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Phenomenal breakdown of the trailer, with so much insight into the plot, from just a couple minutes of footage...

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He loses all credibility for saying the Court of Owls is from The Long Halloween. The CoO wasn't even created until 15 years after TLH was published

This is why I think The Batman will be a better Batman movie (just on what we've seen so far) than Nolan's movies.

I don't know if it'll be a better overall movie, but I believe it'll be more faithful to the source.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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What Silky said.

Flip phones, not smart phones.

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Looked rather like a rectangular device much like an iPhone, not some flip phone.

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Does not look like a flip phone. Not necessarily an iPhone, but not a damned flip phone.

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Looks more like one of those Nokia brick phones or one of the slider phones that were popular during that time than any sort of iPhone.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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What Silky said.

Flip phones, not smart phones.

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Looked rather like a rectangular device much like an iPhone, not some flip phone.

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Does not look like a flip phone. Not necessarily an iPhone, but not a damned flip phone.

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Looks like an iPod Classic.

It felt rushed

Living Legend said:

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TCTTS said:

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Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are damn near flawless. But, IMO, The Dark Knight Rises is the blemish that opens up the *possibility* that this iteration could potentially overtake the Nolan trilogy one day. Granted, I recently rewatched TDKR, and it's better on the fifth or so go around, as its flaws can be more easily forgiven all these years later, but it definitely tainted the sheen of Nolan's efforts a bit. I don't know that anything will ever top TDK, or Ledger's performance, but as a whole, the Reeves films at least have a shot at overcoming the Nolan films, if only because of TKDR.

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Can you expand on your issues with DKR? I KNOW I'm in the minority, but that was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy.

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worst death scene:

Basically, what hedge said. It felt like two movies stuffed into one.

I love Wayne-as-Howard-Hughes, and the whole thing with him having to get back in the game after such a long absence.

I love Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.

I love Tom Hardy's Bane.

I love a lot of the broad ideas, action sequences, and imagery.

But Wayne suddenly falling for Miranda Tate like he does, after inexplicably losing his fortune in a plot contrivance that makes no sense, is all pretty bad and incredibly forced. Jospeh Gordon-Levitt's character guessing that Wayne is Batman because of a facial expression is dumb. Nearly every single police officer in Gotham being trapped underground for months was eye-rolling. And Bane's prison having cable still gives me a good chuckle. Then the last scene with Alfred seeing Bruce at the cafe is so telegraphed, and such a rip-off of Good Will Hunting, that I could see it coming from a mile away.

TDKR was the rare blockbuster that *should* have been split into two parts. So many of the movie's issues could have been addressed with more time. Part one should have ended with Bane breaking Batman's back, blowing up the stadium, and locking down Gotham. Leave it on a dark cliffhanger, and spend more time in the lead-up believably developing Bruce's and Miranda's relationship, ruining Wayne financially, etc. Then part two would be all about Wayne escaping Bane's prison, and then showing how, exactly, he got back into Gotham, etc. Apparently that entire plot line was written but never shot due to obvious time constraints. But making a big chunk of the second act of a part two about Wayne actually infiltrating Gotham again could have been so awesome, and wouldn't have led to such a disjointed, weirdly paced movie as-is.

TCTTS said:

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TDKR was the rare blockbuster that *should* have been split into two parts. So many of the movie's issues could have been addressed with more time. Part one should have ended with Bane breaking Batman's back, blowing up the stadium, and locking down Gotham. Leave it on a dark cliffhanger,

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Pt 1 - The Dark Knight Falls
(Knightfall is the famous story where Bane broke his back)

Pt 2 - The Dark Knight Rises


Ok, maybe that's a little too on the nose, but it def would've made a better, more cohesive overall story. It was just too convoluted and stuffed. And while I love Nolan, his movies always seem to suffer from his own genius and ambition... They are such grandiose spectacles, with really mindbending and dense plots, but occasionally they just suffer from their own machinations.

I hate to even complain, because again its Nolan and his movies are awesome, even when they have those flaws. And considering 90% of blockbusters are pretty lazy and formulaic drivel... I always appreciate his desire to push the narrative envelope and come up with challenging stuff like Interstellar and Tenet. I'll take it any day of the week.

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Basically, what hedge said. It felt like two movies stuffed into one.

I love Wayne-as-Howard-Hughes, and the whole thing with him having to get back in the game after such a long absence.

I love Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.

I love Tom Hardy's Bane.

I love a lot of the broad ideas, action sequences, and imagery.

But Wayne suddenly falling for Miranda Tate like he does, after inexplicably losing all his money in a plot contrivance that makes no sense, is all pretty bad and incredibly forced. Jospeh Gordon-Levitt's character guessing that Wayne is Batman because of a facial expression is dumb. Nearly every single police officer in Gotham being trapped underground for months was eye-rolling. And Bane's prison having cable still gives me a good chuckle. Then the last scene with Alfred seeing Bruce at the cafe is so telegraphed, and such a straight rip-off of Good Will Hunting, that I couldn't not see it coming from a mile away.

TDKR was the rare blockbuster that *should* have been split into two parts. So many of the movie's issues could have been addressed with more time. Part one should have ended with Bane breaking Batman's back, blowing up the stadium, and locking down Gotham. Leave it on a dark cliffhanger, and spend more time in the lead-up believably developing Bruce's and Miranda's relationship, ruining Wayne financially, etc. Then part two would be all about Wayne escaping Bane's prison, and then showing how, exactly, he got back into Gotham, etc. Apparently that entire plot line was written but never shot due to obvious time constraints. But making a big chunk of the second act of a part two about Wayne actually infiltrating Gotham again could have been awesome, and wouldn't have led to such a disjointed, weirdly paced movie as-is.

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Not a huge fan of Anne Hathaway but I think she's been the best portrayal of Catwoman.

This isn't official, but damn if it isn't really good...

Watched the trailer a few more times and there is a very Daredevil feel to Pattinson's portrayal.

Flashdiaz said:

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Living Legend said:

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Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are damn near flawless. But, IMO, The Dark Knight Rises is the blemish that opens up the *possibility* that this iteration could potentially overtake the Nolan trilogy one day. Granted, I recently rewatched TDKR, and it's better on the fifth or so go around, as its flaws can be more easily forgiven all these years later, but it definitely tainted the sheen of Nolan's efforts a bit. I don't know that anything will ever top TDK, or Ledger's performance, but as a whole, the Reeves films at least have a shot at overcoming the Nolan films, if only because of TKDR.

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Can you expand on your issues with DKR? I KNOW I'm in the minority, but that was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy.

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Begins is awesome (elevated by Neeson). My favorite Batman origin by far. Probably my favorite Batman portrayal as well (Bale did a disguised voice in this one. Not throat cancer).

Dark Knight will always have place on the all time list because of Ledger. Timeless performance and truly scary.

TDKR was crazy hyped and once again the villain was amazing. Don't know if we'll ever get a better Bane. But the plot was weak, way too many conveniences. Reduced Batman to a lovesick idiot that banished Alfred and gave his company away to a one night stand. The Robin thing was forced as well. Not a bad movie but nowhere near as good as the other 2.

Well.. Daredevil is red Batman