Yeah I don't know what to think about this exchange. Never seen anything like it. It would have been better if they had a piano staged nearby. ...just so everyone remembers who this squirt was pre-Victoria Nuland.FCBlitz said:
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Just weird to see…….
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Zelenski just increased Putin's hand in the negotiations.MouthBQ98 said:
Trump hates disrespect but also doesn't hold lasting grudges. If Zelensky will play ball and give Trump a political win, Trump will be cordial and friendly AND will play ball on security also.
All Zelensky had to do is play along and he would get much greater contributions to Ukrainian security, and more pressure on Russia to settle. He just can't bring himself to have to admit them at Ukraine will lose territory from 2014 in a deal.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
Wonder if the people in Ukraine saw the exchange? Do they have free media there?flown-the-coop said:They just had him on Fox and he seems ok now. He was gushing over how great Trump and Vance were in that meeting.oh no said:Sen. Lindsey Graham, a staunch Ukraine supporter, just had lunch in the Oval Office. Speaking from the WH Graham tells FOX he is "devastated" -- "My question is whether Zelenskyy is redeemable in the eyes of the American people, from what everyone saw nobody including me would…
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) February 28, 2025
For that blue & yella underoo wearing warhawk to be almost joyous after that lunch makes me think there is more to all of the theater today.
Bones08 said:Thanks for the info.AgGrad99 said:Because it will take concessions by both sides.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Ukraine is not in a position to negotiate. They need us to assist with that. If they give us minerals, in exchange for leverage, they can negotiate peace.
Without us, they will lose. Trump and JD know this. Russia knows this. Everyone knows this.
But Z is being very very short sighted.
Do you know what the proposed concessions would be from the Russian side? My Google skills are failing me other than Putin saying no to any territorial concessions (from a two week old article so may be outdated).
You're welcome. Seeing as they're in the position of power in this situation, not nearly as much as the Ukraine.
But they won't get any additional territory they dont already occupy, and certainly not the rare earth minerals we'll control. Trump has said they'll have to make additional concessions, but has not specified the details of their talks (so I guess, everyone will decide to believe him or not).
Zelensky is acting like he has the power. He has nothing, and cannot win. He comes waltzing in demanding everything, and lecturing us in front of the world. Even his own tweet seems to recognize he realized he screwed up badly.
I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.
The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?
The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?
Got it, thanks again.AgGrad99 said:Bones08 said:Thanks for the info.AgGrad99 said:Because it will take concessions by both sides.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Ukraine is not in a position to negotiate. They need us to assist with that. If they give us minerals, in exchange for leverage, they can negotiate peace.
Without us, they will lose. Trump and JD know this. Russia knows this. Everyone knows this.
But Z is being very very short sighted.
Do you know what the proposed concessions would be from the Russian side? My Google skills are failing me other than Putin saying no to any territorial concessions (from a two week old article so may be outdated).
You're welcome. Seeing as they're in the position of power in this situation, not nearly as much as the Ukraine.
But they won't get any additional territory they dont already occupy, and certainly not the rare earth minerals we'll control. Trump has said they'll have to make additional concessions, but has not specified the details of their talks.
Zelensky is acting like he has the power. He has nothing, and comes waltzing in demanding everything, and lecturing us in front of the world. Even his own tweet seems to recognize he realized he screwed up badly.
captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
I think the warmongers in our Congress and the clowns in the European Union have egged on Zalinsky to be a tough guy and undermine Trump. It's going to backfire bigly !
FCBlitz said:
I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.
The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?
What makes you think Russia just wants what they have?
J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
Seat of the pants diplomacy. Consider in the history of the world, and Trump is the author policy that leads to the destruction and absorption of Ukraine and then Russia menaces the countries at the front lines of NATO, namely the Baltics and Poland. Throw in Moldova, Romania and Bulgaria.strbrst777 said:
Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.
By that logic, Zelensky could end it as well by throwing down his arms. Both sides are going to have to give things up in any peace dealJ. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Seems Russia is the one running out of soldiers. They have North Koreans being used. That's pretty bad for a country the size and seemingly power of RussiaFCBlitz said:
I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.
The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?
Silver Arrows said:
Trump and JD are trash. Siding with the Russians
Trying to stop war profiteers, WW3, and protect the American people is siding with the Russians now?
