Ags4DaWin said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Farmer_J said:

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Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.

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When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?

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Birdwatcher said:

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Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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TommyBrady said:

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If only California, New York, and Massachusetts were allowed to vote in elections I wonder if the dems would win in a landslide?

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Zelensky can't win an election right now if he allowed one...... even with the pro-Russian east under occupation.

Facts.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Farmer_J said:

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Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.

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When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?

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The two regions being controlled by Russian separatists? Doesn't look like "half" to me.

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Teslag said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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By that logic, Zelensky could end it as well by throwing down his arms. Both sides are going to have to give things up in any peace deal

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I'll ask again, what is Russia going to give up?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Farmer_J said:

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Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.

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When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?

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The two regions being controlled by Russian separatists? Doesn't look like "half" to me.

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FIDO_Ags said:

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Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.

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And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.

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Farmer_J said:

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This will blow over. Deals often have at least one "walk-away." Trump strengthened his hand. Zelensky weakened his hand. That's where we needed to be.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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You and the 95 who starred this nonsense, send me your addresses. I'll purchase y'all one way airfare so you can go live with your hero.

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Send me your address and I'll send you a one way first class ticket to your motherland Russia so you can live with your hero.

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Why are the war proponents the ones sounding the most emotional?

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Birdwatcher said:

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Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists

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Gigem314 said:

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Farmer_J said:

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This will blow over. Deals often have at least one "walk-away." Trump strengthened his hand. Zelensky weakened his hand. That's where we needed to be.

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The art of the...deal?

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JayM said:

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Birdwatcher said:

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Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists

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I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"

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DTP02 said:

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FIDO_Ags said:

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Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.

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And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.

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Who's saying Russia isn't forcing its fighting age men into the meatgrinder? The whole point in saying that is that Ukraine is running out of people willing to fight and that Ukraine needs a peace deal. Russia is the same but has more people to sacrifice and a more authoritarian govt willing to do so.

A lot of analysts think the political and internal pressure on Putin is much less with them on a war footing than it would be otherwise, so they have less incentive to stop until their goals are achieved.

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IndividualFreedom said:

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I do not like the cameras being on. That was advantage to Zelensky. DJT and Vance had to kick the Ukraines out. It all bout respeck.

My favorite part was that they got kicked out before lunch was served. Like HR after they fire IT on a Friday have an immediate security escort, do not stop by the desk for the things.

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Buh bye. 👋 pic.twitter.com/iz2zqa2TjQ

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 28, 2025

Sid Farkas said:

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JayM said:

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Birdwatcher said:

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Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists

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I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"

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Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.

Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.

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NPH- said:

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neither side really wins here, but the U.S. should not be the Bank for this damn thing, regardless of where you stand on the situation.

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