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And what is, at the end of the day, a children's movie is going to run two and a half hours. Seriously? The Dark Knight was bad enough. This looks even worse.

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1. Its not a Children's movie. Zootopia is a Children's movie. This is a comicbook movie.

2. Civil War is almost 2.5 hours. With so many characters and so much story to get to, I am 100% good with the long runtime.

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Go watch Zooptopia. It's animated, but it ain't a children's movie.

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Sooooo Sucker Punch with superheroes?

I know everyone was already expecting crap, but I'm honestly in shock at how unanimously hate-filled literally every single reaction I've seen is skewing. And these are from trusted / well known critics and journalists. Considering everything that's riding on this movie - really, potentially even the studio itself - I thought surely WB couldn't screw it up this bad. That they would at least put more effort into making sure the script was as good as they could possibly get it. Instead, it really does sound like the entire DC franchise is about to go down the drain.

So genuine question: how does this happen?

You're talking about what sounds like foundational story and character interpretation issues that had to be approved by the powers at DC that know these characters better than anyone.

I just can't comprehend that.

I'll take this with a grain of salt because critics gave MoS a hard time, and I still think that is better than multiple marvel movies including Thor 1 and 2, Captain America 1, and Iron Man 3. I expect it to be meh with a lot of pointless action from the sound of it.

DC doesn't have to approve anything. This is Warner Bros.' show.

Numerous people on here, myself included, stated that those early fantastic, gushing reviews stank of B.S. planted by the studio. Looks like we were right, sadly. I really did want this to be good. I wanted the failings of MoS to be corrected in this one. I was "meh" on the casting of Gadot and Eisenberg but loved the casting of Affleck. Too bad. Unless I see some really good reviews on here looks like I'll be waiting until this comes out on DVD.

Aren't those people at least really involved though? Or is DC sitting behind the scenes holding their heads in their hands as all this moves forward?

It just seems like there's got to be someone involved that would say "nope, this isn't good".

So is the early buzz merely a concerted effort to create momentum or is it a genuine reaction?

Does anyone know the main difference from this batman and the others? Does joker make an appearance? God I bet that was terrible as well.

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It has animal nudists walking around stark naked. And doing yoga. It's hilarious.

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It has animal nudists walking around stark naked. And doing yoga. It's hilarious.

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Apparently so. It's not the first mention I have seen of this either. Chris Stuckman mentioned it in his review, also noting that the film was a mess. One thing that he said, which I haven't read anywhere else, is that the film is essentially two parts. The first part being kind of a political thriller, and the second half being some sort of science fiction smash up (if I understand him correctly). He ended up giving the film a C+.

Here's his review:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4bmo6w/a_breakdown_from_a_studio_production_pov_of_why/

Here is a good explanation of the movie situation and how it happened along with why DC fans shouldn't be all that worried. Basically BvS was done purely as a setup for the DCU and the Justice League. The WB almost certainly knew it would be divisive (hence the embargo) and that the reason for the much darker tone was the failure of the recent Green Lantern movie. He's not saying there weren't mistakes, just that it's not as big of a failure as people currently think it is.

It was written by a guy who hated MoS and didn't think BvS would amount to much.

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I think a lot of it is that the critics don't really understand the intended audience. For an example:

That audience score is encouraging, no? Then again, not many general audiences have seen it.

Come on. Really? That's what you're going with?

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I'm not sure I would use Supergirl as a barometer for good story telling...... If that is where you are going to go with that. IMO the acting talent in BvS also exceeds that on Supergirl, which I think Chyler Leigh is probably the diamond in the rough on the show.

I don't understand how it has 118,000 audience reviews...

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Because I don't believe those aren't restricted by anything. Probably not a good idea to put much stock in the audience score before a film is released.

Yeah, obviously people are just rating it without having seen it. I somehow still continue to overestimate people.

Sidebar: @amznmoviereviews is an excellent follow on twitter.

I think BvS had like a 9.7/10 on IMDb a few days ago

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I'm not sure I would use Supergirl as a barometer for good story telling...... If that is where you are going to go with that. IMO the acting talent in BvS also exceeds that on Supergirl, which I think Chyler Leigh is probably the diamond in the rough on the show.

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Definitely not using it as a barometer for good storytelling. Supergirl is godawful yet the critics like it for some reason. My point was just that the critics a lot of the time don't really understand the superhero genre. A lot of them still think the old campy movies are how they should be when the comics haven't been campy in more than 30 years.

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When your argument reads just like a Donald Trump quote, that's basically when I stop reading.

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What exactly is the argument going on here? None of us have seen it yet.

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That's what I think is kind of funny. Most of us on here have voiced opinions in the past on some movie thread where we all disagreed with critics/each other. It literally happens on every single thread. That said, we all have said in the other thread that we feared this movie wouldn't be anywhere as good as we wish it would be and it probably won't. We know what we are probably getting and most us are still going to see it.