Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Agree, it's amazing how badly they fumbled the ball.

Things were still salvageable after TLJ imo, but TROS was so bad that it ruined the entire trilogy and made both TFA and TLJ far worse in retrospect.

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TFA basically undid everything significant from Ep 6. I was done at that point...from then on it was like someone just said; ok, let's make every character the polar opposite of what they were in the Original...and then add some characters that are either irrelevant in the name of inclusion (the black storm trooper, fat Asian chick, etc.) or since we don't really have any idea where this is going, let's just bring people back from being disintegrated because we killed our new villian in Ep 8...

I thought I was over this...I blame you for making me relive it. I'm going to open the Hibiki now and forget it again...

I would argue that even after TFA, things could have gone decently well.

They still had every opportunity to give Finn a great arc by leading a rebellion of stormtroopers, have Luke come back to help finish the fight against the First Order, and not undo everything they did when they made Rey "nobody" by making her a Palpatine and then forcing her into the Skywalker lineage. (No pun intended.)

And then not making the dumbass decision to bring back Palpatine rather than going all in on Kylo as the big bad of the trilogy. I remember being very excited when Snoke died because I figured they were throwing out the "obvious" Kylo redemption arc and actually doing something new.

Bringing back Palpatine is for me the unforgivable sin of the ST, since it renders all of 1-6 entirely meaningless.

Worst thing TFA did was never having the big three in a scene together.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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the unforgivable sin of the ST

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Mat Lanticus said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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the unforgivable sin of the ST

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There can be more than one unforgivable sin...they committed everyone possible.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I would argue that even after TFA, things could have gone decently well.

They still had every opportunity to give Finn a great arc by leading a rebellion of stormtroopers, have Luke come back to help finish the fight against the First Order, and not undo everything they did when they made Rey "nobody" by making her a Palpatine and then forcing her into the Skywalker lineage. (No pun intended.)

And then not making the dumbass decision to bring back Palpatine rather than going all in on Kylo as the big bad of the trilogy. I remember being very excited when Snoke died because I figured they were throwing out the "obvious" Kylo redemption arc and actually doing something new.

Bringing back Palpatine is for me the unforgivable sin of the ST, since it renders all of 1-6 entirely meaningless.

Worst thing TFA did was never having the big three in a scene together.

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Fin was never going to be a great hero. He was a man and woman trumps black man.
They ruined the Luke character...period. There was no bringing him back from being Frank Costanza.
Snoke...you, and many figured they actually had a plan...they didn't.
Rey...the only character in Star Wars that never required any training on anything to fully use absolutely every capability the Force had to offer ...
Even before bringing Palpatine back, they undead everything in 1-6 ... the new order was basically the old order and the rebels were a bunch of rag tag plucky fighters scattered across the galaxy with no leadership...totally doesn't sound familiar.
The whole sequel reminded me of Jimbo hiring Petrino...a big f/u to the fans.

Its insane to me they are even considering including any characters from 7,8,9.
Just tell new stories, its not hard.

PatAg said:

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Its insane to me they are even considering including any characters from 7,8,9.
Just tell new stories, its not hard.

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7, 8, and 9 never happened. That was your imagination.

The Collective said:

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But… there are more of us. There are more of us!

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Dozens?