Trump-Vance-Zelenskyy

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Ags4DaWin said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Farmer_J said:

Teslag said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

captkirk said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Bones08 said:

I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

And Putin is?
Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?


If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.


Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.


You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.



And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.


When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?


The two regions being controlled by Russian separatists? Doesn't look like "half" to me.




It's so weird that only one side of this argument seems to feel the need to make stuff up (I.e only half country allowed to vote, etc)
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Trump lovers think Trump did good. Trump haters think it was an embarrassment.

No one saw this coming.
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FIDO_Ags said:

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Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.


And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.



Who's saying Russia isn't forcing its fighting age men into the meatgrinder? The whole point in saying that is that Ukraine is running out of people willing to fight and that Ukraine needs a peace deal. Russia is the same but has more people to sacrifice and a more authoritarian govt willing to do so.

A lot of analysts think the political and internal pressure on Putin is much less with them on a war footing than it would be otherwise, so they have less incentive to stop until their goals are achieved.
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Birdwatcher said:

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
So what you're saying is that Trump and Vance should tell Putin and Zelensky "Don't". Gotcha.
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Farmer_J said:

This will blow over. Deals often have at least one "walk-away." Trump strengthened his hand. Zelensky weakened his hand. That's where we needed to be.
The art of the...deal?
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Heineken-Ashi said:

Old RV Ag said:

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mallen said:

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.


You and the 95 who starred this nonsense, send me your addresses. I'll purchase y'all one way airfare so you can go live with your hero.
Send me your address and I'll send you a one way first class ticket to your motherland Russia so you can live with your hero.
Why are the war proponents the ones sounding the most emotional?
I give Teslag a bit of understanding here as he did combat directly against Russia in Syria. I can not imagine. And I never fault the individual soldier/marine/sailor/airman for being deployed into sht situations.

But once again...... another war/conflict that we should have never gotten involved with.

Our boys here in America mean more to me than cannon fodder for endless non-defensive wars that line up nicely with military industrialists. And I don't want my money going to support hopeless situations in Ukraine either.

We need a cease fire NOW.
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mallen said:

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.


What are the idiots who starred this basing this on? Insane.
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Birdwatcher said:

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
As it should be. **** that goon.
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Gigem314 said:

Farmer_J said:

This will blow over. Deals often have at least one "walk-away." Trump strengthened his hand. Zelensky weakened his hand. That's where we needed to be.
The art of the...deal?
And yet, like clockwork, the roaches crawl out and expose themselves to the light. When the deal is made and the US wins, they will act like they didn't get embarrassed, again, like every other time.
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JayM said:

Birdwatcher said:

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"


Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.

Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
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Birdwatcher said:

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists


Go back to watching birds ...
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Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
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DTP02 said:

FIDO_Ags said:

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Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.


And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.



Who's saying Russia isn't forcing its fighting age men into the meatgrinder? The whole point in saying that is that Ukraine is running out of people willing to fight and that Ukraine needs a peace deal. Russia is the same but has more people to sacrifice and a more authoritarian govt willing to do so.

A lot of analysts think the political and internal pressure on Putin is much less with them on a war footing than it would be otherwise, so they have less incentive to stop until their goals are achieved.
^ This is correct. Putin/Russian war propaganda has been far more successful at galvanizing broad support for the war and has caused Putin to become more entrenched in his hold on power there.

Russia had problems with defections and refusals to serve early in the war that have largely dissipated.

The Ukrainian incursion into Russia itself and the Ukrainian strikes inside Russia also galvanized the people as well.
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neither side really wins here, but the U.S. should not be the Bank for this damn thing, regardless of where you stand on the situation.
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IndividualFreedom said:

I do not like the cameras being on. That was advantage to Zelensky. DJT and Vance had to kick the Ukraines out. It all bout respeck.

My favorite part was that they got kicked out before lunch was served. Like HR after they fire IT on a Friday have an immediate security escort, do not stop by the desk for the things.
Heard on Clay & Buck the executive staff of the White House press office was getting to eat it instead. Sounds like their lunch plans got an unexpected upgrade!
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There's no way to know the true thoughts of the Russian people.
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4stringAg said:

Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.

This is 5-D.

Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
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Sid Farkas said:

JayM said:

Birdwatcher said:

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"


Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.

Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
So Russia enters Ukraine and finishes the deal with tacit approval from Trump. And Europe realizes they have no ally in the US. That may satisfy your sugar cravings and good for you. We can do it on our own over here. We can declare we are of the same stature as Russia and China in moving the chess pieces along the global chess board.
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Amen. People also show how little real world negotiation experience they have. Whether directly or even indirectly. Most people are clueless and only regurgitate whatever echo chamber there in is saying.
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NPH- said:

neither side really wins here, but the U.S. should not be the Bank for this damn thing, regardless of where you stand on the situation.
Especially when a big chunk our "aid" just disappeared. Wonder how much of it made it back into American politician's offshore accounts?
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I bet europe butt puckered watching that.
.........and if you wanna hear God laugh, tell him your plans.
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Time will tell. The U.S. killed over 2MM north Vietnamese and we know how that turned out.
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Tailgate88 said:

NPH- said:

neither side really wins here, but the U.S. should not be the Bank for this damn thing, regardless of where you stand on the situation.
Especially when a big chunk our "aid" just disappeared. Wonder how much of it made it back into American politician's offshore accounts?
10% to the big guy
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Teslag said:

There's no way to know the true thoughts of the Russian people.
Yes there is.

When they are family and friends and they are here visiting.

And yes - there is a large segment of the Russian population that opposes the war --- but they are a distinct minority.
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F Ukraine and F zelenskyy. Go back home and leave the American people out of your fight with Russia.

Also... Give the tax payers their money back.
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
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aggiedata said:




FAFO
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Trump knew Zelensky would behave as such. So he let the world see. Zelensky just wants tbe grift to continue to buy more mansions around the world while he gets to play dress up GI Joe
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Ellis Wyatt said:

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He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together
I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.



Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**. My guess is we have galvanized all of Ukraine and Europe against the United States and Russia and they are probably going to finish the job which is fine but we have given up soft power in Europe. Something we have dominated since the end of WWII.
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FIDO_Ags said:

Time will tell. The U.S. killed over 2MM north Vietnamese and we know how that turned out.
A war that probably doesn't happen if JFK was not killed by the deep state and his VP.

Yeah ... I said it.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

TommyBrady said:

If only California, New York, and Massachusetts were allowed to vote in elections I wonder if the dems would win in a landslide?
Zelensky can't win an election right now if he allowed one...... even with the pro-Russian east under occupation.

Facts.


Well, I would hope so since the dictator of Ukraine outlawed all opposition parties. That would be kinda embarrassing if he did lose.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

Teslag said:

There's no way to know the true thoughts of the Russian people.
Yes there is.

When they are family and friends and they are here visiting.

And yes - there is a large segment of the Russian population that opposes the war --- but they are a distinct minority.



You aren't the only one with family and friends from Russia
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TheEternalOptimist said:

Teslag said:

There's no way to know the true thoughts of the Russian people.
Yes there is.

When they are family and friends and they are here visiting.

And yes - there is a large segment of the Russian population that opposes the war --- but they are a distinct minority.

So, you are a Ruskie. horosho sidim


 
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