***Official 2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread***

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4:44p, 7/1/24
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 4:47p, 7/1/24
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Made the right choice if he wants to win.
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In reply to shack009 • 5:24p, 7/1/24
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shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
post all star break 2024 stats for klay:

18.9 ppg
44 3 pt shooting %
45% overall %
I think that was about when they started to bring him off the bench. I'm guessing the Mavs guaranteed a starting spot.


I seriously doubt Dallas is planning to start Luka/Kyrie/Klay, that's a very below average defensive collection of players to start a game with

They will likely start Luka/Kyrie/Marshall/Washington/Lively. Klay's role will largely be to provide another reliable scoring option with either Luka or Kyrie is on the bench. I'm sure they'll close lots of games together though.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 5:39p, 7/1/24
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That would be my preference, but one of the reasons he left the warriors was because they were asking him to come off the bench and he didn't want to do that. Lakers were probably offering a guaranteed starting spot. Just trying to connect some dots.

If Klay will be happy coming off the bench and also guarding the other team's best player in the final 5 minutes of a game then that's great.
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In reply to shack009 • 6:00p, 7/1/24
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shack009 said:
That would be my preference, but one of the reasons he left the warriors was because they were asking him to come off the bench and he didn't want to do that. Lakers were probably offering a guaranteed starting spot. Just trying to connect some dots.

If Klay will be happy coming off the bench and also guarding the other team's best player in the final 5 minutes of a game then that's great.


Agreed
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 6:04p, 7/1/24
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Infection_Ag11 said:
shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
post all star break 2024 stats for klay:

18.9 ppg
44 3 pt shooting %
45% overall %
I think that was about when they started to bring him off the bench. I'm guessing the Mavs guaranteed a starting spot.


I seriously doubt Dallas is planning to start Luka/Kyrie/Klay, that's a very below average defensive collection of players to start a game with

They will likely start Luka/Kyrie/Marshall/Washington/Lively. Klay's role will largely be to provide another reliable scoring option with either Luka or Kyrie is on the bench. I'm sure they'll close lots of games together though.
I would bet they start Klay just from an ego perspective.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:19p, 7/1/24
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Guitarsoup said:
Infection_Ag11 said:
shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
post all star break 2024 stats for klay:

18.9 ppg
44 3 pt shooting %
45% overall %
I think that was about when they started to bring him off the bench. I'm guessing the Mavs guaranteed a starting spot.


I seriously doubt Dallas is planning to start Luka/Kyrie/Klay, that's a very below average defensive collection of players to start a game with

They will likely start Luka/Kyrie/Marshall/Washington/Lively. Klay's role will largely be to provide another reliable scoring option with either Luka or Kyrie is on the bench. I'm sure they'll close lots of games together though.
I would bet they start Klay just from an ego perspective.


Also let's not act like "starting" means a whole lot. If he's starting but only playing 25-30 min, that's basically a 6th man role.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 6:28p, 7/1/24
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Exactly. He was just under 30 minutes per game this season. Mavs would do well to keep him at 20-25 per game for the regular season. Maybe some nights Grimes and/or Marshall are feeling it and Klay is on the low end of that or below 20 minutes. Maybe he is closing some games and maybe he isn't depending on matchup and performance (his and other players on the team).

It's probably the best thing to maximize his longevity and effectiveness. Hopefully he understands this.
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6:28p, 7/1/24
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Klay is going to average 7 made 3's a game
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6:36p, 7/1/24
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https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2024/6/29/24188222/dallas-mavericks-schedule-set-for-nba-summer-league-in-las-vegas-time-tv-channel

I was trying to find out if the Mavs had announced the Summer League roster yet and this article says that Nico recently said that OMax grew 3 inches over the last year. Had anybody else seen that? So OMax is like 6'10"ish now? That would be wild.
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7:57p, 7/1/24
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I expect a lot of games off for Luka, Kyrie and Klay where 2 of the 3 start. I can't see all three playing big minutes 70+ games
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 8:58p, 7/1/24
Infection_Ag11 said:
shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
post all star break 2024 stats for klay:

18.9 ppg
44 3 pt shooting %
45% overall %
I think that was about when they started to bring him off the bench. I'm guessing the Mavs guaranteed a starting spot.


I seriously doubt Dallas is planning to start Luka/Kyrie/Klay, that's a very below average defensive collection of players to start a game with

They will likely start Luka/Kyrie/Marshall/Washington/Lively. Klay's role will largely be to provide another reliable scoring option with either Luka or Kyrie is on the bench. I'm sure they'll close lots of games together though.

Klay is going to be starting. Jason kidd has proven time and time again that doesnt really matter though. Ex: Gafford and Lively
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In reply to rsf0626 • 9:51p, 7/1/24
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For sure, I'm still expecting Gafford to be starting games at the start of the year, but with Lively getting most of the center minutes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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12:02a, 7/2/24
Honestly thought I was lost and in another teams thread for a minute there. As a mavs fan, I'm not used to so much competence and plans actually working out.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 6:43a, 7/2/24
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Grapesoda2525 said:
Honestly thought I was lost and in another teams thread for a minute there. As a mavs fan, I'm not used to so much competence and plans actually working out.


