I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I'd say with 100% certainty that he stepped intentionally to knock the grass down

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I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I agree. It looked like to me he was trying to get his line of sight so we know where the line up for a shot. He stepped on some tall grass. It's not like he was stomping grapes, or something. I think he was robbed. I hope he wins the tournament now.

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98Ag99Grad said:

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I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I'd say with 100% certainty that he stepped intentionally to knock the grass down

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Every other time its at the players discretion, unless video is 100% conclusive. I just dont think they have enough here with the way the rule reads.

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I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I'd say with 100% certainty that he stepped intentionally to knock the grass down

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Every other time its at the players discretion, unless video is 100% conclusive. I just dont think they have enough here with the way the rule reads.

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It's 1000% conclusive

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LOLOLOLOL

That grass wasn't even in the path of his club. It was a complete non factor which was why he didn't even bat an eye standing there.

I'm not a fan of Bryson but I don't think he purposely cheated. He probably wasn't aware of what he was doing. The guy was on the front page of the leaderboard and with Scheffler in the same group, all the cameras were gonna be on him. Would be a very dumb time to pull a fast one.

Looking at the videos, all that trampling around did improve his lie so it's fair that he got penalized. Intent doesn't matter.

I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that stepping on that grass helped him in any way. Even Smylie went in there and had no trouble hitting the shot from there and the grass wasn't a factor. This is so ridiculous.

I thought golf was supposed to be a game where the players police themselves. Unless the guy made people mad by being an American playing for LIV and having a YouTube channel and not playing with enough strategy or something I guess. Then you can just call penalties on him for, um, standing there behind his ball like like any other golfer alive would have done.

Even the rules official said it was not intentional

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I dont think you can say 100% either way after watching some videos. Yes, he definitely flattened some grass but did it improve the conditions affecting his stroke? I dont know that for a fact from the angles they have. In my opinion you defer to the player here. Hes a lot of things but dont think anyone has ever considered him a cheater.

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I'd say with 100% certainty that he stepped intentionally to knock the grass down

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Every other time its at the players discretion, unless video is 100% conclusive. I just dont think they have enough here with the way the rule reads.

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It's 1000% conclusive

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Not at all

The fact that he was over the ball, took a practice swing, hit the grass and looked back at what he hit, then went back to align himself, stepped on the grass AGAIN twice…

I just don't understand how someone could look at that footage and think he wasn't trying to knock the grass down.

And yet the fact that so many people do think it was innocent and within the rules must mean that it's not as clear-cut as you think. And if it's not clear-cut, you shouldn't penalize a guy.

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You can never truly know what any of these guys intended so that can never be the standard or you have no rules.

That's why you can only go what's on the tape. His guilt (so to speak) is the repeated steps he takes. Take only a step or 2 (while trying to look cautious) and he likely gets away with it. Multiple times stomping around like an elephant behind the ball and you get tagged.

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This is the product of slowing something down can prove anyone did anything. Let me ask you this...out of the ~130 guys playing today, how many do you think stepped on some grass that could have improved their lie today?

Multiple major champions have publicly said they don't agree. But here you are so sure of yourself.

Didn't they say intent was irrelevant? If it improved his lie it's a penalty. The guy cleared a big enough spot for a picnic regardless if it was intentional or not.

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Didn't they say intent was irrelevant? If it improved his lie it's a penalty. The guy cleared a big enough spot for a picnic regardless if it was intentional or not.

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Intent is irrelevant but a player still has to be allowed to address their shot.

As mentioned by multiple major winners and people who cover the sport, there's zero angle that shows anything he did led to an advantage. You can think it did or hope it did or listen to the very amateur interpretation from TGC who showed up hours after tons of people walked all over it. But that's not fact.

Then have the golf channel crew who couldn't have been more giddy to pile on and gush over the R&A for how stoic they were and how awful Bryson acted.

All over something I guarantee happened 50 times yesterday but wasn't being featured in step by step TV coverage.

Intention doesn't matter.

That said, Bryson cheated and got caught. Then he acted like a petulant child.

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However, not something that happened 50 times yesterday.

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Why, because you didn't see it? Were you watching every shot of 140+ players?

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However, not something that happened 50 times yesterday.

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Why, because you didn't see it? Were you watching every shot of 140+ players?

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1. There weren't 50 shots hit from waste high grass yesterday

2. Blatant cheating very rarely occurs on tour

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You're the one accusing him of blatant cheating. Nobody else, including TGC hacks.

Do you think he actually blatantly cheated? Actually why am I asking you, you think Wyndham made a natural move with his antics at the USO. Just checking some rough with his swings.