Let's go Jaw Jaw!
2026 SEC Baseball Tournament (5/19 -5/24)
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zephyr88 said:
The sheer number of successful challenges that overrule an umpire's call is quite amazing. Catchers are doing a good job taking care of their pitchers. But that's really no surprise - they know when a pitch is good/bad and they also know when they've done a good job with framing a pitch. Batters are also doing a resonable job as well.
It's much more high tech now. They're measuring individual players to adjust the strike zone to the individual player and not a standardized box. ABS looking more and more like a possibility.
The problem I see, and it's at the MLB level as well, is it's a single plane measurement and the strike zone is not. I've seen graphics the show the whole zone in the shape of the plate, and the technology is there for that to be the accurate zone. Until then, and as long as it's just a single plane, it will still have inaccuracies.
Derrick Mollica is in the bucket for this game. He's another that let's his emotions control him. Let's see if he can be like Goshay and call a decent game.
But the strike zone is a single plane. It is where the ball crosses the plate.
TOOTBLAN
What was that smell? Runner brain fart…trouble said:
TOOTBLAN
Maximus Johnson said:
But the strike zone is a single plane. It is where the ball crosses the plate.
The front of the plate? The middle of the plate? The back of the plate?
Maximus Johnson said:
But the strike zone is a single plane. It is where the ball crosses the plate.
Think about the shape of the plate, if the ball touches any part of that plate, at the proper vertical height, it's a strike. The plane they use, adjusted for vertical height, is like a piece of paper the width of the plate and the height of the strike zone placed at an arbitrary point. If the ball breaks that piece of paper, it's a strike. But, the actual zone is not a flat plane, it's a 3d shape of the plate and the vertical strike zone height.
Just looked it up and you are right per MLB rules. As long as it passes over any point of the plate it is a strike. The MLB ABS challenge system uses the midpoint of the plate to determine balls/strikes.
I was always told throughout my years of playing and coaching baseball it was the front of the plate. Guess I was taught wrong. Learn something new everyday.
I was always told throughout my years of playing and coaching baseball it was the front of the plate. Guess I was taught wrong. Learn something new everyday.
This is the strike zone, and they have the technology to used this. The fact they chose a single plane is head scratching.
Maybe bc umpires are calling them similar to a plane.
And I think it's just a rectangle, the back triangle does not count. That extra material in the triangle is actually for slides.
And I think it's just a rectangle, the back triangle does not count. That extra material in the triangle is actually for slides.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
They're more concerned with the outcomes than correctness. Imagine MLB implementing a "dynamic" strike zone which contracts when there's no offense and expands when games are running long. I could see it.
How much can a ball break between the front and back of home plate? And if a 3D box was used, would it include the back part of the plate?
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
LB12MEEN said:
Maybe bc umpires are calling them similar to a plane.
Then they're bad umpires. This is why I get frustrated with an umpire I call a "peeker". They look down at where the catcher catches the ball and let that influence their call.
I appreciate you looking it up and posting that. Just to clarify, I didn't mean my question to be sarcastic, I really didn't know the answer either!
trouble said:missinAggieland said:
Just so we're clear, LSU fans can spell L-S-U AND tigers.
And DWI
But they can't spell "go"
94chem said:
How much can a ball break between the front and back of home plate? And if a 3D box was used, would it include the back part of the plate?
Think 12-6 curveball. It might be an inch high at the front of the plate and the whole ball in the zone at the back of the plate. Look at the picture I posted above, that is the strike zone. And yes, the rule states any part of the plate, back corner included.
And they're calling balls and strikes at fractions of an inch with the current system, which is flawed.
Saw all the updates and assumed craziness in the early game. But nope, just the third day in a row for the same ABS discussion on the strike zone as a 2D plane versus a 3D space.
I'm not mad or anything, but I think the article shared yesterday explained it well - the 2-D model was more in line with how the game has been called, while the 3-D model while technically more accurate resulted in a significant increase in called strike.
I'm not mad or anything, but I think the article shared yesterday explained it well - the 2-D model was more in line with how the game has been called, while the 3-D model while technically more accurate resulted in a significant increase in called strike.
RGLAG85 said:zephyr88 said:
The sheer number of successful challenges that overrule an umpire's call is quite amazing. Catchers are doing a good job taking care of their pitchers. But that's really no surprise - they know when a pitch is good/bad and they also know when they've done a good job with framing a pitch. Batters are also doing a resonable job as well.
It's much more high tech now. They're measuring individual players to adjust the strike zone to the individual player and not a standardized box. ABS looking more and more like a possibility.
The problem I see, and it's at the MLB level as well, is it's a single plane measurement and the strike zone is not. I've seen graphics the show the whole zone in the shape of the plate, and the technology is there for that to be the accurate zone. Until then, and as long as it's just a single plane, it will still have inaccuracies.
Umpires have inaccuracy.
And I bet way more than ABS.
But yes, I'm sure it will evolve and get a little more precise.
I don’t get enough credit for the things I manage not to say.
For anyone who cares, currently:
Miss St - 2
UGa - 4
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Bottom 7
1 out and 2 on
Miss St - 2
UGa - 4
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Bottom 7
1 out and 2 on
1 out
You beat me to it (the correction)
That challenge shouldn't have been allowed. He looked at the dugout first
dabo man said:
For anyone who cares, currently:
Miss St - 2
UGa - 4
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Bottom 7
1 out and 2 on
We all care, just having a discussion because of all the challenges.
So what's everyone thinking so far. Like they are using ABS?
Gig ‘Em Baby!
As RedAg noted, we had this discussion yesterday as well and someone (my apologies for lack of attribution) posted the CBS sports article on why they went with the 2D middle of the plate strategy. I disagree with it, but it is what it is.
Even at the 2D level I do think it holds umps MUCH more accountable. The 2 punch outs in the 9th last night vs SwampKitty was a perfect example.
Even at the 2D level I do think it holds umps MUCH more accountable. The 2 punch outs in the 9th last night vs SwampKitty was a perfect example.
What happened last night, missed it.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
The State numbers are mucho grande!
Gig ‘Em Baby!
LB12MEEN said:
What happened last night, missed it.
Twice in the 9th LSU had strikeouts that they challenged and were turned into walks. If they had won the game those two challenges would have been talked about for a long time.
And both were pretty well out of the zone. Not one of those 0.1"ers. Both close to 2" outside of the already expanded buffer-zone strike-zone.
State made it a little interesting in the 9th getting the tying run to the plate, but Jawjuh wins 5-3.
Jaw jaw wins
UGa takes out Clanga, 5-3.
Anyone else been to Flora-Bama? This is how I'm imagining it this afternoon.
Anyone else been to Flora-Bama? This is how I'm imagining it this afternoon.
LB12MEEN said:
The State numbers are mucho grande!
I honestly really like the State uniforms overall... until you get to the numbers. They're god-awful.
Weird review in the Coastal game right now... crew review of a home run to right center... it clearly goes over the fence, it's fair by 60 feet... I have no idea what they're looking at.
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