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Captain Augustus McCrae
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9:06a, 2/14/16
With oil below $30 a barrel, it doesn't seem like the time to be churning out more engineers in Texas.

UT- Arlington is building a huge engineering department. UH just added a petroleum engineering degree. UT-Dallas is soaring up the rankings and will soon be as respected as A&M and UT. If A&M was smart it would focus on being elite rather than large and concentrate growth at the branch schools like the UT system has done.

UT Arlington enrollment tops 50,000
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9:12a, 2/14/16
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Enrollment of Texas-based students at the University of Texas at Arlington jumped 6 percent to a record 38,650 for the spring 2016 semester, pushing overall enrollment over 50,000 students, the university said Tuesday.
The biggest gainers were the College of Engineering, now the third-largest in Texas,

It seems like the need to educate more engineering students is already being met without A&M doubling its engineering enrollment.
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9:26a, 2/14/16
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If A&M was smart it would focus on being elite rather than large


EOT
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1:27p, 2/14/16
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SO if enrollment rises by 80000. does that mean we will have to enlarge Kyle Field...again?
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In reply to monarch • 1:53p, 2/14/16
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SO if enrollment rises by 80000. does that mean we will have to enlarge Kyle Field...again?


Not at all. And why can't a large university be elite? In time, it will create more demand and increase application/acceptance ratios, which is the main argument today.
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11:52p, 2/14/16
Really surprised Sam Houston never set up a campus in CS
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In reply to cecil77 • 11:54p, 2/14/16
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If A&M was smart it would focus on being elite rather than large


EOT


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12:25a, 2/15/16
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Too many people in here who can't see the larger picture:

More students = Larger Football Crowd = A halftime card stunt so huge that even the Chinese couldn't organize a group large enough to beat it.

"If not us, then who?" is a guaranteed success if we just make everyone, "us."
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In reply to TelcoAg • 12:39a, 2/15/16
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Too many people in here who can't see the larger picture:

More students = Larger Football Crowd = A halftime card stunt so huge that even the Chinese couldn't organize a group large enough to beat it.

"If not us, then who?" is a guaranteed success if we just make everyone, "us."


How does a large Chinese student population help A&M, the football game, or America?
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In reply to FriscoKid • 12:43a, 2/15/16
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Wut?
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1:37a, 2/15/16
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It'd be cool I guess? No more racism accusations.


On a more serious note, I just hope the university knows what they're doing. It'd be really unfortunate for the University of Texas system to absolutely dominate the state in terms of academics - which they're starting to do. We shouldn't permit ourselves to become relegated to the "second best university system" in the state.

I get the intent. More kids yields a better state education. But when you start falling behind, that ain't good.

I've spoken with some professors about it, and many don't think this is a good idea. Numbers dilute prestige to a large extent, and the falling in the rankings indicates that they're expanding while dropping quality. It isn't very good and diminishes the $80,000 investment that the university's sophomores, juniors, and seniors chose to make prior to the massive growth campaign. I suppose the sophomores are free to transfer if they view it as grim enough.

We're not Harvard, but we don't want to become University of Phoenix.





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In reply to mike_ags_fan12 • 1:51p, 2/15/16
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If A&M was smart it would focus on being elite rather than large


EOT


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Elite and large are not mutually exclusive...good grief.

Btw, read back over the earlier pages of this thread. The 80k target was a misunderstanding that has since become a red herring.

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In reply to Sid Farkas • 2:03p, 2/15/16
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Elite and large are not mutually exclusive...good grief.
Depending upon one's definition of large, then yes, they are mutually exclusive, at least for the "large" that TAMU is heading towards. Many examples of that. What are the examples of 50,000+ student elite universities?
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In reply to cecil77 • 2:42p, 2/15/16
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Elite and large are not mutually exclusive...good grief.
Depending upon one's definition of large, then yes, they are mutually exclusive, at least for the "large" that TAMU is heading towards. Many examples of that. What are the examples of 50,000+ student elite universities?


