Producers_96 said:gggmann said:
WTF did I just watch?
"Whine to Survive."
F1 is more about litigation than racing. It's more about the officials than the sport. Same problem the NFL has.
gggmann said:Producers_96 said:gggmann said:
WTF did I just watch?
"Whine to Survive."
F1 is more about litigation than racing. It's more about the officials than the sport. Same problem the NFL has.
Trust me, I know. Been following it since the '80s. Its just been a long time since I saw a dumpster fire like this, maybe the '05 US race.
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La Fours said:
I think the last time Max gave up the position was unnecessary. But with the 5 second penalty, and how his tires were declining, Lewis would have passed him anyway.
Exactly! Everyone is ragging on Lewis for not passing and running into the back of Max (oh, read the stewards full report - he braked enough for 2.4g declaration which isn't trivial). Now, if Lewis took the bait, Max got DRS, and retook the position everyone would be laughing at Lewis for falling for the trick. Max was trying a 5th grade playground bully trick and no one realizes that because they're too busy wanting to rag on Lewis for not falling for it.Enviroag02 said:
I get some of the Lewis hate with his social justice nonsense and racial stuff, but you guys are fooling yourself if you can't recognize Max's driving style his problematic. I think yall's hate for Lewis is clouding your vision.
numetalbizkitaggie said:
I think this incident is far more a product of the narrow track than anything else. Max was way over to the right in a left hand curve. Lewis didn't want to pass him before the drs detection zone. That really should have just been a racing incident in my opinion, because it was gamesmanship by the both of them. This is my issue with F1; everything is too over-regulated. I hate blue flags, for example, faster cars should have to work for it like in every other form of motorsport.
Max is super aggressive, always has been. He should shoulder more of the blame for his on track antics. He is one of the worst at pushing other drivers off of the track, and Lewis was right to comment on that. Blowing it on his qualifying lap was a terrible mistake that put him in this position to begin with. If he loses the title, he 100% choked it away. Max has the tools to be one of the greats, but his consistent unforced errors could see him be closer to Webber than Lewis.
I dislike Lewis for his whiney attitude and general hypocrisy. He came into the sport disobeying team orders from McLaren and cost himself and Alonso the 2007 title, then the stuff with Rosberg on top of that. Being super pro green energy when you drive racing cars for a living rubs me the wrong way. I may rolls my eyes occasionally at a british dude going BLM, but that's not all the reason I hate Lewis. (Never liked Seb Vettel either, for many of the same reasons, even though he's much more tame in his older age). I applaud Lewis for his honesty this weekend that he wasn't comfortable racing in Saudi Arabia. Honestly, I probably would have said the same.
All that said, I respect Lewis' greatness, even if I don't think he's the greatest of all time. Probably the second best qualifier of all time behind Senna, and the second best racecraft of all time behind Schumacher. (I didn't like The Michael either, but he had this crazy knack for qualifying 3rd-6th and still find a way to win the race).
Really not a fan of either driver in the title race, to be honest.
Old RV Ag said:Exactly! Everyone is ragging on Lewis for not passing and running into the back of Max (oh, read the stewards full report - he braked enough for 2.4g declaration which isn't trivial). Now, if Lewis took the bait, Max got DRS, and retook the position everyone would be laughing at Lewis for falling for the trick. Max was trying a 5th grade playground bully trick and no one realizes that because they're too busy wanting to rag on Lewis for not falling for it.Enviroag02 said:
I get some of the Lewis hate with his social justice nonsense and racial stuff, but you guys are fooling yourself if you can't recognize Max's driving style his problematic. I think yall's hate for Lewis is clouding your vision.
Given that Max is outrageously aggressive, and a crash would benefit Max, if I were Lewis I would not have wanted to go in a situation where he could take them out.
Agree Lewis is whiney. But, have you really ever listened to Max?! He's never accepted blame for anything. Then, the biggest drama queen of all time is Vettel - whoa, he had/has a warped sense of reality.texags08 said:Old RV Ag said:Exactly! Everyone is ragging on Lewis for not passing and running into the back of Max (oh, read the stewards full report - he braked enough for 2.4g declaration which isn't trivial). Now, if Lewis took the bait, Max got DRS, and retook the position everyone would be laughing at Lewis for falling for the trick. Max was trying a 5th grade playground bully trick and no one realizes that because they're too busy wanting to rag on Lewis for not falling for it.Enviroag02 said:
I get some of the Lewis hate with his social justice nonsense and racial stuff, but you guys are fooling yourself if you can't recognize Max's driving style his problematic. I think yall's hate for Lewis is clouding your vision.
Given that Max is outrageously aggressive, and a crash would benefit Max, if I were Lewis I would not have wanted to go in a situation where he could take them out.
Look, most of the rational people that do not like Ham can put the non racing related stuff aside, and still objectively say that Ham is a whiney b when he is not winning. He's a sore loser plain and simple. He overplays the victim card on every incident or outcome that is not in his favor. He doesn't take responsibility often. I won't say he never takes responsibility or is always whiney, but it has been enough this year that it easily defines him for the season.
I had a healthy disdain for Ham and Merc the last two season that were rooted in just wanting RB to beat them, Ham's non racing persona was and is still annoying to me so it definitely didn't help my opinion of him, but I don't let that part define my opinion of him. He defines that opinion every time he fails to take ownership of any shortcomings he is responsible for.
Enviroag02 said:
I get some of the Lewis hate with his social justice nonsense and racial stuff, but you guys are fooling yourself if you can't recognize Max's driving style his problematic. I think yall's hate for Lewis is clouding your vision.
Old RV Ag said:Exactly! Everyone is ragging on Lewis for not passing and running into the back of Max (oh, read the stewards full report - he braked enough for 2.4g declaration which isn't trivial). Now, if Lewis took the bait, Max got DRS, and retook the position everyone would be laughing at Lewis for falling for the trick. Max was trying a 5th grade playground bully trick and no one realizes that because they're too busy wanting to rag on Lewis for not falling for it.Enviroag02 said:
I get some of the Lewis hate with his social justice nonsense and racial stuff, but you guys are fooling yourself if you can't recognize Max's driving style his problematic. I think yall's hate for Lewis is clouding your vision.
Given that Max is outrageously aggressive, and a crash would benefit Max, if I were Lewis I would not have wanted to go in a situation where he could take them out.
Usually a tough fitness regimen and simulator work, with the occasional demonstration run with an older car. They can do some film work testing and some straight line testing prior to the pre-season test, but each no more than 50 km. They are very limited to the testing that they can do. Still, 100 km in the car is better than 0.Brad 98 said:
Question:
What do the drivers do in the offseason? I know they will unwind for a bit, but are they allowed to test the new cars before testing takes place next year in March?
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They're both aggressive drivers.
See, you should just expect Max to let Ham pass in the best possible scenario for Ham.Quote:
Regarding Max gaming the DRS zone for passing. That seems like pretty standard practice when given the opportunity. Was it not in the spirit? Yes. Was it over aggressive, especially given the state of his tires? Absolutely. But how can you sit her and call Max out on that as being an overaggressive dangerous driver but not acknowledge that Lewis was probably doing the exact same thing by trying to break and stay behind Max vs. passing when the position was being given to him.
