ElephantRider said:
That's why I hate social media; it gives a platform to people who don't need to have one.
Most of the people that are upset on twitter are morons. They don't understand that the jury handed down the sentence, and are slamming the judge as a "race traitor" for giving a lenient sentence. People are saying awful things about the brother and the judge.
Absolutely. Both sides are pretty despicable these days.SoupNazi2001 said:Junkhead said:fixedSoupNazi2001 said:ElephantRider said:
That's why I hate social media; it gives a platform to people who don't need to have one.
Most of the people that are upset on twitter are morons. They don't understand that the jury handed down the sentence, and are slamming the judge as a "race traitor" for giving a lenient sentence. People are saying awful things about the brother and the judge.
Agreed have you ever read a Trump tweet? So much hate in this country when people are on social media.
I could have said the same thing in the comments to a Sanders or Warren tweet. Lots of hate out there on both sides.
CJS4715 said:
Enjoyed Gordo's coverage this morning. While some were freaking out that Guyger didn't deserve the compassion shown to her by the victim's brother or the judge, that's exactly the point of grace.
As I thought about yesterday, Brandt Jean's action is the most Christlike thing I've ever personally witnessed. It kind of reminded me of Jesus' interaction with the prostitute. As others are foaming at the mouth for blood, Brandt Jean saw a hurting person. It is powerful not only because he is willing to forgive her, but his forgiveness also gives her a chance to let the forgiveness transform her. It's like a call to her to put the guilt aside and not let this tragedy destroy her life as well. That's a powerful gift to give by someone who has every right to be bitter and want revenge.
CJS4715 said:
Enjoyed Gordo's coverage this morning. While some were freaking out that Guyger didn't deserve the compassion shown to her by the victim's brother or the judge, that's exactly the point of grace.
As I thought about yesterday, Brandt Jean's action is the most Christlike thing I've ever personally witnessed. It kind of reminded me of Jesus' interaction with the prostitute. As others are foaming at the mouth for blood, Brandt Jean saw a hurting person. It is powerful not only because he is willing to forgive her, but his forgiveness also gives her a chance to let the forgiveness transform her. It's like a call to her to put the guilt aside and not let this tragedy destroy her life as well. That's a powerful gift to give by someone who has every right to be bitter and want revenge.
Pretty damn humbling. That is one of the strongest men around being able to do that.CJS4715 said:
Enjoyed Gordo's coverage this morning. While some were freaking out that Guyger didn't deserve the compassion shown to her by the victim's brother or the judge, that's exactly the point of grace.
As I thought about yesterday, Brandt Jean's action is the most Christlike thing I've ever personally witnessed. It kind of reminded me of Jesus' interaction with the prostitute. As others are foaming at the mouth for blood, Brandt Jean saw a hurting person. It is powerful not only because he is willing to forgive her, but his forgiveness also gives her a chance to let the forgiveness transform her. It's like a call to her to put the guilt aside and not let this tragedy destroy her life as well. That's a powerful gift to give by someone who has every right to be bitter and want revenge.
ElephantRider said:
She didn't deserve it, and that's what makes it so powerful.
Bocephus said:ElephantRider said:
She didn't deserve it, and that's what makes it so powerful.
How can anyone sit in a position to judge that?
Bocephus said:ElephantRider said:
She didn't deserve it, and that's what makes it so powerful.
How can anyone sit in a position to judge that?
JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:Bocephus said:ElephantRider said:
She didn't deserve it, and that's what makes it so powerful.
How can anyone sit in a position to judge that?
So, stepping outside of all the ins and outs of this particular case.....
you're suggesting that somebody could have deserved to be forgiven, encouraged and hugged by the brother of a person who was killed (whether you want to call it murder or anything else) by their actions?
I'm not sure I understand the narrative you've been driving the last few days....seems to be that she has 0 culpability here and is entirely the one being victimized, which is not a belief I have seen anyone else espousing.
ElephantRider said:Bocephus said:ElephantRider said:
She didn't deserve it, and that's what makes it so powerful.
How can anyone sit in a position to judge that?
