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I think Affleck as batman has been the one pleasant surprise. Most people panned the choice when he was announced 20 years ago for the role.

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I was the first one to cash out on this film because of this. Decided to go watch it. Afflek's batman is one of my favorites. I didn't hate this movie as much as I should. Cut out the last 30 minutes and this flick is a winner.

Also finally watched it. Overall it wasn't awful, but it wasn't all that good either. Plenty of bright spots and plenty of meh moments. WW and Bats are good. Flash is a total fail, both actor and costume. I expect his costume to change with the backlash from fans after this film. Dude's suit looked more like Ironman. Curious to see how they will continue to introduce the rest of the league. They've shown that they exist, now how will they bring them into the fold.

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I think Affleck as batman has been the one pleasant surprise. Most people panned the choice when he was announced 20 years ago for the role.

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I was the first one to cash out on this film because of this. Decided to go watch it. Afflek's batman is one of my favorites. I didn't hate this movie as much as I should. Cut out the last 30 minutes and this flick is a winner.

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I agree. The only thing about him I didn't like was "If there's even a 1% chance he could be a bad guy, we have to assume it's a certainty and destroy him"

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I think Affleck as batman has been the one pleasant surprise. Most people panned the choice when he was announced 20 years ago for the role.

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I was the first one to cash out on this film because of this. Decided to go watch it. Afflek's batman is one of my favorites. I didn't hate this movie as much as I should. Cut out the last 30 minutes and this flick is a winner.

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I agree. The only thing about him I didn't like was "If there's even a 1% chance he could be a bad guy, we have to assume it's a certainty and destroy him"

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I loved the Batman of this film. Something that we completely have not seen with the affect of his age and maturation being way more impressive than Bale's version in the third Nolan Batman. This is a Batman whose protegee has been murdered, and likely many others around him killed because of him. That line where he as Bruce was telling Clark Kent (I think it was them as their human alter-egos at the Luther charity event) that he had seen many good men turn evil made you think of the various Batman characters (Two-Face, Gotham PD, possibly Catwoman, etc). But in reality - he was (knowingly or not) speaking about himself. He's lost his moral compass.

This Batman was a bad dude. He was fricking killing people, and I don't think that was Snyder thinking it'd be cool to show Batman run over people in the Batmobile and to give it guns, but a choice that this Batman has started turning evil. Combine that with his paranoia due to seeing the destruction of Metropolis by Supes, and what he found in Luther's files about Darkseid (or some kind of omnipresent influence of Darkseid), it made sense to me that he would want to kill Superman.

This may just be the way I choose to see this film and look for deeper layers, but I prefer it that way

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I think Affleck as batman has been the one pleasant surprise. Most people panned the choice when he was announced 20 years ago for the role.

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I was the first one to cash out on this film because of this. Decided to go watch it. Afflek's batman is one of my favorites. I didn't hate this movie as much as I should. Cut out the last 30 minutes and this flick is a winner.

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I agree. The only thing about him I didn't like was "If there's even a 1% chance he could be a bad guy, we have to assume it's a certainty and destroy him"

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I loved the Batman of this film. Something that we completely have not seen with the affect of his age and maturation being way more impressive than Bale's version in the third Nolan Batman. This is a Batman whose protegee has been murdered, and likely many others around him killed because of him. That line where he as Bruce was telling Clark Kent (I think it was them as their human alter-egos at the Luther charity event) that he had seen many good men turn evil made you think of the various Batman characters (Two-Face, Gotham PD, possibly Catwoman, etc). But in reality - he was (knowingly or not) speaking about himself. He's lost his moral compass.

This Batman was a bad dude. He was fricking killing people, and I don't think that was Snyder thinking it'd be cool to show Batman run over people in the Batmobile and to give it guns, but a choice that this Batman has started turning evil. Combine that with his paranoia due to seeing the destruction of Metropolis by Supes, and what he found in Luther's files about Darkseid (or some kind of omnipresent influence of Darkseid), it made sense to me that he would want to kill Superman.

This may just be the way I choose to see this film and look for deeper layers, but I prefer it that way

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that's fine and all and I guess it works for his motivation to want to kill superman. he's completely convinced himself of what he has to do and man, he's willing to hit tires with sledgehammers and do pull-ups until he's ready to do it.

then right when he has a chance to do so, superman utters one word that causes batman to completely abandon everything he's been building to??

I thought Affleck was great, but thought Batman was a **** and could have been written better.

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I think Affleck as batman has been the one pleasant surprise. Most people panned the choice when he was announced 20 years ago for the role.

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I was the first one to cash out on this film because of this. Decided to go watch it. Afflek's batman is one of my favorites. I didn't hate this movie as much as I should. Cut out the last 30 minutes and this flick is a winner.

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I agree. The only thing about him I didn't like was "If there's even a 1% chance he could be a bad guy, we have to assume it's a certainty and destroy him"

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I loved the Batman of this film. Something that we completely have not seen with the affect of his age and maturation being way more impressive than Bale's version in the third Nolan Batman. This is a Batman whose protegee has been murdered, and likely many others around him killed because of him. That line where he as Bruce was telling Clark Kent (I think it was them as their human alter-egos at the Luther charity event) that he had seen many good men turn evil made you think of the various Batman characters (Two-Face, Gotham PD, possibly Catwoman, etc). But in reality - he was (knowingly or not) speaking about himself. He's lost his moral compass.

This Batman was a bad dude. He was fricking killing people, and I don't think that was Snyder thinking it'd be cool to show Batman run over people in the Batmobile and to give it guns, but a choice that this Batman has started turning evil. Combine that with his paranoia due to seeing the destruction of Metropolis by Supes, and what he found in Luther's files about Darkseid (or some kind of omnipresent influence of Darkseid), it made sense to me that he would want to kill Superman.

