Birdwatcher said:
Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
NPH- said:
neither side really wins here, but the U.S. should not be the Bank for this damn thing, regardless of where you stand on the situation.
pressitup said:
I bet europe butt puckered watching that.
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
So we can save even more money by withdrawing from the UN and removing our bases?rootube said:Ellis Wyatt said:I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.Quote:
He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together
Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**. My guess is we have galvanized all of Ukraine and Europe against the United States and Russia and they are probably going to finish the job which is fine but we have given up soft power in Europe. Something we have dominated since the end of WWII.
Visualizing the Ukranian delegation pulling up to an Arby's on the way to catch their flight home is quite amusingTailgate88 said:Heard on Clay & Buck the executive staff of the White House press office was getting to eat it instead. Sounds like their lunch plans got an unexpected upgrade!IndividualFreedom said:
I do not like the cameras being on. That was advantage to Zelensky. DJT and Vance had to kick the Ukraines out. It all bout respeck.
My favorite part was that they got kicked out before lunch was served. Like HR after they fire IT on a Friday have an immediate security escort, do not stop by the desk for the things.
Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.TheEternalOptimist said:Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
This is 5-D.
Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
That's cause Graham is a political ho. He knows Trump is shutting down the grifter train so there is no reason not for him to pivot, nothing left to gain. In fact, Z's little tantrum is probably providing a lot of neocons the opportunity jump ship and kiss Trump's ring. Quite convenient.TheEternalOptimist said:Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
This is 5-D.
Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
Instead, Trump turned it into a power play for himself. He's not going to be out-argued. Trump is relentless. Those who hate him were going to hate him no matter what he did. But he didn't just pop off to Z. It was intentional, he was using the cameras and court of public opinion to send the message that Ukraine doesn't get to dictate the terms of the deal.safety guy said:4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Whoever gave Zelensky advice to do what he did totally backfired. It was odd that it was in front of the cameras so it had to be a power play on the part of Zelensky thinking that we would back down due to public criticism. Well guess what?? We didn't and made things worse for him.
Should be must-see TV!Quote:
Breaking News
TUNE IN: Bret Baier interviews Zelenskyy after heated WH meeting on 'Special Report' at 6PM ET
Gigem314 said:Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.TheEternalOptimist said:Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
This is 5-D.
Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
Even less legitimate than our 2020 election.Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Ags4DaWin said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.
When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.
When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.
Venezuela much?
The two regions being controlled by Russian separatists? Doesn't look like "half" to me.
That will leave a mark
To be the "well akshually guy", the reason why Ukraine cannot have elections (per their Constitution) is because Zelensky declared nationwide martial law in 2022. Wartime does not Constitutionally prohibit them from having elections.Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
JayM said:So Russia enters Ukraine and finishes the deal with tacit approval from Trump. And Europe realizes they have no ally in the US. That may satisfy your sugar cravings and good for you. We can do it on our own over here. We can declare we are of the same stature as Russia and China in moving the chess pieces along the global chess board.Sid Farkas said:JayM said:I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"Birdwatcher said:
Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.
Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
Then let Europe unilaterally withdraw from and end NATO...... and put General Zelensky as Supreme Leader of European forces.rootube said:Gigem314 said:Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.TheEternalOptimist said:Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
This is 5-D.
Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.
Who we going to war with?Burpelson said:
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
Yep. England had elections in 1944.The Reverse Apache Master said:To be the "well akshually guy", the reason why Ukraine cannot have elections (per their Constitution) is because Zelensky declared nationwide martial law in 2022. Wartime does not Constitutionally prohibit them from having elections.Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
buzzardb267 said:
Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.
With who?Burpelson said:
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
Commander Gorn said:
I don't like Ukraine or Russia, Zelensky or Putin. Certainly neither is a hero to any American
Burpelson said:
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
rootube said:buzzardb267 said:
Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.
Zelenskyy has managed to keep his country in the fight with the second largest military in the world for three years. He's probably going to go down as the second greatest diplomat in history behind Winston Churchill. Trump on the other hand boasted he could end this war in 24 hours.
What specifically is going to happen that will be evident in 20 years?chickencoupe16 said:
Trump was the best choice in the election and is right about a lot of things. He is absolutely wrong about this and in 20 years, most people will realize it.
usmcbrooks said:JayM said:So Russia enters Ukraine and finishes the deal with tacit approval from Trump. And Europe realizes they have no ally in the US. That may satisfy your sugar cravings and good for you. We can do it on our own over here. We can declare we are of the same stature as Russia and China in moving the chess pieces along the global chess board.Sid Farkas said:JayM said:I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"Birdwatcher said:
Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.
Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
Im Gipper said:
MTG's boy friend:Brian Glenn: Why don’t you wear a suit?!? Do you own a suit? pic.twitter.com/p1gdffSPkJ
— Acyn (@Acyn) February 28, 2025
How did this idiot end up as President of Ukraine?
— Gabe (@GabeZZOZZ) February 27, 2025
pic.twitter.com/SvqMDKJ3Ve
Precisely. But to many here.... offering criticism of Ukraine's regime must mean you support Russia and Putin.mslags97 said:Commander Gorn said:
I don't like Ukraine or Russia, Zelensky or Putin. Certainly neither is a hero to any American
This is the truth. You morons that think Zelensky is a hero are clueless to all of the junk pulled by Ukraine and Zelensky.
