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Okay. Who are you currently worried that is making based on their citizenship of another nation?

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Any politician that represents US citizens and has dual citizenship with any other nation. Does that help? Who were you hoping that I would say?

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Im asking for examples. I dont know who you will say

Is there anyone in particular representing us while holding dual citizenship that raises a concern for you or is it more a general based concern that really isnt a current issue?

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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I feel like I've made myself clear. Anyone with dual citizenship should never represent US citizens. ANYONE WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

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This argument reminds me of when Harry Truman decided to recognize Israel over the objections of the antisemites in his own State Department. He did keep the arms embargo on against the Middle East but slow-rolled investigation into arms buying of US military surplus from around the world. Of course, Jewish agencies actually bought that surplus material, which would otherwise be destroyed, stolen or left to rot. Clark Clifford championed the Israeli cause because he saw the establishment of Israel as a plus strategically. Clifford was right because the Arabs fled to the Warsaw Pact.
I am under zero illusions about Israel. They spy on everybody and are often repressive toward Palestinians. But they are likely the best long term stable option for allies in the region because they are a strong democracy with the same adversaries as us.

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I read an interesting piece from a historian that cited to the provision of arms by the US to Israel (via Jewish American middlemen IIRC) as the impetus for the Arabs turning towards Russia. The crux of the historian's opinion was that the Arabs felt like they needed their own source of arms to fight the Israeli's newly sourced American weaponry, so they were forced to turn to the only other source who would supply them comparable weapons.

So was Clifford right, or did he help create the circumstances which caused it? I'm not well-versed enough to opine, but like most of the stuff in the Middle East I suspect there's a lot of room for argument. There's no question that our recognition of Israel caused a lot of enmity towards us which wasn't there previously, just as our more modern alliance with and support of them has inflamed that enmity further.

As a fan of alternate history type books and conjecture, it would be an interesting thought exercise. The consequences to Israel if the US had not helped them and recognized them would no doubt have been severe, to the point it very likely doesn't exist today. The consequences to the US, and benefits we gained from the path we took, are a lot less certain.

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A democracy is always more stable than a dictatorship long term, from my humble observation. Arab regimes were characterized after their independence from the Brits and French mandatory regimes post WW1 by strongman rule with military coups: the Free Officers in Egypt, the multiple coups in Syria and Iraq, etc. Lebanon had a constitutional government which mandated that a Christian be the PM regardless of the electorate. Saudi was ruled by a religious monarchy. Emerging Communist or socialist parties were on the horizon (Baathist party in Syria, Tudeh party in Iran). It was a practical matter to support Israel, which, after surviving the initial onslaught of multiple Arab armies, had strengthened itself by purchasing surplus war equipment from European sources, insuring its survival. While Arab regimes have improved their governance, they have not achieved the success of Israel in technology and scientific advances. France, for instance, helped Israel develop its nuclear weapons by technology sharing because Jewish scientists were also leading French nuclear research efforts. HTH.

You're drastically oversimplifying this issue; there's so many layers to why someone would have it in the first place.

I believe people with dual citizenship gained in adulthood from sketchy countries should not be allowed to be politicians. But it's absurd to deny any American with dual citizenship from being a representative. There's tons of conservative families with dual citizenship status from Christian missions and Military service and children of those circumstances deserve the same rights as anyone born in the US.

I won't even get into the advantages it would have for specific political positions, but saying it shouldn't be controversial is just wrong.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. Who are you currently worried that is making based on their citizenship of another nation?

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Any politician that represents US citizens and has dual citizenship with any other nation. Does that help? Who were you hoping that I would say?

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Im asking for examples. I dont know who you will say

Is there anyone in particular representing us while holding dual citizenship that raises a concern for you or is it more a general based concern that really isnt a current issue?

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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I feel like I've made myself clear. Anyone with dual citizenship should never represent US citizens. ANYONE WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

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I hear you. Im just asking for a current example of that issue. Is there someone with Israeli duel citizenship making decisions on this issue for example?

Your making a claim that dual citizens shouldn't hold political leadership positions- fair enough. Im asking if you know of any doing so right now and if they are making decisions harmful to the untied states, or if this a potential problem made up in your head.

I can think of one- Valerie Jarrett. I dont actually think she holds Iranian citizenship- but she was born there to american parents and clearly advocated for Iran likely over the best options for the United states. Best I can tell, however, she is only American in her citizenship.

