I don't know what would be better, fans showing up and just booing or doing fire nico chants...or hardly anyone showing up
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Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
Fans that stick through this are as pathetic as dudes who come home to their wife in bed with the mailman, and ask her for forgiveness. You're a like skid row meth addict at that point, there is zero reason to support this team and i don't know how it doesn't physically repulse you to even think about cheering for them. 20 years of Dirk, and by the grace of God should have been 20 more years of Luka, all done away with at 2 am on a Saturday night on the whim of one stooge. There's nothing to compare it to, it's simply unforgiveable.
Add in the stink of a new ownership group, who clearly has no loyalty to a home grown superstar.
At best they are cheap and don't want to pay him, at worst....Vegas?
At best they are cheap and don't want to pay him, at worst....Vegas?
Galborathelion said:
Fans that stick through this are as pathetic as dudes who come home to their wife in bed with the mailman, and ask her for forgiveness.
It's like that in every way except for no ways at all.
They'll change, it was a one time thing
Yeah, I've rethought a lot of my sports fandom over the last year or two. I read an editorial about a guy whose son ended up being a big fan of a rival team and how he eventually stopped being miserable over and started to just rooting for the rival team so he could have fun with his son watching games.
It really is kind of stupid how we invest so much time and emotion Ina team just because it's close to where we were born. I think it's alright to do it, but when ownership or management does something like this is think it's ok to say it is obvious you don't respect the time, money, and emotion i invest in this and therefore I'm going to invest time money and emotion into something else, such as another team, sport, etc.
It's kind of crazy how there are some many things that make rich people richer just because it has pre-created loyalty than is like impossible to destroy no matter what you do. Sports teams, IPs like Star Wars, etc.
It really is kind of stupid how we invest so much time and emotion Ina team just because it's close to where we were born. I think it's alright to do it, but when ownership or management does something like this is think it's ok to say it is obvious you don't respect the time, money, and emotion i invest in this and therefore I'm going to invest time money and emotion into something else, such as another team, sport, etc.
It's kind of crazy how there are some many things that make rich people richer just because it has pre-created loyalty than is like impossible to destroy no matter what you do. Sports teams, IPs like Star Wars, etc.
Luka Doncic has reportedly just closed on a new $15M house in Dallas last week pic.twitter.com/42xVtRDzOO
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yeah, seriously. that's why I like EPL so much, or just european and international soccer in general. The neighborhood stuff matters. The impossible to get season tix handed down through generations makes it so much stickier. The ability to buy equity in a lot of the teams matters. the having another team 5 mins down the road in the adjacent area of town b/c you can still sell out an 80k seat stadium with ease matters.Francis Macomber said:
Yeah, I've rethought a lot of my sports fandom over the last year or two. I read an editorial about a guy whose son ended up being a big fan of a rival team and how he eventually stopped being miserable over and started to just rooting for the rival team so he could have fun with his son watching games.
It really is kind of stupid how we invest so much time and emotion Ina team just because it's close to where we were born. I think it's alright to do it, but when ownership or management does something like this is think it's ok to say it is obvious you don't respect the time, money, and emotion i invest in this and therefore I'm going to invest time money and emotion into something else, such as another team, sport, etc.
It's kind of crazy how there are some many things that make rich people richer just because it has pre-created loyalty than is like impossible to destroy no matter what you do. Sports teams, IPs like Star Wars, etc.
I've got some of my closest mavs buddies seemingly getting to the acceptance and rationalization phase. I'm not close to being there yet. I'm in the I wish Nico was a gov't employee so we can call our congressman and have him investigated and audited cuz none of this stacks up phase.
People trying to make sense of the nonsensical because to accept the obvious truth destroys how folks have viewed sports for their entire lives. As I stated earlier in this thread, the NBA has devolved into rigged entertainment. The latest iteration of WWE.
The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business in decline. TV ratings are down 50% over the last 5-10 yrs and even more so over a longer period. White viewers are now a minority. And somehow, beyond all reason, the 25 yr old generational talent (a white guy no less) is traded for scraps to the most successful modern franchise in the 2nd largest market to replace the soon-to-be-retiring 40 yr old generational talent. Occam's Razor.
The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business in decline. TV ratings are down 50% over the last 5-10 yrs and even more so over a longer period. White viewers are now a minority. And somehow, beyond all reason, the 25 yr old generational talent (a white guy no less) is traded for scraps to the most successful modern franchise in the 2nd largest market to replace the soon-to-be-retiring 40 yr old generational talent. Occam's Razor.
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I never thought I'd be more angry at the organization than I was after they let Nash walk for more money despite him basically begging Cuban to increase his offer so he could stay in Dallas with Dirk. I've always assumed we win 1-2 more titles if Nash stays. But man, that feels like absolutely nothing in comparison to this.
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A few thoughts:PatAg said:shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:
What are y'all's thoughts about moving forward as basketball fans? I can't really see myself sticking it out with the Mavs through this…I see a few possibilities personally.
A) follow Luka to LA and keep supporting him
B) switch up and support the Rockets…I was born in Houston, have family that are big Rockets fans, and I have never really viewed pro sports rivalries as real
C) just completely check out of the NBA
C feels like the most likely option and maybe I just passively pay attention to Luka and other guys I like.
