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Dre_00 said:

I don't have a link but on Twitter BBC claimed FA had already decided no further action.


Certainly appears to be true. Like I said, I wouldn't have been up in arms had they banned him, I just didn't think they had to stones to do it.

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Dre_00 said:

FA isn't taking action. Honestly...kinda looks like a "get off me" move.

That said, I firmly believe reputation plays a factor in this stuff. Everyone loves Salah. If that was Rooney, he'd probably be banned.
And if it was Luis Suarez they would have made it a 9 match ban.
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If that was Suarez, he would deserve a 19 game ban.
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datrixstunna said:

If that was Suarez, he would deserve a 19 game ban.
Only because they would get some piece of trash like Patrice Evra to make up a story
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That Suarez eventually admitted to saying?
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Dre_00 said:

That Suarez eventually admitted to saying?
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Dre_00 said:

That Suarez eventually admitted to saying?


He admitted to using the Spanish word "negro". Suarez's grandfather was black. Why rehash and revise?
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Yeah, I'm not going to get too far into this again but...he admitted to using the word but said it's OK because it isn't a bad word and his grandpa is black. Common sense should tell you he's full of it. If it doesn't, then I can't help you.
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And for the record, Rooney has deserved virtually every ban he's ever received.
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Dre_00 said:

That Suarez eventually admitted to saying?
He didn't make up Suarez's words, just the offense.

That lingo is common in South America, the british just played it up. Evra knew what he was doing. He couldn't stop him on the field so he resorted to gamesmanship...the dirtiest kind. He knew Luis' reputation and he just baited him. Good for him, stupid on Luis....

Luis is still the same guy in Spain, but opponents can't use that tactic in La Liga because Spanish culture is more socially relaxed.

That would have never worked for Rooney though, the Spanish would have never accepted his flabby body.
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Here goes nothing...

Everything you are saying can in no way be true.

https://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/20/sport/football/suarez-racism/index.html

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Scholars who have studied race issues in Latin America say that such a term can have different meanings and connotations in different nations.

Generally, however, negrito is not considered a racial slur in Latin America, said Mark Sawyer, director of the Center for the Study of Race, Ethnicity and Politics at the University of California Los Angeles. "It's often a term of endearment," he said.

But Dr. Carmen Fracchia, a Paraguayan who works in the Iberian and Latin American Studies department of Birkbeck University of London, told CNN that the term is not affectionate when it refers to strangers.

I'm far from an expert in Spanish linguistics but seems pretty apparent that there's a lot of "grey" here. Like so many other things in language, context matters. If you use that word in reference to a stranger, it has a completely different meaning and intent than when you use it to someone you know. So yeah, I find it impossible to believe that during a fight/argument with a heated rival, a man used a word with two disparate meanings and actually meant it in the "endearment" sense. That's so far-fetched it borders on lunacy.

Also, LOL at Evra "knowing" what he was doing when people with PhDs in relevant disciplines can't fully align on the nuances of the word or simply define its meaning.

Anyway, enjoy your game tomorrow.
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This conversation is dumb.

LFC people, stop jumping offsides. The united folk have nothing better to do.

Let's kick ass tomorrow.
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Lallana made the roster for tomorrow!
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Also, one possible reason Buvac has left the team is that he's a serious candidate for the Arsenal job?
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Dre_00 said:

Yeah, I'm not going to get too far into this again.




Dre_00 said:

Here goes nothing...

Everything you are saying can in no way be true.

https://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/20/sport/football/suarez-racism/index.html

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Scholars who have studied race issues in Latin America say that such a term can have different meanings and connotations in different nations.

Generally, however, negrito is not considered a racial slur in Latin America, said Mark Sawyer, director of the Center for the Study of Race, Ethnicity and Politics at the University of California Los Angeles. "It's often a term of endearment," he said.

But Dr. Carmen Fracchia, a Paraguayan who works in the Iberian and Latin American Studies department of Birkbeck University of London, told CNN that the term is not affectionate when it refers to strangers.

I'm far from an expert in Spanish linguistics but seems pretty apparent that there's a lot of "grey" here. Like so many other things in language, context matters. If you use that word in reference to a stranger, it has a completely different meaning and intent than when you use it to someone you know. So yeah, I find it impossible to believe that during a fight/argument with a heated rival, a man used a word with two disparate meanings and actually meant it in the "endearment" sense. That's so far-fetched it borders on lunacy.

Also, LOL at Evra "knowing" what he was doing when people with PhDs in relevant disciplines can't fully align on the nuances of the word or simply define its meaning.

Anyway, enjoy your game tomorrow.


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He's probably just stuck in an airport again.
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I said "not too far"...not "not at all".
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jeffk said:

Also, one possible reason Buvac has left the team is that he's a serious candidate for the Arsenal job?


Grumpy Pundits on XM FC we're making that link today.
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Take care of business tomorrow then deny Real the three-peat.
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BTW - I think I'll be catching the game at the Corner tomorrow if anyone is around campus and wants to join me.
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OregonAggie said:

jeffk said:

Also, one possible reason Buvac has left the team is that he's a serious candidate for the Arsenal job?


Grumpy Pundits on XM FC we're making that link today.


I think he's a real possibility. Kind of a reactionary hire against the grain of Wenger. That said, even if that's the case, I don't understand why he'd bail on the team at such a crucial time and miss out on some pretty valuable experience he could roll into his next gig - Arsenal or somewhere else. Plus, I think he and Klopp are on really good terms.
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jeffk said:

BTW - I think I'll be catching the game at the Corner tomorrow if anyone is around campus and wants to join me.
If you're serious, I'm in!
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Definitely serious - I'm shooting to be over there about 1:30 or so. I'll be in the white LFC jersey.
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Dre_00 said:


Also, LOL at Evra "knowing" what he was doing when people with PhDs in relevant disciplines can't fully align on the nuances of the word or simply define its meaning.

I love how you brought academic social scientists into this debate. That is not really relevant between two guys who didn't finish high school. Just because people with PhDs don't know how to treat the word "negrito" doesnt mean that Evra didn't ham it up. That guy played with Antonio Valencia for years...he has heard negrito...he knows what it means...he wasn't offended, he just played Luis.

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This conversation is dumb.

By the way gigem...most conversations on Texags are dumb. I just like to argue with the ManU fans...makes me feel like an authentic Liverpool supporter. At least I'm not accusing Dre of not knowing his stuff like the dude on the Dynamo thread. That was gold.
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Making fun of Man U fans is one of my favorite past times
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it really is super fun
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Lets do this.
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"At my signal unleash hell" - Maximus Decimus Meridius

Finish them Reds! Allez allez allez
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GAME DAY, BRITCHES.
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BEAT THEM DOWN!!!
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Woah! Bender on the SB?!
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jeffk said:

Woah! Bender on the SB?!


Played club soccer, captain of my high school team, been a Liverpool fan since the early 2000s when I discovered Stevie G was everything I wanted to be as a midfielder.

I'm actually in the EPl fantasy league on this board, I just don't post here much.

YNWA

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Awesome!

I lurk on the OB and especially enjoy your AR threads. You should post more over here - we need more vocal Reds.
 
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