This may just be the way I choose to see this film and look for deeper layers, but I prefer it that way

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that's fine and all and I guess it works for his motivation to want to kill superman. he's completely convinced himself of what he has to do and man, he's willing to hit tires with sledgehammers and do pull-ups until he's ready to do it.

then right when he has a chance to do so, superman utters one word that causes batman to completely abandon everything he's been building to??

I thought Affleck was great, but thought Batman was a **** and could have been written better.

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It was definitely too fast, or rather he too easily fully committed to help Superman after he struggled for a bit with that. But yes - that was a reminder to him that he's human, that he stands for something, that he can't be a killer like the murder of his mother. And that Superman also stands reason to be the same. It's why we had to see the murder (once again in cinema) of the Waynes in the beginning of the film.

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I was told a while ago that the worst thing an audience member can say about a film after they leave the theater is that it felt like a "collection of scenes".

BvS was a collection of scenes.

There was no flow, no clear character motivation, ridiculous McGuffins, convenient plot holes / devices, and had absolutely zero impact on me regarding the continuing story of these characters. I have no interest in seeing what happens when the JL gets ham fisted together because the drama between these people is nonexistent.

If one of the major characters is killed off in Cap 3, it will be a character audiences have been seeing onscreen since as far back as, what, 2008? They've bonded with their audience and with their colleagues on screen.

When people say Marvel has more "heart", they do not have to mean that these films are "sillier" or more "fun", but that the characters themselves connect with their audiences over the course of their films. This makes it seem like Cap 3 has real stakes - we know that perhaps one of our favorites characters are at a real risk of not making it out of that okay. This gives the film more anticipation and drama that is character driven.

BvS had no shot of doing that.

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The Ultimate Edition trailer came out today. Looks like there is quite a bit more.

Oh damn. That looks like it's gonna be good. So much left out.

I am on record as having enjoyed the theatrical release, to a certain extent, but wow, that trailer looks like a different movie altogether. Why not just release this version of the movie rather than the one we got?

Of course, it could be that this trailer will not have any relation to the actual movie that will be released on video too, much like some of the trailers prior to the theatrical release.

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"You were never a god...you were never even a man."

Another terrible line like the 100% certainly one.

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You know what they really wanted to have him say is "You were never super...you were never even a man."

They need an alternate director's cut. Maybe Batfleck would be interested in re-editing the whole movie?

That looks like a completely different film with characters conversing and actually expressing views, opinions, feelings, drama, etc.

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"You were never a god...you were never even a man."

Another terrible line like the 100% certainly one.

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Great line. Sounds like you're one of those fans who like to pile on because it's cool to hate this movie.

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No, I actually enjoyed the movie more than not, but this just seems like the writer was thinking "this will sound so badass", when it really seems to be trying too hard.

I'm a Marvel guy. But I didn't think this movie was garbage or awful.

Ultimate cut came out for digital purchase today.

Consensus seems to be it's definitely a better movie now. Some people say WAY better, while others say only marginally better. Might check it out for myself soon.

I went ahead and snagged it, against my better judgement, and the ultimate cut definitely justifies Lois' presence in the film that was not there in the theatrical version.

I'll pick it up if just for the bonus features and the bit of great Batfootage. Will report back.

A couple of quick notes that I think helped the Ultimate Cut vs the theatrical one:

1) Lois' and her arc in the film is much, much larger and as it turns out is important to point two. Her arc in the ultimate gives her a reason for being in the film, that was obviously missing in the theatrical as she felt very out of place.

2) Lex's characterization over the course of the movie makes a little more sense now, as does his arc. As noted in the first point, Lois' arc actually is important to understanding Lex's manipulation of events.

It's a shame that the theatrical version is just so damn poor because of the editing. I wouldn't say that the Ultimate Cut makes it a good film, but it gives it a more completed feeling.

The extras are pretty awesome, some great stuff on the design of the film. And I freakin' love this drawing.

I've heard only good things about the Uncut version, but I really didn't like the Theatrical Cut at all. I think I am going to hope the UC version to hit HBOGo. I know X-Men has the Rouge Cut of Days of Future Past on HBOGo, so hopefully I can get lucky with BvS.

Ooh, I need to check out the Rogue Cut, thanks for the heads up.

I'm 2/3 of the way through the Ultimate Edition, had planned to finish it last night but holy crap it's 3 hours long. C'mon guys, this isn't Lord of the Rings (but I realize it was already 2 1/2).

Basically the Ultimate Edition introduces more subplots, not what this film was lacking. It does help explain things more in places, but still doesn't do much for the characters unexplained motivations or the really odd pacing of the film.

There is a ton of bonus material, some great stuff on the Batman designs especially so far. I have even more faith in a Batfleck written and directed film after hearing some of his comments, he truly gets the character. One of his comments that made me just go "yesssss":

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I never watched the original release, but I did watch the uncut version last night.

Definitely not a bad movie. It is good, but not great.

Many of the decisions made about the character and story are questionable, but it was at least an entertaining movie.

Except for the part re: the resolution of their fight.

Ugh. Ugh forever.

No amount of added scenes is going to make up for "Martha!" and some of the other issues with the film, but it did make me reconsider that Snyder's 3 hour version was definitely better. The additions do make you look at the film in a slightly different light.

Since it was already put up on YouTube and can't really be a spoiler, the scene with Lex on the ship with what appears to be Steppenwolf and his subsequent scene with Batman in prison has some context. In theaters, I think most of us were going "WTF is he talking about?"

Here's ScreenRant's list of the changes.