Haha right? I've been super impressed with Nico. This is back to back Draft/FA periods where he seemed to have a plan to attack the roster's weaknesses, and swiftly executed it. (Never mind the trade deadline stuff which has also been awesome)

Last year it was front court depth and rim protection: He nabs Grant Williams and executes draft night trades to get Lively and OMax.

This year it was shooting, Tim Hardaways father, and 2 way versatility: He gets Klay, then sends Tim's dad back to Detroit for Grimes and then smartly pivots to Naji Marshall when the DJJ deal unravels.

Aggressive but smart. It's nice.
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In reply to rsf0626 • 8:01a, 7/2/24
rsf0626 said:
Infection_Ag11 said:
shack009 said:
zgolfz85 said:
post all star break 2024 stats for klay:

18.9 ppg
44 3 pt shooting %
45% overall %
I think that was about when they started to bring him off the bench. I'm guessing the Mavs guaranteed a starting spot.


I seriously doubt Dallas is planning to start Luka/Kyrie/Klay, that's a very below average defensive collection of players to start a game with

They will likely start Luka/Kyrie/Marshall/Washington/Lively. Klay's role will largely be to provide another reliable scoring option with either Luka or Kyrie is on the bench. I'm sure they'll close lots of games together though.

Klay is going to be starting. Jason kidd has proven time and time again that doesnt really matter though. Ex: Gafford and Lively


Let's just cross our fingers and hope we didn't spend $50M on JJ Redick.
94chem,
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 8:41a, 7/2/24
M.C. Swag said:
Grapesoda2525 said:
Me Honestly thought I was lost and in another teams thread for a minute there. As a mavs fan, I'm not used to so much competence and plans actually working out.


Haha right? I've been super impressed with Nico. This is back to back Draft/FA periods where he seemed to have a plan to attack the roster's weaknesses, and swiftly executed it. (Never mind the trade deadline stuff which has also been awesome)

Last year it was front court depth and rim protection: He nabs Grant Williams and executes draft night trades to get Lively and OMax.

This year it was shooting, Tim Hardaways father, and 2 way versatility: He gets Klay, then sends Tim's dad back to Detroit for Grimes and then smartly pivots to Naji Marshall when the DJJ deal unravels.

Aggressive but smart. It's nice.
Donnie front office would have said " DJ is one of our own and we will wait on him". Meanwhile 95% of the free agents will sign elsewhere, DJ would have picked the clippers, and we would all be shaking our fists.
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In reply to Grapesoda2525 • 8:56a, 7/2/24
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100%

And the whole Klay scenario would have been us getting played so he could go to the Lakers
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In reply to shack009 • 8:58a, 7/2/24
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shack009 said:
For sure, I'm still expecting Gafford to be starting games at the start of the year, but with Lively getting most of the center minutes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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12:51p, 7/2/24
Starting lineup will be Kyrie, Klay, Luka, PJ, Lively. That is a great offensive lineup and (at best) a passable defensive lineup. Ultimately I don't think it matters much though because substitutions will start happening within 5 minutes of the start of the game.

I'm thinking you will mostly see 2-man combinations of Luka / Klay, Luka / Kyrie, and Kyrie / Klay + 3 defenders on the court. Really the only other "offense only" player is Hardy who will get some burn, plus it is guaranteed there will be injuries during the season for him to step up. Otherwise you have a bunch of mostly defensive oriented players (Exum, Grimes, Naji, Maxi, OMax, PJ, Lively, Gafford) to mix and match around those offensive initiators.

As far as closing lineups, I think it will be driven by the score. If the Mavericks are behind you will probably see Luka, Kyrie, Klay lineups. If they are ahead someone will be subbed out for another defender (or two). I imagine that will be pretty fluid. To round out the roster I would like them to get DSJ if possible. Having a defender for smaller, quicker guards would be nice to have on the roster.
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In reply to jeffdjohnson • 12:59p, 7/2/24
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I've also completely talked myself in to Klay being able to defend well at the end of games because he's only played 20 minutes the first 3 quarters and he also hasn't been running himself silly on offense all game like GS had him doing.
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In reply to shack009 • 1:17p, 7/2/24
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The problem is Klay has to be running silly to utilize his skill set. His open catch and shoot three % is the same as a number of cheap available 3 and D players. What makes him unique is his shooting percentage on the move off screens and on contested jumpers. He had over 150 more shot attempts coming off screens last year than the player with the second most in the league (Curry).

