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The Arizona Diamondbacks have already agreed to install B1K for 2019. They will be the first baseball team since 1970 to rip out a grass field in favor of turf.

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At least the Diamondbacks will be giving it a trial run this season. The B1K turf product is what the Rangers are supposedly moving too. If it doesn't work out well in Arizona, hopefully there would still be time to reverse course and go back to grass prior to the 2020 season.

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The turf decision probably stems from these winter golf events that tore up the field a few years back. I'm guessing they want to be able to have more non baseball events without worrying about how it will affect the grass. So a non baseball decision for a baseball field. Lovely.

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Being able to host concerts without damaging the grass/playing surface is one of the reasons that has been mentioned in previous reports.

eleventy million places to have a concert in the DFW area and they want to put in turf for baseball. baffling.

Still haven't seen an answer to how the type of playing surface affects a fan's viewing surface. If we win the division, are y'all going to complain that we are playing on turf?

That said, if we're gonna go turf, let's go all the way and make it blue like BSU. That shouldn't negatively impact our fan experience either.

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Still haven't seen an answer to how the type of playing surface affects a fan's viewing surface. If we win the division, are y'all going to complain that we are playing on turf?

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I personally prefer not watching baseball played on carpet. Watch any highlights this spring from baseball played in Austin or Lubbock and tell me it doesn't affect your viewing experience.

They don't give a **** about baseball.

They want to have concerts and other stupid *****

I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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They don't give a **** about baseball.

They want to have concerts and other stupid *****

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This.

As soon as concerts at ballparks became a thing, it was all but guaranteed to not be grass.

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I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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We'll see. Sure the company selling it says it's great, but I'll believe it when I see it. Luckily we'll at least here about it from teams going to Arizona this year.

Interesting read on tanking: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/in-an-era-of-mlb-tanking-and-limited-spending-heres-an-appreciation-of-the-teams-trying-to-win-now/

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It's time to reassess the practice of tanking, though, and recognize it for what it is: cover for profit-hungry owners to line their pockets, at the expense of their own fans' entertainment. As analytics have taken hold over the past couple decades in baseball, a new mantra has emerged, one that argues that it's futile to try and scratch and claw your way to .500; better to be truly awful than mediocre.

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I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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Sure, people who grew up playing baseball and watching baseball their whole lives "most likely won't be able to tell the difference."

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I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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Orange carpet is as old as the game itself.

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I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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Orange carpet is as old as the game itself.

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If they do end up going with turf, the one silver lining will be real dirt infields and basepaths. I think the seats would be half empty all year if they installed something like that haha

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Interesting read on tanking: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/in-an-era-of-mlb-tanking-and-limited-spending-heres-an-appreciation-of-the-teams-trying-to-win-now/

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It's time to reassess the practice of tanking, though, and recognize it for what it is: cover for profit-hungry owners to line their pockets, at the expense of their own fans' entertainment. As analytics have taken hold over the past couple decades in baseball, a new mantra has emerged, one that argues that it's futile to try and scratch and claw your way to .500; better to be truly awful than mediocre.

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I think the owners are pinching pennies because they know the upcoming CBA fight will be tough for sure but the teams they lists as tanking and the ones they praise for going for it differ in one key area...cheap, young, controllable, good talent. DET, TEX, BAL, KC, MIA...they all have little or none of that. PHI, CIN, SD, CWS, etc...their systems are stacked with some great high end talent and much of what they have on the current 40 man came from within as well.

Meanwhile back when DET, BAL, TEX, and KC were all highly competitive the teams now being praised for trying to win were awful. Much of it is cyclical just in terms of the talent available to the teams.

But to reiterate...the owners are hoarding cash right now and it's getting more noticeable by the day.

And if concerts at the ball-park are going to be a regular thing now, sure would be nice for the season ticket holders to actually get a presale that doesn't have the same generic password that everybody knows. Halfway-decent Billy Joel tickets were gone in about 3 minutes this morning.

Tickets have been on sale since Monday for Amex, fan clubs, etc. All those seats were likely sold before the Rangers "presale" today.

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Tickets have been on sale since Monday for Amex, fan clubs, etc. All those seats were likely sold before the Rangers "presale" today.

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American Express and Verified Fan were the only two presales that occurred before the "Season Ticket Holder" presale this morning. I'm fine with both of those groups of people getting tickets early because they at least have to be vetted to a degree.

I googled this afternoon and saw the STH password being shared on a handful of websites/forums because it was 1) generic and 2) the same as it was for Paul McCartney.

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Tickets have been on sale since Monday for Amex, fan clubs, etc. All those seats were likely sold before the Rangers "presale" today.

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American Express and Verified Fan were the only two presales that occurred before the "Season Ticket Holder" presale this morning. I'm fine with both of those groups of people getting tickets early because they at least have to be vetted to a degree.

I googled this afternoon and saw the STH password being shared on a handful of websites/forums because it was 1) generic and 2) the same as it was for Paul McCartney.

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So there was a presale that started at 8am and another one that started at 10am. You looked for tickets this afternoon and were shocked there wasn't good inventory left?

I just logged into to the presale and there are a ton of great seats still available. But keep on with the snark. It's a really good look for a guy that's never posted on a Rangers thread before.

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I guess y'all didn't read the article I posted. It wouldn't be the same turf that's in Tampa or Toronto.

"Prefer not to watch a game played on carpet." Seriously? You most likely won't be able to tell the difference

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Orange carpet is as old as the game itself.

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They did say they would use dirt where there is normally dirt

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This is just another form of marketing to influence fan opinion.

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Exactly. Planted story.

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I just logged into to the presale and there are a ton of great seats still available. But keep on with the snark. It's a really good look for a guy that's never posted on a Rangers thread before.

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Does that really change his point? Anyone could buy this morning at 8am (season ticket holder or not) with the exact same generic password that was given out last time.

If this franchise had the clout of the Yankees or Red Sox I might understand, but for a team that will just be going through the motions for the 3rd straight year, I can see why the fanbase might have liked a perk not everyone could use.

Yup... "It's a natural kind of artificial!"

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This is just another form of marketing to influence fan opinion.

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Exactly. Planted story.

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It kind of feels like the Rangers wanted to put this article out to see what the reaction would be. Grant seems to make it clear that a decision hasn't been made yet, but here is what they would do if they did turf. So maybe if they get enough negative feedback it could have an impact?

So AP I take it you are the resident Rangers employee/rep.

What exactly is the process for seat selection in the new stadium? Everything thus far seems rather vague in how exactly appointment times and selection is going to take place. I know with A&M they could lean on "priority points", but since those don't exist with Rangers how is it going to be done?

Will season ticket holders with the longest tenure get first selection of anywhere in the ballpark, or just able to choose from a "similar area" to what they currently sit in, designated by Rangers?

Does a 10-year Corner Box season ticket holder get to choose his seats before a 2-year Lower Box season ticket holder?

Last email that got sent out mentioned "upgrade now in globe life park to get the best seats in globe life field" -- which makes me believe that it's about location and not tenure?