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Define "glaring errors". Errors as to the stories in the comic books v. the movie versions? A lot of people are going to see the movie because it has Superman and batman, and have no idea about who/what Doomsday really is, or any of the canon of those characters other than the superficial. Is that what your talking about?

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This gets into a tricky issue with comic films, while you do have the geeks who know all the origins and backstories you've also got your casual viewer who needs to understand what's going on. It's fine to drop some easter eggs for the fanboys, but there has to be enough exposition for a first time viewer to follow. There will always be some differentiation from the source material as there is with any literary adaptation, that's something you just learn to live with while hoping there's nothing core to the characters that's been radically changed.

As far as "is this a good movie", for me the simple evaluating factors start with the characters. Why is this person doing what they're doing? Do I understand their motivation or reasoning behind their choices? Are they doing things or making decisions that seem to go against what I've been told about them as a character? Bad movies tend to have characters who don't act consistently or do things that seem counter to the choices a logical person would make in a similar situation.

Just saw it and like most people, I don't think it was nearly as bad as the RT score indicates but that isn't a very high compliment. The movie wasn't terrible, just bad. Pretty much everything wrong with it was covered already (mainly the plot) but I'm seeing a lot of people say they thought Gal Gadot "nailed" WW?....how? She had like 6 lines and nearly all of them were delivered by her in a cocktail dress. The rest was just a blur of CGI action. Her entire presence in the film could have been filled by anyone, IMO. So in my mind, the Jury is still out for Wonder Woman.

I did have some questions:

• Doomsday was a genetic 'deformity' of Kryptonian and Human DNA, no? So wouldn't he be somewhat immune to Kryptonite? And why exactly was he stronger than Superman? I thought Supes had the 'codex' of every Krpytonian within him?
• Wonder Woman's sword was able to easily chop off Doomsday's arm, but only the Kryptonite spear could kill him? WTF?
• Is Batman's regular suit, (the non-iron man version) bullet proof? I'm pretty sure there was a scene were a thug point blank shot him in the back of the head and he hardly flinched? Also, does it give him enhanced strength? He was tossing thugs around like Superman would.

Overall: Give it a C- (Mostly for visuals and entertainment value)

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Just saw it and like most people, I don't think it was nearly as bad as the RT score indicates but that isn't a very high compliment.

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Overall: Give it a C- (Mostly for visuals and entertainment value)

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This is what I mentioned before about people not understanding what the RT rating means. Your review equates to a "rotten" grade on RT.

Being at 30% on RT doesn't mean the movie scores a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. It means that only 30% of people think it's GOOD.

So, sounds like you agree with RT on this one.

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Just saw it and like most people, I don't think it was nearly as bad as the RT score indicates but that isn't a very high compliment.

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Overall: Give it a C- (Mostly for visuals and entertainment value)

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This is what I mentioned before about people not understanding what the RT rating means. Your review equates to a "rotten" grade on RT.

Being at 30% on RT doesn't mean the movie scores a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. It means that only 30% of people think it's GOOD.

So, sounds like you agree with RT on this one.

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Lol I understand what it means...but people also compare RT scores to other films' RT scores. In that regard, it's not Silver Surfer/Daredevil bad. I don't understand why that bugs you so much.

here you go TC. your dream come true...

https://www.change.org/p/warner-bros-boot-zack-snyder-off-of-justice-league

This is off the Internet from a guy who was pretty spot on about the story for BvsS.

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* A full screenplay written by Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio is definitely complete and will start filming by April 2016.

* The film will not feature Brainiac as a villain but instead will have Darkseid as the villain. Darkseid's presence will echo throughout films like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman and Aquaman share a deadly connection to Darkseid's home planet, Apokolips.

* David S. Goyer's 2014 outline did feature Brainiac (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-brainiac-rumor/) but ever since his controversial comments, Chris Terrio has taken his position in crafting the DC Extended Universe which may have been the reason of change of Brainiac to Darkseid. Goyer is still involved in some capacity.

* The script already has Victor Stone as Cyborg as opposed to an origin story. The plan for Cyborg (2020) is suppose to fill in the gaps of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League Part One. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will only feature Victor Stone in a cameo.

* Nightwing has an appearance in Justice League Part One. Warner Bros already have an actor set for **** Grayson for multiple pictures.

* Unsurprisingly, Viola Davis will reprise her role as Amanda Waller in Justice League Part One and Two.

* Wonder Woman and Aquaman will have a major fight sequence in the film.

* Thanagar will be a planet destroyed by Darkseid in the film.

* Superman will be controlled by Darkseid in a scene which will cause the whole Justice League take him down. By the end of the film, Batman will have access to each of the Justice League member's weaknesses because of that event.

* Vicki Vale will be referenced heavily by Bruce Wayne as a sort of love interest.

* Gary Sinise is eyed to play General Wade Eiling for JL Part One even though rumors stated him in Suicide Squad.

* Superman and The Flash have a race in the film.

* Barry Allen and Victor Stone will be the comic relief of the team as they are younger. A bond between both characters will ensue.