If we aren't planning to fundamentally adjust how we play offense, these moves are just a waste of money. Dallas has to utilize off ball screens and movement MUCH more to get value out of Klay. People have this idea that he's this incredible open catch and shoot guy that has value in that skill alone, and it just isn't true. Hes just a really expensive version of a very common, generic NBA player if that's all we plan to do.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 1:22p, 7/2/24
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I'm sure we will be doing way more of that than we have seen since we have drafted Luka, but Klay won't be running near as much as he was with GS. He was running more than any player in the league at times based on distance traveled. This isn't a 100% catch and pass and relocate offense like GS had. Klay will get his movement shots, but he also won't be running the baseline non-stop and passing and cutting through the lane. He'll be able to take some possessions off for a PNR lob play. It won't be near the same.
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1:31p, 7/2/24
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If Klay and DJJ both hit 38% of their threes next year, the difference will be that the defense respected Klay and didnt sag off whole the defense let DJJ stay open to shoot to double on Harden and Kawhi.

That makes Luka, Kyrie and the rest of the offense more efficient even if Klay isn't specifically more efficient (but he will be.) this will allow more lobs to DL and DG because the defense can't collapse off Klay.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:36p, 7/2/24
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I get your point, but if DJJ makes 38% of his 3s next year I will be really sad. He had his best shooting year last year and he was at 34.3%. I will be really really sad if he makes that big of a jump lol.
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In reply to shack009 • 1:50p, 7/2/24
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Yeah, I don't think he would, but easy comparison that people are familiar with.

DJJ hit 35% of wide open threes in the playoffs and regular season.

Klay shot 40% on threes while guarded tight and that was 18% of his total shots taken

Just swap it with Jeremy Sochan. If he hits threes like that, it's because defenses are collapsing on Wemby lobs and they don't care what Sochan does with his ugly shot
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 3:35p, 7/2/24
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Infection_Ag11 said:
The problem is Klay has to be running silly to utilize his skill set. His open catch and shoot three % is the same as a number of cheap available 3 and D players. What makes him unique is his shooting percentage on the move off screens and on contested jumpers. He had over 150 more shot attempts coming off screens last year than the player with the second most in the league (Curry).

If we aren't planning to fundamentally adjust how we play offense, these moves are just a waste of money. Dallas has to utilize off ball screens and movement MUCH more to get value out of Klay. People have this idea that he's this incredible open catch and shoot guy that has value in that skill alone, and it just isn't true. Hes just a really expensive version of a very common, generic NBA player if that's all we plan to do.
Nothing about the Mavs offense will hurt Klay. He can still curl around screens and get movement looks if he wants. He can also save his legs and drill wide open shots that Luka or Kyrie create. Maybe his C&S 3% is similar to 'cheap 3&D' players, but his gravity isn't. Last year he shot 38% on 9 3PA per game. That's great shooting on elite volume and he will bend defenses just by being on the court.

And honestly the Mavs offense SHOULD change to more movement shooting because more teams are going to copy the Celtics defensive formula and cover the corners while allowing Luka to iso. If Luka and Kyrie can't get their iso buckets to fall, we'll need someone who knows how to use a screen to fire off a quick shot.

Regardless this team needed an infusion of a reliable 3pt threat.
  • After the trade deadline, Dallas shot 36% from three as a team. - - Klay shot 38% for all of last season.
  • In the NBA Finals, they shot 29.4 percent on above-the-break threes. - - Klay shot 38% from above the break for all of last season.
  • On wide-open threes, classified as the closest defender being six or more feet away, Dallas shot 37.1 percent in the playoffs, and a dreadful 31.1 percent in the Finals. - - Klay shot 37% on wide open 3s for all of last season.

Even if we change NOTHING about how we play, Klay profiles as someone who's shooting will improve the team offense simply by his gravity and increased efficiency. And those improvements are further amplified when you simply need him to be better than THJ (a player that made the Mavs worse in every measurable category when he was on the court).
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3:53p, 7/2/24
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Yeah, because of the attention Klay draws coming around screens, we will also get attempts for PJ and the centers to set screens and roll open to the basket when both defenders jump out at Klay. Klay allows you to add so much to the offense just because of how scary he is. Plus we have Lively who can make decisions as a passer a la Draymond. Mavs can take a lot from what GS did on offense.

At the same time, Klay doesn't have to run for miles and miles like he did non-stop for GS.
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9:29p, 7/2/24
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40483365/dad-disappointed-klay-thompson-picked-mavericks-lakers

Sweet parenting
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10:21p, 7/2/24
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Warriors turn the Klay TPE in to Kyle Anderson lol. The anti-Klay in every way.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:56a, 7/3/24
zgolfz85 said:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40483365/dad-disappointed-klay-thompson-picked-mavericks-lakers

Sweet parenting
It's interesting that the Warriors had 4 legacy players in Curry, Thompson, Jackson-Davis, and Payton.
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9:31a, 7/4/24
How's Luka's health and conditioning going?
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Been burning a lot of calories avoiding Mike Finley.

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9:47a, 7/4/24
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Just feels like it's going to be tough to keep him healthy with him going the Olympics route again. It'll hopefully keep him more fit, but was hoping he'd opt out selfishly
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In reply to TheMasterplan • 9:50a, 7/4/24
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TheMasterplan said:
How's Luka's health and conditioning going?


From what I have heard/read, not great. Apparently he just looks a step slow and laboring still.
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