Why not do a little legwork and show there aren't any?
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In reply to Aggball2010 • 2:59p, 2/15/16
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Because he won't believe me any way?
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6:04p, 2/15/16
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Because he won't believe me any way?
Funny. I was just reading the sticky on how staph will start handing out bans for insults...before I even clicked back over here I was reminded of the ban I got after insulting you earlier on this very thread (my posts directed at you removed and immediately one or more 24 hour bans - can't remember exactly if it was one or two)...

...thx for that btw...

How bout I return the favor and vote down your above post?...and plead with staph to hit you with the hammer?

Jiminy cricket!! Wondering now if my above comments on insults constitutes an insult in and of itself to all the hypersensitive types who might read it and catch a case of the vapors. Apologies in advance if anyone's offended. Really.
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6:48p, 2/15/16
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Didn't mean it as a pejorative. What I meant was that my giving stats wouldn't lead you to alter your opinion. However if you looked them up yourself, then maybe.

And FWIW I don't think I've every voted one of your posts down. The ONLY time I vote down posts is for abject vulgarity, or for disparaging (by name) people not involved in the discussion.
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In reply to TAMU bball fan • 9:08a, 3/9/16
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Sharp is boasting that a record number - more than 8,700 students - are graduating this spring. Enrollment could be over 80,000 students in 10 years.

They're more than doubling the size of the engineering school - from 11,000 students in 2015 to 25,000 students in 2025, along with growth in the other colleges.

Here's the latest:

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/
Would someone please provide the link regarding enrollment increasing to 80,000 students?

I am working on an appraisal of The Factory at Northgate and it would be helpful to have access to the 80,000 projection.
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In reply to Captain Augustus McCrae • 9:48a, 3/9/16
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UT-Austin is about to leave A&M in the dust. A&M's competition will be UT-Dallas and UH.
It already has. SMU and Baylor are about to do it. Hell, at 80k maybe tech will be an academic rival.
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In reply to TxAg2009WC • 11:21a, 3/9/16
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UT-Austin is about to leave A&M in the dust. A&M's competition will be UT-Dallas and UH.
It already has. SMU and Baylor are about to do it. Hell, at 80k maybe tech will be an academic rival.


UT has definitely done it. That's the annoying thing. They used to be comparable schools.

SMU has done it, and are holding steady.

Baylor will do it this year. They're 2 away in USNWR, and are trying to cater to it specifically. This is the really sad one.

TCU in 5-10 years will do it to keep up with Baylor.

UT Dallas and UofH, probs not. UTD, if they did, probably wouldn't for 40-50 years.

Kinda sad.
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In reply to Blue Bell Ag • 6:56p, 3/9/16
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Sharp is boasting that a record number - more than 8,700 students - are graduating this spring. Enrollment could be over 80,000 students in 10 years.

They're more than doubling the size of the engineering school - from 11,000 students in 2015 to 25,000 students in 2025, along with growth in the other colleges.

Here's the latest:

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/
Would someone please provide the link regarding enrollment increasing to 80,000 students?

I am working on an appraisal of The Factory at Northgate and it would be helpful to have access to the 80,000 projection.
It doesn't exist. The premise of this thread is a lie used as an excuse to flame sharp's administration for political reasons. Take a few minutes and read thru this thread. It's shameful.
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7:22p, 3/9/16
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LMAO. The way to be a great University is to reject more students than anyone else.

How do some of you clowns think A&M became so great?
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9:48p, 3/9/16
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Sid, you are incorrect.
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11:09p, 3/9/16
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Admissions for fall 2016 are the most competitive in school history. A&M is turning away the largest number of applicatants in school history.

The fact is that it is harder to get in this year than any other year ever.
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8:21a, 3/10/16
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The problem for TAMU is that as a public college student funding has always been a mix of state support and tuition charged. As state support was lowered over the years tuition has failed to keep up. Simply look at the costs of what privates charge and you will see the problem. Rather than raise tuition attempts have been made to create revenue elsewhere which has only resulted in all the fees other than tuition to go up. But still not enough. The simple minded solution is to let more students in = more revenue. Unfortunately you are letting more "underfunded" students in which means facilities, faculty etc etc will not be able to keep up. Just need to poll a few staff and faculty to see the issues this tact is creating. It is not good for the long term credibility of a TAMU degree or the quality of student life.
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In reply to W3.6I6 • 1:03p, 3/10/16
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Admissions for fall 2016 are the most competitive in school history. A&M is turning away the largest number of applicatants in school history.

