Ancient Rome had a lot of things, classical music with a full orchestra was not one of them.

Yeah yeah…

I'm talking more feel of the music, but point taken.

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I can't remember the last time I read YouTube comments period.

That's like a slight step above 4Chan, and on par with Facebook in terms mindless, squealing nonsense.

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Convenient way to frame up an argument that only Texags is upset.

This is probably the equivalent of thinking the Last Jedi was a good movie at this point.

I don't think all of us are saying the scenes in the trailer are bad, but the music… it is objectively a terrible choice and you should be shamed for defending it.

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Get help?

Did you really just say that over an opinion of a movie trailer?

Do you know how many times modern music - even hip hop - has been used in trailers for period pieces? Far too many to even count.

Some of you really are being so insanely precious and weird about this.

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You are replying to an adult that chose the name "well endowed ag". it aint worth it

Bruce Almighty said:

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Ancient Rome had a lot of things, classical music with a full orchestra was not one of them.

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Ancient Rome = British accents and classical music

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The Porkchop Express said:

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But the trailer's purpose is to get people excited, and it's done the complete opposite to a lot of us so far. It's OK if a lot of people think it looks like *****

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This is one of the few times I'm seeing a stark difference in reactions here vs social media/online in general, and it's just fascinating to try and figure out why. Most people seem super amped for this movie now, are way more interested than they were, etc. There's a ton of buzz out there, and it's fun to see. Then you come here and it basically just sounds like a bunch of middle-aged dudes complaining about rap music. I absolutely get the potential story concerns, and agree to an extent, but I simply think the whole rap thing is being overblown and could potentially be clouding people's judgment of the movie itself, that's all.

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Both Reddit and 4chan hated the song choice. That should tell you it was a terrible decision since those places are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

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Did you look at the YouTube comments, by chance? About 70% of them are about the music.

It's not a Texags only complaint about the song choice.

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Every single place I have seen has hated the music. Most are in fact expecting this to be terrible now. What the hell were they thinking?

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I was talking more about the reaction to the movie itself in that particular response. People can diss the trailer music all they want, my argument was more that people seemed to be linking the movie's quality to the music choice in a trailer. In other words, the music choice was not only dominating the conversation, but it felt like certain people couldn't look past it, and thus already weren't even giving the movie itself a shot because of it. Which seems insane to me. Again, that's not to say everyone who didn't like the music felt that way, that was just the impression I was getting from certain posts.

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A lot of people think the trailer is a hot mess both in how it shows the entire plot, the bad music choices, and it's effectively a repeat of the original. There are legitimate criticisms to be had from the trailer of which the music was just one example. The music is just the most glaring example so people focus on that the most.

Gotta be honest, whomever made this trailer should be fired. It's legit one of the worst trailers I have seen given the context and source material. That they didn't use the original score is utterly criminal.

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That's all more than fair, and I simply wish certain opinions would have been expressed in exactly this manner, as opposed to the old-dudes-endlessly-whining-about-rap vibe we almost exclusively got instead.

While I don't think it's a terrible trailer by any means, I do agree that the plot isn't being effectively marketed. But again, we're five months out, and this is effectively an extended teaser trailer, which are often void of plot, and more about a vibe. So before I start claiming the sky is falling, I want to see how the marketing evolves, and of course see what we get with the end product, before getting as upset as some people here seem to be.

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The first step is firing the people who made that trailer and to never insert modern music into a period piece ever again especially not one with one of the best original musical scores of all time. Do that and maybe it can be saved. As it is, this trailer told most people to wait until streaming.

The only time modern music works in a period piece is when it was explicitly made with that concept in mind. For example, Heilung and Danheim in Vikings and other movies about the Vikings. This is pure modern music but all of it was made explicitly with Germanic and Norse tribes in mind while using a lot of esoteric instruments and drums.

audio/video/theater nerds ruin everything...

You should be sorry.

They had Hans Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard's masterpiece of a score at their disposal, and they chose a Jay-Z song instead. (And a crappy one at that.) And you're defending it.

It's like having the choice between a dry-aged porterhouse and a burnt hamburger patty, and taking the hamburger patty.

Like, come on now.

It's no different than if a new LOTR movie was coming out and they slapped an Eminem song over the trailer.

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For the umpteenth time... THIS WON'T BE THE ONLY TRAILER.