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You're drastically oversimplifying this issue; there's so many layers to why someone would have it in the first place.

I believe people with dual citizenship gained in adulthood from sketchy countries should not be allowed to be politicians. But it's absurd to deny any American with dual citizenship from being a representative. There's tons of conservative families with dual citizenship status from Christian missions and Military service and children of those circumstances deserve the same rights as anyone born in the US.

I won't even get into the advantages it would have for specific political positions, but saying it shouldn't be controversial is just wrong.

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It really is that simple. I don't blame anyone for having or wanting dual citizenship as it presents options. I'm just saying that I don't want someone with dual citizenship representing me as a sole US citizen. Ghislaine Maxwell had triple citizenship. Good for her I guess. I only care about me and other US citizens. I guess that makes me selfish.

All you need to know about Joe Kent is that he once voted for Bernie Sanders. How Trump every gave him any power is beyond me, especially in his second term.

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This action is necessary to keep Iran from having nuclear weapons and being a worldwide menace more than they already are.

Sorry Hussein Obama's efforts to get them nukes have failed.

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I would agree if we knew that was true. Truth is zero evidence for that has ever been presented to the American people. Last year th cia disagreed with the idea Iran was weeks away. We launched those attacks based on Mossad intelligence not our own.

Until actual evidence is presented to the American people this has the feelings of Iraq 2.0. We invaded that nation based on lies. Now it may leave to be true that Iran was actually very close to nuclear weapons but we ultimately don't know. What we do know is that narrative has been pushed for 30 years now and we did this bit in Iraq already.

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The evidence is Trump said so. Like literally

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jwhaby said:

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jwhaby said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. Who are you currently worried that is making based on their citizenship of another nation?

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Any politician that represents US citizens and has dual citizenship with any other nation. Does that help? Who were you hoping that I would say?

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Im asking for examples. I dont know who you will say

Is there anyone in particular representing us while holding dual citizenship that raises a concern for you or is it more a general based concern that really isnt a current issue?

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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I feel like I've made myself clear. Anyone with dual citizenship should never represent US citizens. ANYONE WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

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I hear you. Im just asking for a current example of that issue. Is there someone with Israeli duel citizenship making decisions on this issue for example?

Your making a claim that dual citizens shouldn't hold political leadership positions- fair enough. Im asking if you know of any doing so right now and if they are making decisions harmful to the untied states, or if this a potential problem made up in your head.

I can think of one- Valerie Jarrett. I dont actually think she holds Iranian citizenship- but she was born there to american parents and clearly advocated for Iran likely over the best options for the United states. Best I can tell, however, she is only American in her citizenship.

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You're still not understanding. ANYONE! It could be Valerie Jarrett or Richard Blumenthal. ANYONE. How can I be a clearer? I don't care which country. If you can't claim allegiance to the US over your other nationality, then **** you.

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jwhaby said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. Who are you currently worried that is making based on their citizenship of another nation?

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Any politician that represents US citizens and has dual citizenship with any other nation. Does that help? Who were you hoping that I would say?

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Im asking for examples. I dont know who you will say

Is there anyone in particular representing us while holding dual citizenship that raises a concern for you or is it more a general based concern that really isnt a current issue?

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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I feel like I've made myself clear. Anyone with dual citizenship should never represent US citizens. ANYONE WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

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I hear you. Im just asking for a current example of that issue. Is there someone with Israeli duel citizenship making decisions on this issue for example?

Your making a claim that dual citizens shouldn't hold political leadership positions- fair enough. Im asking if you know of any doing so right now and if they are making decisions harmful to the untied states, or if this a potential problem made up in your head.

I can think of one- Valerie Jarrett. I dont actually think she holds Iranian citizenship- but she was born there to american parents and clearly advocated for Iran likely over the best options for the United states. Best I can tell, however, she is only American in her citizenship.

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You're still not understanding. ANYONE! It could be Valerie Jarrett or Richard Blumenthal. ANYONE. How can I be a clearer? I don't care which country. If you can't claim allegiance to the US over your other nationality, then **** you.

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Im not questioning or misunderstanding your opinion. Youre more than welcome to have that opinion

Im asking for someone who fits that bill today, especially, if there is someone within the context of trumps current foreign policy. Or, is this a problem that doesn't exist?

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jwhaby said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Okay. Who are you currently worried that is making based on their citizenship of another nation?

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Any politician that represents US citizens and has dual citizenship with any other nation. Does that help? Who were you hoping that I would say?

