cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You CHOOSE to have/use a phone. You can also not have one. You can't choose not to be monitored by a FLOCK camera.

Bad argument

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Who here thats complaining about flock cameras has ditched their cell phone? No one

Cell phones are far more invasive to your privacy. Tell me im wrong?

BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You CHOOSE to have/use a phone. You can also not have one. You can't choose not to be monitored by a FLOCK camera.

Bad argument

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Well, you can sit in your house and have everything delivered there, then only leave in Ubers, which meet you 3 streets over after you climb the fences to get there.

Seems a little more difficult, but doable as long as your neighbors don't shoot your or have pit bulls.

BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You CHOOSE to have/use a phone. You can also not have one. You can't choose not to be monitored by a FLOCK camera.

Bad argument

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Who here thats complaining about flock cameras has ditched their cell phone? No one

Cell phones are far more invasive to your privacy. Tell me im wrong?

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You're not wrong as to the invasiveness. You're wrong as to the comparison.

One is a choice, the other is foisted upon you by the surveillance state.

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But its not stopping you from owning a phone? Why is that? Surely you value your privacy

Meanwhile, let's keep score

Flock camera record where you drive. It mostly records public places. So it sees you when youre in places in the city and some other places. Ive heard the examples of Lowes, traffic lights. Ok. Let's move on to cell phones

When you stop using your phone for the evening, your cell tracks when you go to bed. When your alarm goes off it knows when you're awake. It knows essentially every purchase you've made. Your phone connects to your vehicle. Between it connecting to yoir vehicle and the GPS in the phone. It knows E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E you've been. Binging off towers as you go. It knows every text you've made, received, it knows who you spoke to and how long your phone conversations are. Your phone knows when your sad, anxious and more. I saw a documentary on this (the social media dilemma)

Through your phone, which you've most likely taken personal pics with, it knows everything about you. 100x more than all flock cameras combined.

Flock cameras have been around since 2017. They are one of many companies. But, people in high places have chosen Flock, as target #1 to stir the public. Its a ruse. Soon enough, they will tell us what we should be angry and divided over next

You also CHOOSE to purchase a car and drive it on a public roadway. Why would someone expect privacy out in public?

HTH

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The data on your phone still requires a warrant and is considered private. If Apple or Samsung were sharing all of your data with the government without warrant, they wouldn't have any customers.

Your phone is a voluntary exchange of privacy and trust the company is able to keep your data private and secure.

Flock is not voluntary. You don't get a say in who has access to your data.

Flock requires no warrant because it's recording of "public" activity.

A network of public recordings that tracks movements (and a lot more) is an invasion of privacy.

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You seem to have a lot of trust with the government and your phone. Good luck with that

Boogie2988Ag said:

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You also CHOOSE to purchase a car and drive it on a public roadway. Why would someone expect privacy out in public?

HTH

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"FLOCK CAMERAS ARE THE DEVIL.... hey, take the toll, it'll save us ten minutes"

Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You can turn off location services. You can turn off your phone. You can use a burner phone.

And then that pesky "choice" thing. I choose to carry my phone. I can choose not to.

(I responded to his response prior to reading all of the other responses.. -- c77)

The tradeoff for a smartphone with still having the ability to turn off and leave at home, get a secondary phone, and their being some hoops to trace and prosecute you with that data is nothing like flock cameras tracking you and every local and national cop being able to use AI to link you to a time, place, and pattern. Give me a break.

A.I., robotics, and surveillance is now reality. Does anyone really believe we have a 2-party system in this country?

Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You CHOOSE to have/use a phone. You can also not have one. You can't choose not to be monitored by a FLOCK camera.

Bad argument

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Who here thats complaining about flock cameras has ditched their cell phone? No one

Cell phones are far more invasive to your privacy. Tell me im wrong?

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You're not wrong as to the invasiveness. You're wrong as to the comparison.

One is a choice, the other is foisted upon you by the surveillance state.

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But its not stopping you from owning a phone? Why is that? Surely you value your privacy

Meanwhile, let's keep score

Flock camera record where you drive. It mostly records public places. So it sees you when youre in places in the city and some other places. Ive heard the examples of Lowes, traffic lights. Ok. Let's move on to cell phones

When you stop using your phone for the evening, your cell tracks when you go to bed. When your alarm goes off it knows when you're awake. It knows essentially every purchase you've made. Your phone connects to your vehicle. Between it connecting to yoir vehicle and the GPS in the phone. It knows E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E you've been. Binging off towers as you go. It knows every text you've made, received, it knows who you spoke to and how long your phone conversations are. Your phone knows when your sad, anxious and more. I saw a documentary on this (the social media dilemma)

Through your phone, which you've most likely taken personal pics with, it knows everything about you. 100x more than all flock cameras combined.