Why do you guys keep acting as if it's the only piece of marketing there will ever be for this movie, and that everyone who sees it has to make a decision right here and now as to whether they're going to see the movie itself five months from now?

Sure, first impressions count for a lot, and I won't argue that they haven't dug themselves a hole with a segment of the eventual audience.

But marketing nowadays, for a single movie, especially across this many months, often varies in tone from one trailer/spot to the next. One trailer/spot will market to one group while another trailer/spot will market to another.

And they'll do the same here.

This was the big-summer-fun, grab-your-attention trailer for a new generation. And then down the line, come September/October, everyone else who wants the Hans Zimmer score will likely get that version too.

This is so standard and so obvious that I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

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And they blew it badly, this created the exact opposite of hype.

It won't be the only trailer, but it's the only one most people will see for months. Especially when we all go see Deadpool & Wolverine 5 times in 8 weeks. So it's going to get played for ages. And since they were so secretive about putting out anything else, it's the only thing out there media wise other than maybe a magazine.

Two more notes - I know Denzel is too old to be a gladiator, but I feel like he and Mando should have switched roles to play to their strengths. Mando feels much more of the charmer and the grifter, and Denzel feels more like the military hard ass.

Second my wife says the main actor is "hairy and gross" and "at least give her something to look at."

To be clear, I Iike a ton of rap music, and listen to it frequently, but Spilner is right, put any track from the original soundtrack and it gets heaps of praise. They should have learned from the Maverick trailer how to do nostalgia. Just done some close up faces, the arena, the noise the crowd, and you have nothing but positives.

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It won't be the only trailer, but it's the only one most people will see for months. Especially when we all go see Deadpool & Wolverine 5 times in 8 weeks. So it's going to get played for ages. And since they were so secretive about putting out anything else, it's the only thing out there media wise other than maybe a magazine.

Two more notes - I know Denzel is too old to be a gladiator, but I feel like he and Mando should have switched roles to play to their strengths. Mando feels much more of the charmer and the grifter, and Denzel feels more like the military hard ass.

Second my wife says the main actor is "hairy and gross" and "at least give her something to look at."

To be clear, I Iike a ton of rap music, and listen to it frequently, but Spilner is right, put any track from the original soundtrack and it gets heaps of praise. They should have learned from the Maverick trailer how to do nostalgia. Just done some close up faces, the arena, the noise the crowd, and you have nothing but positives.

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Exactly, that trailer is phenomenal because it used the original score, had a bunch of references, and showed just enough for it to be enticing. It ramped the nostalgia up to the max while also showing the insanity of the new. Everyone knew it was going to be an experience they had to see in the theater.

That is how you build hype. Gladiator 2 had everything set out on a silver platter and they blew it big time. The fan created trailer posted in this thread did exactly that and it was a 100x better. They screwed this up in a way that almost cannot be fathomed.

First impressions matter.

The Porkchop Express said:

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When you can't stop defending a movie that other people are taking shots at, you start sounding like that one crazy guy that thinks everything star wars is the greatest thing ever. Don't be like that guy.

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Either the most self aware or unaware post of all time.

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The Porkchop Express said:

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When you can't stop defending a movie that other people are taking shots at, you start sounding like that one crazy guy that thinks everything star wars is the greatest thing ever. Don't be like that guy.

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Either the most self aware or unaware post of all time.

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Clearly I was making fun of myself.

I remember walking out of the theater in College Station Texas after watching Gladiator thinking "that was easily the best movie I've ever seen."

This one isn't going to be as good or better but I'm glad it got made. I want to see it.

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Throw me next to TCTTS then. I loved the song choice. But even if I didn't like it, there are two things I find funny about some of the criticisms:

1) People acting like the movie score itself will match or incorporate the song choice of the trailer. That assuredly won't be the case, just like many (most?) movie trailer song choices.

2) The criticism of using "modern" music that doesn't match the period of the film. Sorry, but the score for the original film didn't match the period either - as others have mentioned, there certainly wasn't an ensemble orchestra playing in the coliseum. But the original film score was fantastic nonetheless. So, the more accurate criticism would be the choice of hip hop as opposed to pretending the critique is just to choosing a non-period-accurate song. I think some people are trying to make their criticism sound more objective or logic-based than choice of taste, but it doesn't really work.