No Spin Ag said:

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I saw a story with the guy who created Flock and he said he wanted to make the world a safer place.

My first thought was the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And it's not the tech's fault; it's the fact that it's in the hands of the cities and law enforcement, so people.

And people, from cops to the mayors, etc. are just as fallible as anyone.

Since there's no way to make sure this type of tech isn't used improperly - and no, "Well, we're limiting how long data can be stored is NOT ensuring the tech still isn't being used for improper reasons - it shouldn't be used AT ALL.

I loved seeing that 50 cities ended their contracts with Flock. It needs to be ALL cities, at least until true guardrails can be placed to ensure an idiot cop CAN'T use it to track his ex, or whatever.

Also, making sure the cameras don't get innocent people pulled over for theft because the camera read the license plate number wrong also needs to be fixed.

Rant over.

Carry on.

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Ag with kids said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I saw a story with the guy who created Flock and he said he wanted to make the world a safer place.

My first thought was the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And it's not the tech's fault; it's the fact that it's in the hands of the cities and law enforcement, so people.

And people, from cops to the mayors, etc. are just as fallible as anyone.

Since there's no way to make sure this type of tech isn't used improperly - and no, "Well, we're limiting how long data can be stored is NOT ensuring the tech still isn't being used for improper reasons - it shouldn't be used AT ALL.

I loved seeing that 50 cities ended their contracts with Flock. It needs to be ALL cities, at least until true guardrails can be placed to ensure an idiot cop CAN'T use it to track his ex, or whatever.

Also, making sure the cameras don't get innocent people pulled over for theft because the camera read the license plate number wrong also needs to be fixed.

Rant over.

Carry on.

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The only way those guardrails will work is if you make unauthorized use of the Flock data a felony. Throw anyone's ass in pound their ass jail for violating the public trust.

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one safe place said:

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Ag with kids said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I saw a story with the guy who created Flock and he said he wanted to make the world a safer place.

My first thought was the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And it's not the tech's fault; it's the fact that it's in the hands of the cities and law enforcement, so people.

And people, from cops to the mayors, etc. are just as fallible as anyone.

Since there's no way to make sure this type of tech isn't used improperly - and no, "Well, we're limiting how long data can be stored is NOT ensuring the tech still isn't being used for improper reasons - it shouldn't be used AT ALL.

I loved seeing that 50 cities ended their contracts with Flock. It needs to be ALL cities, at least until true guardrails can be placed to ensure an idiot cop CAN'T use it to track his ex, or whatever.

Also, making sure the cameras don't get innocent people pulled over for theft because the camera read the license plate number wrong also needs to be fixed.

Rant over.

Carry on.

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The only way those guardrails will work is if you make unauthorized use of the Flock data a felony. Throw anyone's ass in pound their ass jail for violating the public trust.

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Problem is our injustice system would likely accept a plea and the people would serve no time and thus no deterrent effect relative to others wanting to do wrong. Guardrails will always be circumvented.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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HOLY MOLYhttps://t.co/hTBw1Ob8MF pic.twitter.com/NfaO7rTSjK

— Not the Bee (@Not_the_Bee) August 17, 2026

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Ag with kids said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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I saw a story with the guy who created Flock and he said he wanted to make the world a safer place.

My first thought was the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And it's not the tech's fault; it's the fact that it's in the hands of the cities and law enforcement, so people.

And people, from cops to the mayors, etc. are just as fallible as anyone.

Since there's no way to make sure this type of tech isn't used improperly - and no, "Well, we're limiting how long data can be stored is NOT ensuring the tech still isn't being used for improper reasons - it shouldn't be used AT ALL.

I loved seeing that 50 cities ended their contracts with Flock. It needs to be ALL cities, at least until true guardrails can be placed to ensure an idiot cop CAN'T use it to track his ex, or whatever.

Also, making sure the cameras don't get innocent people pulled over for theft because the camera read the license plate number wrong also needs to be fixed.

Rant over.

Carry on.

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The only way those guardrails will work is if you make unauthorized use of the Flock data a felony. Throw anyone's ass in pound their ass jail for violating the public trust.

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Squadron7 said:

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Is there such a thing as a paint ball like gun that shoots vaseline filled balls?

Asking for a friend.

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The Ex Officio Director said:

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Squadron7 said:

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Is there such a thing as a paint ball like gun that shoots vaseline filled balls?

Asking for a friend.