You're just trying to be a contrarian at this point
Does the fact that she was off-duty change the protocol at all?Bocephus said:
Don't know if y'all heard, Mike Mata was just interviewed on WBAP. Stated that he followed protocol after the shooting. Command staff told him it was an OIS. He texted Guyger's info to her lawyer and texted the lawyer's info to Guyger so she would answer the incoming call. Then he had the camera turned off bc he knew and attorney and client were about to talk and that could not be recorded. That whole constitution thing.
He said that this exact process has gone across Hermus' desk 25-30 times in Officer involved shootings. He only brought it up at trial to push the narrative that the officers were corrupt to the jurors.
ElephantRider said:
Saying she deserves it makes it sound like he was obligated to forgive her, or that she was entitled to forgiveness, which I disagree with. I absolutely support the fact that he did, and think it's great for both sides. But I don't think she deserves it.
I Am Mine said:
Just my opinion here, everyone who is truly sorry for their actions and has tried to make amends deserves forgiveness.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't face consequences for their action.
ElephantRider said:Does the fact that she was off-duty change the protocol at all?Bocephus said:
Don't know if y'all heard, Mike Mata was just interviewed on WBAP. Stated that he followed protocol after the shooting. Command staff told him it was an OIS. He texted Guyger's info to her lawyer and texted the lawyer's info to Guyger so she would answer the incoming call. Then he had the camera turned off bc he knew and attorney and client were about to talk and that could not be recorded. That whole constitution thing.
He said that this exact process has gone across Hermus' desk 25-30 times in Officer involved shootings. He only brought it up at trial to push the narrative that the officers were corrupt to the jurors.
Someone's predictions about this case were way off........Bocephus said:
She will not be convicted of murder. The DA should not have listened to the mob and upped the charge. Manslaughter was reasonable. This incident is the perfect example of mistake of fact.
There are 12 women on the jury. You don't think one of them will be able to identify with coming home and seeing someone in your apartment and getting scared?
Residents of that complex went to the wrong apartment all the time. It was a very common occurrence. My understanding is that he was not watching football on his laptop.
She made a tragic mistake and imo a manslaughter conviction was a given and he would have received a fair punishment. The murder charge was an overreach. If the prosecution asks for lesser included charges it may signal to the jury that they don't have enough for murder. Not a good thing and not likely.
Already have multiple reasons for appeal with the release of the 911 audio to the public and the refusal to change the venue.
She is not going to be found guilty of murder. Dallas county jurors do not convict legit bad guys with felony convictions for murder. The DA gave the mob the charge they wanted and in the end, ensured that Guyger will walk.
Kellso said:Someone's predictions about this case were way off........Bocephus said:
She will not be convicted of murder. The DA should not have listened to the mob and upped the charge. Manslaughter was reasonable. This incident is the perfect example of mistake of fact.
There are 12 women on the jury. You don't think one of them will be able to identify with coming home and seeing someone in your apartment and getting scared?
Residents of that complex went to the wrong apartment all the time. It was a very common occurrence. My understanding is that he was not watching football on his laptop.
She made a tragic mistake and imo a manslaughter conviction was a given and he would have received a fair punishment. The murder charge was an overreach. If the prosecution asks for lesser included charges it may signal to the jury that they don't have enough for murder. Not a good thing and not likely.
Already have multiple reasons for appeal with the release of the 911 audio to the public and the refusal to change the venue.
She is not going to be found guilty of murder. Dallas county jurors do not convict legit bad guys with felony convictions for murder. The DA gave the mob the charge they wanted and in the end, ensured that Guyger will walk.
It was more accurately lost when she entered someone else's apartment and murdered them.BoDog said:
No, the case was lost when they picked the jury.... Just sayin...
Ol Jock 99 said:
He's DPD
dave94 said:
I've tried to not get pulled into this whole discussion because I have only minor knowledge of law having known lawyers who have worked for the DA and also some as independent defense attorneys.
But I have to ask what your connection to this case is. Do you know the defendant? Or just have experience in this realm?
You seem to have connections to either law enforcement or the county DA in some way.
So where is your perspective coming from? Because you haven't ever said, "the jury decided, and that's how it's supposed to work."
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Yep. Didn't think the DA would attack Amber's character since they refuse to do it in every other case. They did not disprove mistake of fact but it did not matter.
Talked to one of Guyger's attorneys today. To quote him, "the case was lost when they refused to change the venue "