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Im asking for examples. I dont know who you will say

Is there anyone in particular representing us while holding dual citizenship that raises a concern for you or is it more a general based concern that really isnt a current issue?

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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. I feel like I've made myself clear. Anyone with dual citizenship should never represent US citizens. ANYONE WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

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I hear you. Im just asking for a current example of that issue. Is there someone with Israeli duel citizenship making decisions on this issue for example?

Your making a claim that dual citizens shouldn't hold political leadership positions- fair enough. Im asking if you know of any doing so right now and if they are making decisions harmful to the untied states, or if this a potential problem made up in your head.

I can think of one- Valerie Jarrett. I dont actually think she holds Iranian citizenship- but she was born there to american parents and clearly advocated for Iran likely over the best options for the United states. Best I can tell, however, she is only American in her citizenship.

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You're still not understanding. ANYONE! It could be Valerie Jarrett or Richard Blumenthal. ANYONE. How can I be a clearer? I don't care which country. If you can't claim allegiance to the US over your other nationality, then **** you.

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Im not questioning or misunderstanding your opinion. Youre more than welcome to have that opinion

Im asking for someone who fits that bill today, especially, if there is someone within the context of trumps current foreign policy. Or, is this a problem that doesn't exist?

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Why does he have to give you an example? I think you can google who has dual citizenship in US politics for yourself. "harmful decisions" is a matter of opinion, whereas jwhaby's qualifications are concrete, no dual citizenship politicians. Seems like you're just complicating the issue.

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So, youre possibly on board with minimizing my children's citizenship because they happen to hold citizenship in a second country as well, such citizenship gained through their mother.

Interesting

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I'm absolutely up for learning the arguments on why dual-citizenship is an important feature. I believe not too long ago there was a proposal for the "Exclusive Citizenship Act."

And also, were the dual-Citizens US-Israeli serving in the IDF?

Should I feel ANY different if a dual-citizen serving in a foreign army is taken hostage or killed than just a normal American maybe just visiting on vacation?

I don't know, however one is definitely putting themselves advertently into harms way over another.

If a dual-citizen Iranian-American was struck by an Israeli missile should I feel strongly about an American dying in Iran?

Would I? probably not.

I do know, that had I not just gone and looked whether those hostage'ed Americans were dual-citizen Americans, I would never have known. But now I do know, and now I need to know if it makes a difference.

But yes, i think 7-8 of the Americans that were hostage'ed/killed were also serving in the IDF (mandatorily).

You're allowed that opinion and if Ghislane Maxwell was running to be your representative, you absolutely should vote against her.

I'm simply providing a dissent; an opportunity for you to reflect upon your opinion. You're the one who said it's selfish. I'm just not going to say "eff you" to a good conservative candidate with dual citizenship if that's the only/biggest flaw on their resume. I think it takes more nuance than you're giving it.

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You're allowed that opinion and if Ghislane Maxwell was running to be your representative, you absolutely should vote against her.

I'm simply providing a dissent; an opportunity for you to reflect upon your opinion. You're the one who said it's selfish. I'm just not going to say "eff you" to a good conservative candidate with dual citizenship if that's the only/biggest flaw on their resume. I think it takes more nuance than you're giving it.

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Does the rule of having to be a US citizen to hold office take nuance? This is a not a serious rebuttal. Someone could be a great conservative candidate but isn't a citizen, oh no! Dual citizenship is in the same class as this.

I wonder if you support dems for bending the rules for candidates that they like.

Also, apparently its not required to disclose dual-citizenship in FedGov tried to prompt a list of dual-citizens working in Congress/etc.

I think I support the Dual Loyalty Disclosure Act put forth by Thomas Massie, not sure about disqualifying dual loyalty act by Randy Fine, nor the Exclusive Citizenship Act by Bernie Moreno.

I'd like to at least KNOW (whether it matters or not) if a lawmaker MIGHT have competing loyalties.

eh, what do i care... it's all a farcical game, kabuki theatre, anyways.

Iran should have been carpet bombed back in 1979 with the embassy take over. President Trump is cleaning up 47 years of failed administration failures to wipe that region of a terrorist country. If that makes me an Israeli sympathizer, then I say Am Yisrael Chai.

Because im not making the assertion? Its generally on the person making the assertion to provide the proof or reason for said assertion

In this case the assertion is the dual citizenship Americans cannot be trusted to be in any decision making role in govt because they could or are assumed to have split loyalty.

one's welcome to that opinion. I don't agree with it.