Flock cameras have been around since 2017. They are one of many companies. But, people in high places have chosen Flock, as target #1 to stir the public. Its a ruse. Soon enough, they will tell us what we should be angry and divided over next

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Do the phone manufacturers and cell phone providers have a portal that allows law enforcement to real time track you without a warrant? They used to until SCOTUS ruled a warrant is needed for that info.

Why are you ok with Flock being wide open for any moron in LE to use at their whim without a warrant? Many of us don't like the technology but would be slightly more ok with it if an actual judge had to issue a warrant before a search is run.

BigRobSA said:

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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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cecil77 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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People crying about camera's meanwhile they have dash cams, house decked in cameras, etc, etc...but Flock that's bad. LOL

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Choice vs non choice. I can turn off any cameras I own and install, I can't turn off Flock.

Really silly point you attempted to articulate.

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You can turn your cell camera off all you want but as long as you own a cell phone, you're being tracked in ways flock cant. Cell phones are far more invasive than flock cameras

Red party voter here

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You CHOOSE to have/use a phone. You can also not have one. You can't choose not to be monitored by a FLOCK camera.

Bad argument

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How this isn't POTD is beyond me.

In North Conway NH this morning sipping my Bloody Mary and this was on the bar. I guess the live free or die state is getting tired of them too. I did not read the article however.

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Just wait till Flock erroneously tags your vehicle as stolen. Just stay calm and let them take you to jail so you (or your dog) don't get shot.

Flock camera wrongly tells cops newly bought car has no insurance. Young girl is pulled over, shows proof of insurance -- cop writes the ticket anyway, stating flock camera says otherwise. pic.twitter.com/YaFK1B1qRE

— Speak Truth & Raise Hell (@SpeakTruthAndRH) September 8, 2026

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Since when were these ________sticks getting access to insurance databases???

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When someone realized this would be an easy way to ticket people driving without insurance and looked at the amount of revenue it could bring in. I'm surprised they aren't just automatically mailing tickets, like a red light camera.

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Wasn't there something like that type of light that did ticket people in Houston a little over a decade ago then the public outcry got rid of it?

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They had red light cameras in Dallas. They removed them because it was a third party the city was paying to run the cameras. After people started stopping at red lights, the revenue from the tickets completely disappeared, and the city was in the red on the program. People complained about the cameras, but the real reason it was discontinued was because it was a financial drain for the city.

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Also, they found that half the cameras in Dallas were not even operational. Just dummy cams sitting out there doing nothing so the city was paying money for a system that was not fully functioning anyway.

Unfortunately, that's not the case with these Flock cameras.

Double

Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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bmks270 said:

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The data on your phone still requires a warrant and is considered private. If Apple or Samsung were sharing all of your data with the government without warrant, they wouldn't have any customers.

Your phone is a voluntary exchange of privacy and trust the company is able to keep your data private and secure.

Flock is not voluntary. You don't get a say in who has access to your data.

Flock requires no warrant because it's recording of "public" activity.

A network of public recordings that tracks movements (and a lot more) is an invasion of privacy.

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You seem to have a lot of trust with the government and your phone. Good luck with that

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It was fun watching Apple ***** slap the FBI 10 years ago when they wanted access to a shooters phone

Fresh ruling out of federal court in Oklahoma. Was only a matter of time. Suspect we'll be seeing more.

Case is U.S. v Kyle, 2026 WL 2958728 (Oct. 1, 2026)

Federal Judge Rules a Flock Search Was 'Indiscriminate Mass Surveillance' and Unconstitutional

gov.uscourts.oknd.76981.62.0.pdf

" The Court finds that because the ALPR systems Alaniz used to search Kyle's historical location information intruded on her reasonable expectation of privacy in the whole of her physical movements, it was a search under the Fourth Amendment. Based on the information in the record, the only reason Alaniz conducted that search was because he saw her license plate was from California. That search was not supported by probable cause, and it was done without a warrant in violation of Kyle's Fourth Amendment rights. That search also has a nexus to the remainder of the traffic stop because Alaniz began following Kyle's car while 37 Case 4:26-cr-00189-SEH Document 62 Filed in USDC ND/OK on 10/01/26 Page 38 of 38 he conducted the ALPR search, which led to the rest of the evidence obtained during the traffic stop. Because the government does not identify any adequate exception to the exclusionary rule, all evidence obtained after Alaniz initiated the ALPR search must be suppressed as fruit of the poisonous tree. III. Conclusion IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that the Defendant's Opposed Motion to Suppress [ECF No. 47] is GRANTED for the reasons explained above. DATED this 1st day of October, 2026. Sara E. Hill UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE"

Josh Hawley announced introduction of legislation this week.

Hawley to Introduce Stop Flock Abuse Act, Establishing Safeguards for AI-Powered Cameras - Josh Hawley

Bernie Sanders and AOC taking it a step further yesterday.

NEWS: Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, Merkley Unveil Ban Flock Act to Protect Americans' Right to Privacy Senator Bernie Sanders

Writing is on the wall!