric76 said:Even with nuclear and coal, power lines can go down. We've had ice storms around here in the last two or three years that required the power company to replace miles of power lines. Even bringing in multiple crews from other places, many places were down for a week or so. Even houses 1 to 2 miles out of town were down for days.itsyourboypookie said:eric76 said:I've often thought that what we need to do is make our homes capable of handling losses of power.YouBet said:
So there is no way to recover? We are just screwed?
There are a few things that can help:
Have an alternate source of heat for the winter time. This could be several choices. How about a heat pump with natural gas as a backup? Or firewood in wood burning stoves? (Chimneys seem to waste lots of energy.)
One possible choice for heat would be heating oil. Heating oil supposedly holds its energy a long time. I've read that it can last about 8 to 10 years. We probably wouldn't need to keep more than enough to last a week or two.
Remember that to burn heating oil, you spray it into the burner and that requires electricity. And then you need fans to blow it through the duct work unless you use radiators instead. You could do this with an emergency generator or maybe with a few solar panels -- enough to run the heating oil furnace in the daytime and to charge batteries to run overnight.
Or you could wrap up to stay warm. When I was a kid, I loved sleeping with the window open in the middle of the winter. My bedroom wasn't heated anyway. With four or five blankets, I stayed plenty warm enough. I sure hated to get out of bed in the morning, though. We had no plumbing upstairs so I didn't have to worry about freezing pipes.
Just make sure you have enough electricity to heat for your pipes and run it around the clock to keep the pipes from freezing. Or if your pipes run in the basement, just make sure that you can shut the water off in the basement and drain the pipes. In most places, the basement should remain above freezing without any problem.
Lol wut.
The solution is nuclear and coal, cheap energy for all.
Not these rich people solutions.
If the power lines go down, nuclear and coal aren't going to help you much.
And depending on what you do, those don't have to be all that expensive.
My place between Georgtown and Liberty Hill had a 15,000 gallon rain collector, wood burning stove,and 5 acres of heavily wooded land. Because of an event in 1996, long duration power loss was a factor in the design of the place. Sold it in June to a Canadian dude that loved that wood burning stove. Warned him it would have that master suite hotter than hell within an hour even with no power, 20 degrees and a North wind at 30mph outside.annie88 said:
My power in Bryan in the country went out about 2:30 am, still out. Getting pretty chilly in the house but I've got the fireplace going again so out near that.
Green energy has its place. So does natural gas, so does oil. Everything is political mostly do to the libtards whining about everything.PearlJammin said:eric76 said:Even with nuclear and coal, power lines can go down. We've had ice storms around here in the last two or three years that required the power company to replace miles of power lines. Even bringing in multiple crews from other places, many places were down for a week or so. Even houses 1 to 2 miles out of town were down for days.itsyourboypookie said:eric76 said:I've often thought that what we need to do is make our homes capable of handling losses of power.YouBet said:
So there is no way to recover? We are just screwed?
There are a few things that can help:
Have an alternate source of heat for the winter time. This could be several choices. How about a heat pump with natural gas as a backup? Or firewood in wood burning stoves? (Chimneys seem to waste lots of energy.)
One possible choice for heat would be heating oil. Heating oil supposedly holds its energy a long time. I've read that it can last about 8 to 10 years. We probably wouldn't need to keep more than enough to last a week or two.
Remember that to burn heating oil, you spray it into the burner and that requires electricity. And then you need fans to blow it through the duct work unless you use radiators instead. You could do this with an emergency generator or maybe with a few solar panels -- enough to run the heating oil furnace in the daytime and to charge batteries to run overnight.
Or you could wrap up to stay warm. When I was a kid, I loved sleeping with the window open in the middle of the winter. My bedroom wasn't heated anyway. With four or five blankets, I stayed plenty warm enough. I sure hated to get out of bed in the morning, though. We had no plumbing upstairs so I didn't have to worry about freezing pipes.
Just make sure you have enough electricity to heat for your pipes and run it around the clock to keep the pipes from freezing. Or if your pipes run in the basement, just make sure that you can shut the water off in the basement and drain the pipes. In most places, the basement should remain above freezing without any problem.
Lol wut.
The solution is nuclear and coal, cheap energy for all.
Not these rich people solutions.
If the power lines go down, nuclear and coal aren't going to help you much.
And depending on what you do, those don't have to be all that expensive.
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
Seattle is not a free market and no arena in the battle of ideas. it is a west coast command economy and **** show. We agree.C@LAg said:hard to compete when govt hamstrings some in favor of their pet green bull****tery.ttu_85 said:Green energy has its place. So does natural gas, so does oil. Everything is political mostly do to the libtards whining about everything.PearlJammin said:eric76 said:
Even with nuclear and coal, power lines can go down. We've had ice storms around here in the last two or three years that required the power company to replace miles of power lines. Even bringing in multiple crews from other places, many places were down for a week or so. Even houses 1 to 2 miles out of town were down for days.
If the power lines go down, nuclear and coal aren't going to help you much.
And depending on what you do, those don't have to be all that expensive.
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
May the best product/technology win in the arena of the market place.
e.g.
Seattle mayor signs legislation to ban natural gas in some new buildings
The bill requires new commercial buildings and large multifamily buildings to use clean electricity for space and water heating to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
https://www.king5.com/article/tech/science/environment/seattle-new-building-energy-codes-ban-fossil-fuels/281-2a928b2d-6328-489d-9e12-a00a5013e4dc
Around here (Texas Panhandle), power issues are primarily that of power lines and secondarily of issues at substations.PearlJammin said:
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
eric76 said:Around here (Texas Panhandle), power issues are primarily that of power lines and secondarily of issues at substations.PearlJammin said:
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
One good ice storm can knock power out to many people for days.
In Central Texas and east Texas probability of a given threat in a given year is lower than the PH but thanks to trees the high end severity is much greater as is the duration of the event. I live in the highly forested Southeast now knowing that it is likely my reserve generator WILL be deployed.eric76 said:Around here (Texas Panhandle), power issues are primarily that of power lines and secondarily of issues at substations.PearlJammin said:
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
One good ice storm can knock power out to many people for days.
Events like this are rare but do happen a few big ones and you can look these up:PearlJammin said:eric76 said:Around here (Texas Panhandle), power issues are primarily that of power lines and secondarily of issues at substations.PearlJammin said:
This is a power generation problem, not a power line problem. Green energy is not working right now. Just accept it and move on.
One good ice storm can knock power out to many people for days.
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY BLAMING THE CURRENT BLACKOUTS ON FKING TREES AND DOWNED POWER LINES?
There's a chance people are going to freeze to death for the simple reason that this state cannot meet energy demand due to the failure of renewables in an event like this. You have a serious lack of empathy and keep trying to steer the conversation away from that failure. Grow up and recognize this problem for what it is. You can remain obtuse, but this board recognizes what you are doing.
Your ideas of people going out and buying millions of generators to make up for that failure are completely stupid. Suggestions of a wood burning stove are not practical. Your climate controlled utopia works in a very small part of Texas. To even mention swamp coolers is downright laughable. But that's your way of looking down your nose on the rest of us, isn't it?