Im asking for an example. I can give some, but its not my role to prove his point.

But, for the fun of it and what I know off the top my head:

Ted cruz- was a dual citizens with Canada until 2014- haven't seen him advocating for Canada anytime recently. In fact, probably the opposite. Some on this board accuse him of being Israel first, but that kinda undermines the point

Ilhan omar- best I can tell, she only holds citizenship in the usa, but I'm doubtful of that. I dont think she ever formally renounced her Somalian citizenship. I definitely would say she fits the bill as someone who should never be a rep, but I dont its solely because of her citizenship. She's just a terrible person, american or otherwise

Valerie jarrett- already mentioned. Appears to only have american citizenship, but clearly influenced pro Iranian policy while she was Obamas main advisor.

Dr. Oz- maga approved candidate for senate

Arnold- gov of California

Pramila Jayapal, Raja Krishnamoorthi- both indian born, naturalized American citizens. Unclear if they are dual citizens.

The pattern seems to be democrat reps are bad for America, whether or not they are dual citizens. from what I can tell, theres not even a correlation between dual citizenship and anti american policy choices.

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Also, apparently its not required to disclose dual-citizenship in FedGov tried to prompt a list of dual-citizens working in Congress/etc.

I think I support the Dual Loyalty Disclosure Act put forth by Thomas Massie, not sure about disqualifying dual loyalty act by Randy Fine, nor the Exclusive Citizenship Act by Bernie Moreno.

I'd like to at least KNOW (whether it matters or not) if a lawmaker MIGHT have competing loyalties.

eh, what do i care... it's all a farcical game, kabuki theatre, anyways.

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I think that is the right solution. Make it required to be known, let them sell themselves and be accountable to the voters.

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You're allowed that opinion and if Ghislane Maxwell was running to be your representative, you absolutely should vote against her.

I'm simply providing a dissent; an opportunity for you to reflect upon your opinion. You're the one who said it's selfish. I'm just not going to say "eff you" to a good conservative candidate with dual citizenship if that's the only/biggest flaw on their resume. I think it takes more nuance than you're giving it.

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Does the rule of having to be a US citizen to hold office take nuance? This is a not a serious rebuttal. Someone could be a great conservative candidate but isn't a citizen, oh no! Dual citizenship is in the same class as this.

I wonder if you support dems for bending the rules for candidates that they like.

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The DUAL part of dual citizenship is that they are American citizens. And it's not bending the rule, it's perfectly legal now. I think we should have some enforcement on it as well (banned countries, citizenship acquired in adulthood, etc).

The nuance is for kids who have identity with both US and their secondary country. I don't expect anyone who hasn't done it to understand, but lots of missionary kids or children of military families struggle with identity and belonging to their countries, almost like a child of divorce.

I'm not saying kids should run for office. But when they grow up (as long as their secondary country isn't on a list of our enemies) and they've lived in the US for, say 20 years, and pay their taxes, I think they can absolutely run for office.

Like I said, nuance. And this could be thought out better, but there's plenty of examples of very American dual citizens.

Would a dual-citizen serving in the IDF be a lower "well we gotta get back those americans!" than a civilian per se, regarding 10/7?

I think so. Id agree that serving in the armed forces should require renouncement of any dual citizenship. If youre in the US military- you gotta renounce any other held citizenship.

If you choose to serve in another military, you should probably renounce your american citizenship. Or, at least, there should be no expectation of america coming to save you if you get into trouble

Here’s what we know so far about Joe Kent’s resignation, according to current reporting:

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🔸 The White House…

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If he thinks Iran isn't a threat, then good riddance.

Iran has been a threat for almost 50 years and has been funding terrorism since that time. Give them nuclear weapons and the world becomes a million times more dangerous because unlike the rest of the countries who have them, Iran is run by a bunch of apocalyptic fanatics who don't care if they die, and take countless people with them.

Guy tried to run multiple times on Trump's coattails and always lost. Most likely he was always a squishy Republican at best. Another example of Trump not picking the best person, but picking someone who publicly kissed his ass over and over.

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Well..
The above post, if true, proves you are Correct.

What's the count at for which general political ideology has been correct based on actual observable data???


Pretty sure it's: Left - 0 ; Right - 1,000,000

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Most likely he was always a squishy Republican at best.

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He was a democrat and a goofy libertarian

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You're allowed that opinion and if Ghislane Maxwell was running to be your representative, you absolutely should vote against her.