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If there is one, where can one buy one.

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sleepybeagle said:

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The Ex Officio Director said:

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Squadron7 said:

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Is there such a thing as a paint ball like gun that shoots vaseline filled balls?

Asking for a friend.

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If there is one, where can one buy one.

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Vaseline Hits

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sleepybeagle said:

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The Ex Officio Director said:

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Squadron7 said:

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Is there such a thing as a paint ball like gun that shoots vaseline filled balls?

Asking for a friend.

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If there is one, where can one buy one.

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Vaseline Hits

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"A query revealed that Goodson had searched for his wife’s vehicle in the Flock database 717 times between Sept. 1, 2024, and June 30, 2026, the affidavit stated."

🤦‍♂️https://t.co/bBLk8czcQl #Flock #DeFlock #Axon #Surveillance #AxonAxoff #fyp #trending

— DeFlock (@therealDeFlock) August 18, 2026

500,000ags said:

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Police Chief in WI got heckled at a city council meeting for using Flock cameras. He goes on a tirade that he's given 20 years of his life to the town. Says, "Next time your family member goes missing, car gets stolen, or something else, don't come crying to me that we cannot locate." Actually sounds human. Then ended the tirade with "All these dissenters here, I'd love to run their background and whereabouts and see why they are so opposed." Like wtf.

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Chetek Police Chief Ron Ambrozaitis lashed out during a city council meeting in July 2026 after residents protested his secret, unilateral installation of automated Flock Safety license plate reader cameras. Confronted by citizens over the lack of transparency, the chief erupted defensively and suggested the council run background checks on the complaining residents before later issuing a public apology. [1, 2, 3]

What Happened in Chetek

• The Secret Installation: In late May 2026, Chief Ambrozaitis used funds from his operating budget to install two solar-powered Flock Safety cameras at city entry points without notifying the mayor or city council. [1, 2]
• The Council Clash: During the tense public comment period, residents like Zach Hodgson criticized the move as an escalation into mass surveillance. [1, 2]
• The Chief's Outburst: Angered by the pushback, the chief offered a heated rebuttal, defending the tool and remarketing his community service record while telling officials they should check the backgrounds of citizens airing grievances. [1, 2]
• Aftermath: Chief Ambrozaitis later posted a public apology on the City of Chetek Facebook Page acknowledging his hostile behavior, though Mayor Jeff Martin stood by the chief's authority to purchase the equipment. [1, 2]

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Gaeilge said:

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Become ungovernable!

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nai06 said:

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There are a few suits working their way through the courts right now that seek to limit access to Flock/Axon cameras.

I was talking to one of the lawyers in Kansas the other day and he brought up Chatrie v. United States as one of the core rulings they are focusing in on.

The gist is that Okello Chatrie was indicted on robbery and firearms charges and a lot of the evidence was found via a warrant for his google location data via a geofence. SCOTUS found that the search for location data was subject to the 4th amendment but declined to say whether geofences were constitutional.

But the ruling also reaffirmed that the 4th amendment protects the sum of a person's movements. Even though the data is held by a private 3rd party, the government must still seek a warrant to access a person's geolocation data because it provides such a complete view of a person's movements/life. It effectively pierces that veil of reasonable expectation of privacy. The lawyer also mentioned Carpenter v. United States which dealt with similar cell phone tower data and found the same thing.

He said it's a natural extension of the police or government putting a tracker on your car. They need to go to a judge and prove they have a valid reason to do so.

So while these camera don't violate the 1st amendment because they are recording anything that can be seen in public, it's the compiling of that data that creates an issue. If a government entity wants to access that information, they should be getting a warrant to do so.

Keep in mind the Chatrie ruling happened like 3 weeks ago so this is all still pretty fresh. I still think its promising in limiting the use and abuse of these systems.




Case law if you are interested
Kyllo v. United States
Use of infrared camera to see into private residence without warrant

United States v. Jones
Placing a tracker on a vehicle without a warrant

Carpenter v. United States
Obtaining cellphone/GPS data from a carrier without a warrant.

Chatrie v. United States

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OGAG said:

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Total normal police work…

Lucas County, OH had its flock cameras searched 904,000 times in a single month by cops from all over the country. The largest searcher? Cops in Houston, Texas - a 19 hour drive away... pic.twitter.com/HX5wUNMnAW

— The Civil Rights Lawyer (@johnbryanesq) August 19, 2026

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