Flashdiaz said:
The difference is now, no one believes in the good in Kylo anymore.
Enter Rose. She's going to save him with love.
Flashdiaz said:
The difference is now, no one believes in the good in Kylo anymore.
Why do you keep bringing up the Rose getting run off social media stuff? Why even insert that in here? Is anybody even talking about her? I think 99% of the fans who hate TLJ agree that bullying a celebrity on social media over it is stupid and wrong. The only reason i can imagine why you would mention that here is you think some of the people discussing this movie on this thread endorse that activity or are engaging in it. If that's not the case, then who are you preaching to here with these repeated comments and posts?TCTTS said:Urban Ag said:You know, I was about to respond something to the effect of "get over it" but I actually sat through all 22 minutes of that and have to say........damn, TLJ was even worse than I thought. Wow.Towns03 said:This is my first time on the ETBoard, I came here to rip the Last Jedi as one of the worst movies I've ever seen. This clip does the job perfectly.bangobango said:
I think this guy sums a lot of the complaints up pretty well (Language warning):
Popping back in to share this exact sentiment. TLJ is, indeed, even worse than I thought, after watching that all the way through. It definitely put into words what I had been trying to express for a while now, while also shining a light on problems I had never even considered.
However... you know what I'm NOT going to do? Express ill will toward Rian Johnson, whine about it like I'm 12, try to drive any of the actors off social media, or boycott this franchise forever.
You know what I AM going to do? Get on with my life and not let this affect me in any way, shape, or form, because I'm a grown ass man with literally thousands of other movies and television shows I can find immense satisfaction in. Along with every thing else life has to offer.
Now, back to doing just that...
Farmer1906 said:
Couldn't the same argument be made for Vader?
he killed children (lots of them)
tried to kill mentor and best friend and years later actually did
choked his pregnant wife and eventually she died because of him
helped created one of the most devastating weapons in the galaxy.
killed made his daughter what her adopted home world get destroyed along with everyone she was close to
tried to kill his son (3x)
killed freedom fighters
killed women and children sand people
CJS4715 said:
If IX was supposed to be pretty heavy on Leia, it tells me they were considering redemption for Kylo. I'm not sure where you take the story now without her.
I think that's the main reason .... also, she stunned Poe.TooTall 06 said:CJS4715 said:
If IX was supposed to be pretty heavy on Leia, it tells me they were considering redemption for Kylo. I'm not sure where you take the story now without her.
Which makes it more frustrating why they didn't kill Liea off in TLJ. Now her story is a giant question mark. They could have easily let Leia die in space instead of going space Leia. It would have been a powerful death and sacrifice. Her scenes after space Leia weren't all that relevant besides talking with Luke.
Agree with this! Leia's death could have also served as the thing that snapped Luke back from the pity-party he was having on that island and prompted him to stop hiding out and act like a Jedi once again. He could have actually accompanied Rey and confronted Kylo. If he died in that confrontation, it would have been so much more satisfying (and in character IMO).TooTall 06 said:CJS4715 said:
If IX was supposed to be pretty heavy on Leia, it tells me they were considering redemption for Kylo. I'm not sure where you take the story now without her.
Which makes it more frustrating why they didn't kill Liea off in TLJ. Now her story is a giant question mark. They could have easily let Leia die in space instead of going space Leia. It would have been a powerful death and sacrifice. Her scenes after space Leia weren't all that relevant besides talking with Luke.
TooTall 06 said:CJS4715 said:
If IX was supposed to be pretty heavy on Leia, it tells me they were considering redemption for Kylo. I'm not sure where you take the story now without her.
Which makes it more frustrating why they didn't kill Liea off in TLJ. Now her story is a giant question mark. They could have easily let Leia die in space instead of going space Leia. It would have been a powerful death and sacrifice. Her scenes after space Leia weren't all that relevant besides talking with Luke.
This. This kind of terrible online behavior is literally everywhere.CJS4715 said:
Yea, the Rose stuff just means that people are ****ing crazy these days. I don't think it is necessarily a commentary on SW fandom - people just suck toward each other. Given that, I doubt anyone here has tweeted at Kelly Marie Tran, so it's kind of pointless to bring up in any real debate about the movies.
Urban Ag said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it were someday revealed that Lucas pursued Disney harder than Disney pursued Lucas. Also, out in the Wall Street world, Lucas has taken a lot of flak for selling Lucasfilm as low as he did, some business pundits even going so far as to say it's one of the worst mega deals they've ever seen executed (for the seller that is). Also wouldn't be surprised to learn he was ready the dump the whole damn thing and move on with his life.
I don't see it as obsession. I am discussing the franchise. The franchise just posted it's first big loss in the forty plus history of the franchise.John Matrix said:
This thread sucks now. It's one thing to hate a movie; it's another to obsess about that hatred. This board and thread specifically was always great during our yearly football meltdown for positivity and cool nerd stuff, and now it's just as bad as the threads I left. Just hate the movie and let it go.
Yes, to a point. But there is one HUGE, key difference.Farmer1906 said:
Couldn't the same argument be made for Vader?
he killed children (lots of them)
tried to kill mentor and best friend and years later actually did
choked his pregnant wife and eventually she died because of him
helped created one of the most devastating weapons in the galaxy.
killed made his daughter what her adopted home world get destroyed along with everyone she was close to
tried to kill his son (3x)
killed freedom fighters
killed women and children sand people
i don't think they were ever going for a redemption story with Kylo.SeattleAgJr said:
Yes, to a point. But there is one HUGE, key difference.