* The climax will have Flash break the speed force and travel back in time after a major catastrophe.

* Lois Lane will only have a cameo in the introduction of Superman.

* The titles for Justice League Part One/Two may change as both films aren't necessarily a continuation of one another.

* Green Lantern will not be featured in Justice League Part One as Dan Ambroyer will not play Hal Jordan in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice unfortunately but rather an extra. EDIT - Warner Bros is choosing to go with John Stewart as Green Lantern in the Justice League, yet he isn't featured in the finished screenplay. (DEFINITELY take this with a grain of salt), it is a possibility he may be included in Justice League Part Two.

* Take this with a grain of salt as drafts and outlines as early as this are a subject to change; Justice League Part Two has a four page outline by Snyder written. The outline will feature the return of Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor forming a version of the Secret Society of Villains with villains like Deathstroke and Black Adam with the help of Amanda Waller.

* ^ Again, take it as a grain of salt but this adds credence to the time when Dwayne Johnson said that Black Adam "will join Justice League," and fight Batman and Superman (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/12/dwayne-johnson-hints-that-black-adam-could-face-batman-or-superman-eventually). ( ) It's clear he knows something.

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http://www.vox.com/2016/3/26/11308944/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-review-spoilers-nonsense

Most of that list I agree with but not 13) Why doesn't Superman hear the bomb in the wheelchair?

Do people still think bombs are alarm clocks tied to sticks of dynamite? Sure, he might have heard the trigger but at that point it's too late to do anything.

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http://www.vox.com/2016/3/26/11308944/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-review-spoilers-nonsense

Most of that list I agree with but not 13) Why doesn't Superman hear the bomb in the wheelchair?

Do people still think bombs are alarm clocks tied to sticks of dynamite? Sure, he might have heard the trigger but at that point it's too late to do anything.

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I agree about the ticking part, but he's still Superman. He can react faster than any explosion and should have easily been able to do something. ANYTHING other than just stand there with the same look I have on the toilet after an all night bender.

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What he said

Narrator: Was it ticking?
Airport Security Officer: Actually throwers don't worry about ticking 'cause modern bombs don't tick.
Narrator: Sorry, throwers?
Airport Security Officer: Baggage handlers. But, when a suitcase vibrates, then the throwers gotta call the police.
Narrator: My suitcase was vibrating?
Airport Security Officer: Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor, but every once in a while...
[whispering]
Airport Security Officer: it's a dildo. Of course it's company policy never to, imply ownership in the event of a dildo... always use the indefinite article a dildo, never your dildo.
Narrator: I don't own...
[Officer waves Narrator off]

he would have been all like...

*sniff sniff*

Did someone have a chimichanga for lunch?

*BOOOOOOOM*

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Just saw it and like most people, I don't think it was nearly as bad as the RT score indicates but that isn't a very high compliment.

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Overall: Give it a C- (Mostly for visuals and entertainment value)

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This is what I mentioned before about people not understanding what the RT rating means. Your review equates to a "rotten" grade on RT.

Being at 30% on RT doesn't mean the movie scores a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. It means that only 30% of people think it's GOOD.

So, sounds like you agree with RT on this one.

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Most of the reviews I saw on RT were not "It's meh"... they were extremely critical.

The point I was trying to make is that just like fanboys, it seems like critics had made up their minds beforehand... "Ben Affleck?! Zack Snyder!? Lex Zuckerberg!? This movie is going to be a giant pos..."


And look at the reviews that TC was seeing on Twitter when they first came out. They weren't, "It's entertaining but flawed..."

They were, "Zack Snyder hates Superman and is going to kill Warner Brothers... This movie is the death of film... Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Trainwrecks"

None of that plays into the RT score, though. RT scores are binary: fresh or rotten. The vehemence of the review doesn't impact the score.

Not saying I disagree with you, just that some people seem to not get that the RT score doesn't say that critics loved or hated anything, only records what percentage liked it, without accounting for how strongly they felt.

In other words, a 30% RT score is totally different than, say, a 30% Metacritic score.

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In addition to the movies Whitesell mentioned, Affleck's Batman will also make a cameo appearance in August's Suicide Squad

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Sweet. Can we interpret this as Affleck appearing in SS, or just Batman?

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-has-written-his-879355

Ben Affleck has written his own Batman script. DC should hand over the reigns of the DCEU to him and let him run with it. This could be damn good.

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is it going to be a prequel to BvS or is it a continuation?

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Most of that list I agree with but not 13) Why doesn't Superman hear the bomb in the wheelchair?

Do people still think bombs are alarm clocks tied to sticks of dynamite? Sure, he might have heard the trigger but at that point it's too late to do anything.

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People freaked out when a kid brought an alarm clock to school that wasn't attached to ANYTHING. Most peoples idea of bombs, hacking, etc... have been informed by Hollywood, not reality.