I'm simply providing a dissent; an opportunity for you to reflect upon your opinion. You're the one who said it's selfish. I'm just not going to say "eff you" to a good conservative candidate with dual citizenship if that's the only/biggest flaw on their resume. I think it takes more nuance than you're giving it.

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I would never do business with a partner where our incentives weren't completely aligned. The same is true of politics. Unfortunately, I'm unable to tell the true motives of dual citizens, thus I would never vote for them regardless if they are liberal or conservative.

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You're allowed that opinion and if Ghislane Maxwell was running to be your representative, you absolutely should vote against her.

I'm simply providing a dissent; an opportunity for you to reflect upon your opinion. You're the one who said it's selfish. I'm just not going to say "eff you" to a good conservative candidate with dual citizenship if that's the only/biggest flaw on their resume. I think it takes more nuance than you're giving it.

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Does the rule of having to be a US citizen to hold office take nuance? This is a not a serious rebuttal. Someone could be a great conservative candidate but isn't a citizen, oh no! Dual citizenship is in the same class as this.

I wonder if you support dems for bending the rules for candidates that they like.

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The DUAL part of dual citizenship is that they are American citizens. And it's not bending the rule, it's perfectly legal now. I think we should have some enforcement on it as well (banned countries, citizenship acquired in adulthood, etc).

The nuance is for kids who have identity with both US and their secondary country. I don't expect anyone who hasn't done it to understand, but lots of missionary kids or children of military families struggle with identity and belonging to their countries, almost like a child of divorce.

I'm not saying kids should run for office. But when they grow up (as long as their secondary country isn't on a list of our enemies) and they've lived in the US for, say 20 years, and pay their taxes, I think they can absolutely run for office.

Like I said, nuance. And this could be thought out better, but there's plenty of examples of very American dual citizens.

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This is where we disagree. There is no nuance, there is a hard line. If you are not solely a US citizen you are not allowed to represent US citizens. Pretty simple. Maybe I'm bigoted, but this is a line for me.

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This looks a lot less like a noble resignation and a lot more like the implosion of a sidelined leaker lashing out with conspiracy theories, who may well have been fired soon anyway.

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This action is necessary to keep Iran from having nuclear weapons and being a worldwide menace more than they already are.

Sorry Hussein Obama's efforts to get them nukes have failed.

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I would agree if we knew that was true. Truth is zero evidence for that has ever been presented to the American people. Last year th cia disagreed with the idea Iran was weeks away. We launched those attacks based on Mossad intelligence not our own.

Until actual evidence is presented to the American people this has the feelings of Iraq 2.0. We invaded that nation based on lies. Now it may leave to be true that Iran was actually very close to nuclear weapons but we ultimately don't know. What we do know is that narrative has been pushed for 30 years now and we did this bit in Iraq already.

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The evidence is Trump said so. Like literally

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Well, Yukon's evidence of using Mossad intelligence is that HE, Yukon, said so...Like literally...

I guess if you think that an anonymous poster on Texags has better information than the POTUS, go for it...

That's your right - don't vote for them. I'm not saying you're a bigot. I don't think it's a pragmatic stance, but it's extremely principled. No stats, but I'd bet most business happens between partners with some misaligned values, but that's a pragmatist viewpoint. You have a very principled isolationist/non-intervention approach, which is totally fine.

Lets see:

You have a country that for over 50 years has screamed, have had banners in parades, and has officially announced "Death to America".

You have a country that has sponsored, trained, supported by money and weapons to international terrorism, killing tens of thousands of individuals and have intiated othere terror organizations.

And finally, you have a country that no matter how much diplomatic/payoffs was conducted, is determined to develop nuclear weapons which they will either supply to terror cells or use them themselves against us or our allies for blackmail.

As for the supposed intelligence officer that resigned stating that Iran was no threat, there were 51 supposedly high ranking intelligence officers which stated that Biden's laptop was a Russian ploy.

This country has always been reactive instead of proactive and I would much like to take out a very known threat than to react to a mushroom cloud appearing over one of our cities.

FLASHBACK: When Joe Kent went on Tucker's show in January 2024 and spewed a WHOLE bunch of nonsense about what a war with Iran would do to America.

"Immediately, it would be very bloody..."
"People will rally around their leader..."
etc...

(Spoiler alert: None of it happened.) pic.twitter.com/GzerQUThYv

— C. Weber (@CWBOCA) March 17, 2026