If you've been a Mavs fan your whole life it's really simple. Keep following the Mavs. I legitimately don't understand people who say they aren't going to be Mavs fans anymore.
Yes it sucks, and we are probably looking at many years in the wilderness starting in a few years. But I'm just supposed to change allegiances or stop caring about my childhood team I grew up with because they made a ******ed trade? I don't know how I can do that.
Rooting for another team is silly but it's very odd that you aren't as upset as every other Mavs fan is.
I don't get how you could seemingly be a huge fan and not be turned off by everything involving this trade
1. There is no point in the histrionics and the performative outrage. I'm sorry that my reaction hasn't reached the level of disdain that you would prefer. I've been a Mavs fan my whole life. Before Luka, Nico, and the Adelsons. It was always going to last longer than Luka, Nico, and the Adelsons. I was never going anywhere. So I can be down about the trade, and realize there is no point in performing the hysteria.
2. The team is still going to be good this year and in the immediate future. AD is still a top 10 player. The roster is still deep. That definitely softens the blow a little.
3. I guess this is the Luka part of it. I agree with much of what Nico has implied and said about Luka. Luka was able to shed a lot of the narratives about him because of the finals run, but it doesn't mean that anything had actually changed about him. It hadn't.
I'm not as convinced as many that Luka was guaranteed to bring a championship here. We all know the reasons. A ton of stuff about him I found very annoying. It's annoying stuff that can be overlooked if you can win it all, but it's also stuff that prevents you from winning it all.
Remember Game 1 of the LAC series last year? Luka had clearly gotten fat over the 2 weeks he had off before the start of the playoffs. He just had. There's no denying it. That's really ****ing annoying. Then, after Game 1, there were narratives abound about his lack of focus and arguing with the refs. So the next game he didn't say anything to the refs and he completely changed his playing style instead of trying to foul-bait. That's really annoying that he had to play terribly and let narratives go crazy for him to change his play to a winning style. Then, he had another one of those games, narratives went crazy again, and he changed his game again.
You know what's also annoying? That I had to accept that we would almost definitely lose games at NO or at LAC in the regular season because Luka wanted to go out in those cities the night before. I just had to accept that the Mavs were a team that was going to have to find a way in the playoffs and then be a really tough out for anybody. Luka can't just be in shape, not party in big cities, and compete for a top 2 seed.
All that can be true, and I can still think it's a bad trade. I do think it's a bad trade. I wish the Mavs would not have done it.
TheRatt87 said:
People trying to make sense of the nonsensical because to accept the obvious truth destroys how folks have viewed sports for their entire lives. As I stated earlier in this thread, the NBA has devolved into rigged entertainment. The latest iteration of WWE.
The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business in decline. TV ratings are down 50% over the last 5-10 yrs and even more so over a longer period. White viewers are now a minority. And somehow, beyond all reason, the 25 yr old generational talent (a white guy no less) is traded for scraps to the most successful modern franchise in the 2nd largest market to replace the soon-to-be-retiring 40 yr old generational talent. Occam's Razor.
I am not sure you're clear on what Occam's Razor means, because it's like the opposite of how you're applying it.
Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
This is dumb and I will not believe any of these narratives that were bound to come out.
Pelinka was always going to take a victory lap and say "look I could have given up even more."
Nico did not just leave extra assets on the table just because.
He absolutely did by not shopping the deal around the leagueshack009 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
This is dumb and I will not believe any of these narratives that were bound to come out.
Pelinka was always going to take a victory lap and say "look I could have given up even more."
Nico did not just leave extra assets on the table just because.
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Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
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That's not what was being discussed.ramblin_ag02 said:He absolutely did by not shopping the deal around the leagueshack009 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
This is dumb and I will not believe any of these narratives that were bound to come out.
Pelinka was always going to take a victory lap and say "look I could have given up even more."
Nico did not just leave extra assets on the table just because.
You are having a different discussion.
Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not possible that there was an initial deal that included Knecht and another first round pick, and Pelinka talked Nico out of it.
Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
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shack009 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not possible that there was an initial deal that included Knecht and another first round pick, and Pelinka talked Nico out of it.
The linked clip implies (or at least, my takeaway from listening) was that the initial deal included everything Dallas ended up getting PLUS Knecht and additional picks, and then we still did the deal after LA removed two or three of the most valuable assets in the deal.
No, that's not possible
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I think the type of idiot that would trade Luka, and in that process only discuss it with one team, is absolutely thr sort of GM to abused in said trade.
Just be upset with us for a couple of days
It's not a different discussion. If Nico had shopped around the deal, LA would have had to do way better than AD, Christie and a single 1st.shack009 said:That's not what was being discussed.ramblin_ag02 said:He absolutely did by not shopping the deal around the leagueshack009 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
This is dumb and I will not believe any of these narratives that were bound to come out.
Pelinka was always going to take a victory lap and say "look I could have given up even more."
Nico did not just leave extra assets on the table just because.
You are having a different discussion.