Noooooo Hans

http://www.latino-review.com/news/batman-v-superman-composer-hans-zimmer-is-done-with-superhero-movies

Finally saw this last night: I've read through the first 4 pages of this thread, and agree with those who say it's not the train wreck you'd expect from the RT score. I'd expect something in the 50-60% range I think. Definitely not brilliant, but enjoyable enough for a popcorn movie. (I also liked Man of Steel)

My main gripes are:

The dreams: just really odd and out of place, especially the one in the post-apocalyptic wasteland

Eisenberg was hit and miss. Every now and then he was over-the-top good, but mainly just over-the-top bad

The Martha thing seemed kind of hand wavy: "how quickly can we get them to align on the same side?"

Overuse of slow motion

Another Batman origin story: not a huge deal since it was just the opening credits, but I was rolling my eyes as it happened. If we're going to keep getting this scene over and over again in films, one day I want to see a filmmaker get brave and remove the mugger and turn the Waynes' death into a murder-suicide pact. Give the kid a real reason to go all dark.

What REALLY bothered me though, more than the movie itself, is how the movie was marketed. Everything I might have really enjoyed as a cool surprise was ruined by the trailers and how WB went about releasing information: the Doomsday appearance, the JL cameo videos, etc. I wish they'd shown nothing in marketing after the point where we first see Batman and Superman standing on top of the Batmobile

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What REALLY bothered me though, more than the movie itself, is how the movie was marketed. Everything I might have really enjoyed as a cool surprise was ruined by the trailers and how WB went about releasing information: the Doomsday appearance, the JL cameo videos, etc. I wish they'd shown nothing in marketing after the point where we first see Batman and Superman standing on top of the Batmobile

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That's not even just a BvS thing. It's a thing with ALL movies now. Pretty much everyone that I talked to about Deadpool, for example, said the same thing. All the really good jokes are in the trailers, so the movie itself is less for that.

Not a ton to add, but I really think this movie may have been a freaking hour too long. Cut wonder woman, cut doomsday, cut the dream sequences.

"Brevity is the soul of wit."

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one day I want to see a filmmaker get brave and remove the mugger and turn the Waynes' death into a murder-suicide pact. Give the kid a real reason to go all dark.

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If you wanna see dark, there is an alternate universe comic (Flashpoint) out there where Bruce is the one killed. Thomas Wayne becomes a very vengeful Batman and kills criminals while Martha Wayne loses her mind and becomes the Joker

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What REALLY bothered me though, more than the movie itself, is how the movie was marketed. Everything I might have really enjoyed as a cool surprise was ruined by the trailers and how WB went about releasing information: the Doomsday appearance, the JL cameo videos, etc. I wish they'd shown nothing in marketing after the point where we first see Batman and Superman standing on top of the Batmobile

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That's not even just a BvS thing. It's a thing with ALL movies now. Pretty much everyone that I talked to about Deadpool, for example, said the same thing. All the really good jokes are in the trailers, so the movie itself is less for that.

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I don't know if any of them actually paid attention to the movie. Deadpool was fantastic and only a FEW of the jokes were in the trailers. Yes, there were no new TJ Miller adlibs, but the statement all the good jokes were in the trailer is patently false.

Finally saw it! I actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It definitely had its dumb moments but overall I liked it. The solo batman movie should be pretty epic. On a random side note, I'm curious how the chemistry will be between Leto and Affleck.

Saw it last night. I really wasn't hugely interested in it but I'm in Boston for business and had nothing else to do and it was the type of movie to see on the big screen so I went.

I'll echo a lot of what others said:

- Batman origin AGAIN???

- First 45 minutes to an hour were just bad. Disjointed and weird.

- Eisenberg is just kind of the same in every movie. Fidgety and awkward. From the first trailer I always thought he looked horrible and I was right. At the VERY end he looked good, but that was it.

- TOO MUCH CGI. Like on the chase scene with Batman trying to get the Kryptonie. There was so much you could have easily done with real vehicles and explosions. The CGI made it look so fake!

- Logic??? WTF? So many unexplained stuff. So human blood into gu will clearly result in a mutant? So many motivations missing.

- The end picked up quite a bit despite the horrible bad guy.

- I was surprised they pushed the death of Superman so far, but I still didn't feel it too much because I knew there was no way he would actually be dead and not come back in future movies.

- Affleck was indeed the bomb.

- I left feeling like if they got a good writer and better director this could build into something decent, but with the box office it has Synder will probably be around to screw it up. If Affleck could use his power to somehow pull a mutiny and take over as director it could be something special.

Overall I enjoyed it more than I thought, especially after the first 45 minutes. Way better than the extremely scores it gets. Maybe in the C+ to B- range.

Just read the Gizmodo link that TCTTS posted. That was great. lol. The one thing I disagree with though is that I kind of liked that Batman killed people now. It was reflective of his character. He was old and jaded and had seen so much that he had become a killer. Other than the initial shock of "Wait.... did Batman just kill someone? I thought he never killed anyone?" I was in favor of this.

Another random question I thought of when viewing some easter egg videos earlier: why was Wayne Manor destroyed in the film?

It looks something like the burned down ruins from the Nolan Batfilms, but we should be in a different continuity, right?

If superman dies how is he supposed to be back in future JL movies?????