Vader sacrifices himself for his son. At least there is some redemption there, for that one thing only. He does a single selfishly unselfish thing to save his son. No the scales are not balanced, and he should not have been a force ghost at the end of Jedi.
Kylo has nothing like that. He has no love for anyone; he has noting to sacrifice himself for.
The ONLY sacrifice play he has is to kill himself, if it could theoretically destroy the dark side forever.
And as bad as TLJ is, they would not go that way with Ep 9.
One frowning glance at a time.CJS4715 said:Flashdiaz said:
The difference is now, no one believes in the good in Kylo anymore.
Enter Rose. She's going to save him with love.
as was episode 8 tooUlrich said:
They're not going anywhere in particular with anyone though. IX is a blank slate.
SeattleAgJr said:Yes, to a point. But there is one HUGE, key difference.Farmer1906 said:
Couldn't the same argument be made for Vader?
he killed children (lots of them)
tried to kill mentor and best friend and years later actually did
choked his pregnant wife and eventually she died because of him
helped created one of the most devastating weapons in the galaxy.
killed made his daughter what her adopted home world get destroyed along with everyone she was close to
tried to kill his son (3x)
killed freedom fighters
killed women and children sand people
Vader sacrifices himself for his son. At least there is some redemption there, for that one thing only. He does a single selfishly unselfish thing to save his son. No the scales are not balanced, and he should not have been a force ghost at the end of Jedi.
Kylo has nothing like that. He has no love for anyone; he has noting to sacrifice himself for.
The ONLY sacrifice play he has is to kill himself, if it could theoretically destroy the dark side forever.
And as bad as TLJ is, they would not go that way with Ep 9.
SF2004 said:
The greatest thing about Star Wars is the unbelievable pedestal that the original trilogy is place upon.
It is a standard heroes journey set in space folks... it just happens to be one that got kids of the 80's and 90's easily hooked because it came paired with cool toys to ask your parents for.
Couple that with ground breaking special effects and the most iconic villain and you have pretty standard movies become iconic.
TLJ wasn't my favorite but I will still see Episode IX
I chose Deadpool instead of Solo because well... Deadpool is awesome.
Still love Star Wars.
bangobango said:
I have posted several facts and opinions based on facts and most of those are met with ad hominem attacks rather than actual discussion, such as this post here.
troofUlrich said:
They're not going anywhere in particular with anyone though. IX is a blank slate.
bangobango said:Why do you keep bringing up the Rose getting run off social media stuff? Why even insert that in here? Is anybody even talking about her? I think 99% of the fans who hate TLJ agree that bullying a celebrity on social media over it is stupid and wrong. The only reason i can imagine why you would mention that here is you think some of the people discussing this movie on this thread endorse that activity or are engaging in it. If that's not the case, then who are you preaching to here with these repeated comments and posts?TCTTS said:Urban Ag said:You know, I was about to respond something to the effect of "get over it" but I actually sat through all 22 minutes of that and have to say........damn, TLJ was even worse than I thought. Wow.Towns03 said:This is my first time on the ETBoard, I came here to rip the Last Jedi as one of the worst movies I've ever seen. This clip does the job perfectly.bangobango said:
I think this guy sums a lot of the complaints up pretty well (Language warning):
Popping back in to share this exact sentiment. TLJ is, indeed, even worse than I thought, after watching that all the way through. It definitely put into words what I had been trying to express for a while now, while also shining a light on problems I had never even considered.
However... you know what I'm NOT going to do? Express ill will toward Rian Johnson, whine about it like I'm 12, try to drive any of the actors off social media, or boycott this franchise forever.
You know what I AM going to do? Get on with my life and not let this affect me in any way, shape, or form, because I'm a grown ass man with literally thousands of other movies and television shows I can find immense satisfaction in. Along with every thing else life has to offer.
Now, back to doing just that...
As far as Rian Johnson, I do not like the guy. I think you have to be a narcissists of the highest order to make some of the decisions that he made with a franchise with the history and fan base of Star Wars. The movie reeks of contempt for the franchise and its fandom, and his interviews since its release only confirm that.
Here is a link to a CNN Money interview he did in which he says that he does not believe ANY of the criticism he has received since TLJ is valid. The fact that he then goes on to state that the Empire Strikes Back would receive similar criticism for Luke losing a fight with Vader and Solo getting frozen in carbonite. Those comments tell me that the guy is not only arrogant, he also does not understand basic storytelling and character growth/progression.
Finally, is it boycotting if you just decide you don't want to give your money for the products these people are putting out? I mean, it's your cash that you work your ass off for everyday. I guess I don't think I owe Lucasfilm or Disney a dime if they're not going to put out products that I want to see or am interested in. You, I guess, feel that I do. I cannot agree with that.
There has been no discussion about Episode IX, because what is there left to discuss? I have zero desire to see that movie and I thought that the moment I walked out of the theater when I was still trying to process what I had just seen and why something just felt wrong about it. One of the first thoughts I had at the end of that movie is that it felt more like the end to a third film that it did the end to the second film in a trilogy. Whatever JJ Abrams comes up with for film three it most likely will be a story that could serve as a standalone, in that there is really only one plot line that needs to be resolved that relates back to films one or two.
There is nothing going on with Finn. There is nothing going on with Rose. There is nothing going on with Poe. There is nothing going on with Leia. There is Kylo and Rey's ridiculous romance and that's about it.
"Your grandfather first taught me the ways of the Jedi"Urban Ag said:
All I want for IX is Force Ghost Luke to appear to Rey and say "hey, so remember when you handed me my lightsaber and I just kind of tossed it over my shoulder? Yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking. In fact, I just wasn't myself the whole time you were on the island. Also, your parents were really, really, important people. Just FYI."