Assuming no conspiracy, it's clear that Nico was obsessed with getting AD at any cost, and I could totally see the Lakers GM being stingy and Nico having to back down. I could totally see Nico calling and begging for AD and probably asked for all that other stuff in the first discussion. Then he got talked down to the deal we see today. None of that is outlandish or crazy
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Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
That's not what he said. He said "the deal was bigger" and "the deal got whittled down."
Maybe he meant something else and worded it in a clunky way, but we can only address what he said. What he said is stupid.
Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
Ok, but again that's not the same thing. The clip clearly implies there was an AGREEMENT for those additional assets in place.
You keep trying to frame the claim in different ways to avoid acknowledging that, as presented, the scenario is something a child wouldn't fall for. It's just not believable.
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shack009 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
That's not what he said. He said "the deal was bigger" and "the deal got whittled down."
Maybe he meant something else and worded it in a clunky way, but we can only address what he said. What he said is stupid.
Exactly
Getting fleeced in a negotiation is very different from "hey that deal we had? Yeah I'm taking away about half of it and you're still gonna accept it". The scenario presented in that clip has never happened once in the history of professional sports.
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My friend already sent me an aggregation tweet of that segment and people are clearly inferring there was a large deal that was agreed upon and then Pelinka just berated Nico in to taking less.
So dumb.
So dumb.
shack009 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
That's not what he said. He said "the deal was bigger" and "the deal got whittled down."
Maybe he meant something else and worded it in a clunky way, but we can only address what he said. What he said is stupid.
I think he's telling it from the LA perspective and that's probably his source and it is probably worded in a clunky way.
But I think that it's totally reasonable to think that Nico came in and asked for those assets and the Lakers privately said yeah, we're absolutely doing that, but let's see if we can take some off the board and if Dallas is desperate enough to get rid of Luca to agree to it.
So I think in that sense La played Nico because they also knew that there aren't any other two-way big men besides giannis who Milwaukee would never trade and Milwaukee wouldn't be confident that Luca would stay there
This is the scenario in my head. I don't think there was ever even a handshake agreement on all of that and then the Lakers backed out. I bet Nico asked, and LA was happy to go along with all of it. LA played hardball just because, and Nico foldedGuitarsoup said:shack009 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not believable that LA said "sure we'll give you three or four additional assets" (at least two of which would have been more valuable than the second most valuable asset in the final trade), then took ALL those additional assets away and the deal still went through. That's a very different thing than simply selling a guy for pennies on the dollar. The latter happens all the time. The scenario you presented literally never happens because pro sports GMs aren't 7 years old.
It's a negotiation. It's absolutely possibly that Nico went in and asked for AD, Knecht, Max and 2 firsts and ended up just getting AD, Max and 1 first. That's completely within the realm of possibility
That's not what he said. He said "the deal was bigger" and "the deal got whittled down."
Maybe he meant something else and worded it in a clunky way, but we can only address what he said. What he said is stupid.
I think he's telling it from the LA perspective and that's probably his source and it is probably worded in a clunky way.
But I think that it's totally reasonable to think that Nico came in and asked for those assets and the Lakers privately said yeah, we're absolutely doing that, but let's see if we can take some off the board and if Dallas is desperate enough to get rid of Luca to agree to it.
So I think in that sense La played Nico because they also knew that there aren't any other two-way big men besides giannis who Milwaukee would never trade and Milwaukee wouldn't be confident that Luca would stay there
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can't agree with you there. There's been nothing coming out to indicate that he played hardball at the negotiating tableshack009 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
This is dumb and I will not believe any of these narratives that were bound to come out.
Pelinka was always going to take a victory lap and say "look I could have given up even more."
Nico did not just leave extra assets on the table just because.
nevermind, I read it the opposite of how you were saying it....agreed. nico didn't voluntarily take less...he's just a ****ty negotiatorshack009 said:Guitarsoup said:Infection_Ag11 said:Guitarsoup said:
https://streamable.com/99m6iy
Deal originally had Knecht and multiple firsts and Pelinka worked Nico over to take assets out.
My man, that's not even remotely in the realm of feasibility. It's Jewish space lasers stuff.
It's not remotely in the realm of possibility that Nico got absolutely cooked on this trade?
It's not possible that there was an initial deal that included Knecht and another first round pick, and Pelinka talked Nico out of it.
Another story out there is that Pelinka asked to speak to Luka's agent to confirm with Luka various things and Nico didn't want him to do that prior to agreeing to the deal, and I have zero doubt Pelinka used the lack of communication/confirmation with Luka as leverage to get a lesser deal approved.
In other words Nico was concerned it would leak, Luka would be upset, the fanbase would be upset, and he knows better so he took the lesser deal to get AD and get out of the way of Luka's contract.
If this Super Max stuff turns into teams ducking the possibility by dumping superstars so they can avoid the luxury tax it's going to be the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to the league.
In other words Nico was concerned it would leak, Luka would be upset, the fanbase would be upset, and he knows better so he took the lesser deal to get AD and get out of the way of Luka's contract.
If this Super Max stuff turns into teams ducking the possibility by dumping superstars so they can avoid the luxury tax it's going to be the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to the league.
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