The fact is that it is harder to get in this year than any other year ever.
Turning away more applicants than ever before does not and can not by itself establish that it is harder to get in than it ever has been.

I know its still only March, but do you have more statistics to support your claim?
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1:07p, 3/10/16
Need to admit all hotties (female). Whoop !!!
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In reply to JeffHamilton82 • 4:19p, 3/10/16
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Are the kids being admitted now unqualified?

Are we turning away high quality kids?


Yep. A 3.67 won't get you in these days for some. BULL****! Sharp sucks.
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In reply to cecil77 • 4:19p, 3/10/16
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If A&M was smart it would focus on being elite rather than large


EOT
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In reply to Sid Farkas • 5:22p, 3/10/16
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Sharp is boasting that a record number - more than 8,700 students - are graduating this spring. Enrollment could be over 80,000 students in 10 years.

They're more than doubling the size of the engineering school - from 11,000 students in 2015 to 25,000 students in 2025, along with growth in the other colleges.

Here's the latest:

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/
Would someone please provide the link regarding enrollment increasing to 80,000 students?

I am working on an appraisal of The Factory at Northgate and it would be helpful to have access to the 80,000 projection.
It doesn't exist. The premise of this thread is a lie used as an excuse to flame sharp's administration for political reasons. Take a few minutes and read thru this thread. It's shameful.


I don't know who's in charge of what. As far as I'm concerned, it's Kathy Banks that's a problem, not Sharp. Sharp keeps getting mentioned because the dude has to have his hands in everything, and his remarks certainly don't help his case.

The issue at hand is that we're slipping in some arbitrary rankings. But they're arbitrary rankings that affect public perception and employer perception of current and future Aggies.

The school doesn't need to be uber selective, but it does need to remain competitive.
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 9:56p, 3/10/16
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Admissions for fall 2016 are the most competitive in school history. A&M is turning away the largest number of applicatants in school history.

The fact is that it is harder to get in this year than any other year ever.
Turning away more applicants than ever before does not and can not by itself establish that it is harder to get in than it ever has been.

I know its still only March, but do you have more statistics to support your claim?


40,637 applications. The most in school history. Incoming class size is not known yet, but the incoming freshmen classes have remained relatively static over the last few years.

Most of the incoming class will be auto-admissions (top 10% or top 25% with great SAT are automatically admitted). Less and less of the incoming classes are admitted under a wholistic review.
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10:40p, 3/10/16
This thread needs to die, it's not even AFR!!!
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In reply to W3.6I6 • 2:27a, 3/11/16
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Admissions for fall 2016 are the most competitive in school history. A&M is turning away the largest number of applicatants in school history.

The fact is that it is harder to get in this year than any other year ever.
Turning away more applicants than ever before does not and can not by itself establish that it is harder to get in than it ever has been.

I know its still only March, but do you have more statistics to support your claim?


40,637 applications. The most in school history. Incoming class size is not known yet, but the incoming freshmen classes have remained relatively static over the last few years.

Most of the incoming class will be auto-admissions (top 10% or top 25% with great SAT are automatically admitted). Less and less of the incoming classes are admitted under a wholistic review.

It's "holistic," but w/e.
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In reply to W3.6I6 • 8:50a, 3/11/16

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Incoming class size is not known yet, but the incoming freshmen classes have remained relatively static over the last few years.


From 1999 to 2007 freshmen class sizes increased 13% from 6,695 to 7,591.
From 2008 to 2015 freshmen class sizes increased 41% from 7,386 to 10,401.

What's your definition of static?
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In reply to Science Denier • 9:08a, 3/11/16
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LMAO. The way to be a great University is to reject more students than anyone else.

How do some of you clowns think A&M became so great?

A&M wasn't considered great until admission became competitive. We didn't get an invitation to join the AAU until 2001.
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