Weird how the war hawks have tried to move the goalposts.
Neocons are the worst.
Ags4DaWin said:Silver Arrows said:
Trump and JD are trash. Siding with the Russians
Trying to stop war profiteers, WW3, and protect the American people is siding with the Russians now?
Weird how the war hawks have tried to move the goalposts.
Neocons are the worst.
So much for being respected world leaders. Donald J Krasnov and J pray my gay away Vance have flushed it all down the crapper in less than a month.
Pathetic diplomacy and just another pathetic display with another foreign leader.
Pathetic diplomacy and just another pathetic display with another foreign leader.
captkirk said:By that logic, Zelensky could end it as well by throwing down his arms. Both sides are going to have to give things up in any peace dealJ. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
I'll ask again, what is Russia going to give up?
Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.
J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Why would he relinquish what a million of his countrymen died to obtain, when he's clearly in the drivers 's seat?
It's way past time to be a righteous stick in the mud. Only pragmatism will help Ukraine keep what country it has left.
Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
TommyBrady said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
He's a grifter and Zelensky is like the king of grifting. He's his hero
Twisted himself in knots the same way for months over his beloved jab. He'll end up wrong about this one too, then who knows what his new handle will be. This guy sings from the same hymnal as people like Adam Kinzinger. It's hilarious.
J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Yep Putin is the invader.
Zelensky and his regime were dictators and tyrants committing crimes against humanity in Donbas, laundering money for corrupt DC politicians, and using their country as a black site for bioweapons manufacturing first though.
Your moral high ground is about the size of an anthill
You're talking to someone who's entire lifestyle depends on US taxpayers continuing to fund him. He need Ukraine war as bad as Biden does.Farmer_J said:Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
Clay Travis just made a great point on the radio...."Usually, when it's obvious who is going to win the war, you call a cease fire."
Ukraine cannot in any way possibly win this war, especially without any more funding from the US.
Ukraine cannot in any way possibly win this war, especially without any more funding from the US.
swc93 said:
So much for being respected world leaders. Donald J Krasnov and J pray my gay away Vance have flushed it all down the crapper in less than a month.
Pathetic diplomacy and just another pathetic display with another foreign leader.
Z is that you?
Zelenskyy miscalculated. He knew he had Biden eating out of his hand and would get promises for any request for aid. Biden set the precedent that Ukraine could dictate to the U.S. what to do. Trump is sending the message that Ukraine has no leverage - and frankly that should have been a firm understanding from the outset of the conflict, but the Biden Administration set a horrible example of appeasement.J. Walter Weatherman said:infinity ag said:
Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.
Agreed. Frustrating display by all three of them for anyone who actually wants to see peace happen, but especially Zelenskyy. He has to know by now that you have to schmooze Trump in order to have him on your side. Even if he was right about Russia that's not nearly as important to Ukraine at this point as getting the deal done. Hopefully they get it figured out.
This conflict is a complete mess, and it gets worse for the U.S. the deeper we get pulled into it.
I'm sorry...just so I'm clear....swc93 said:
So much for being respected world leaders. Donald J Krasnov and J pray my gay away Vance have flushed it all down the crapper in less than a month.
Pathetic diplomacy and just another pathetic display with another foreign leader.
Are you making the case a month ago, Biden was considered a 'respected world leader?'
That's a tough argument to make, my man. World leaders were caught talking about him and laughing at him a few years ago. He got lost, 3 feet away from a group photo with world leaders.
mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
You and the 95 who starred this nonsense, send me your addresses. I'll purchase y'all one way airfare so you can go live with your hero.
Tailgate88 said:
Clay Travis just made a great point on the radio...."Usually, when it's obvious who is going to win the war, you call a cease fire."
Ukraine cannot in any way possibly win this war, especially without any more funding from the US.
It's almost like Z is in it for the money and not the end of the war
Farmer_J said:Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.
Farmer_J said:Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
And then Zelensky beat the CIA installed government
Teslag said:FCBlitz said:
I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.
The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?
What makes you think Russia just wants what they have?
I am just saying…..that is the best outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to agree to end the war but they are keeping what they have won. Ukraine will loose the long game unless there are countries willing to send their soldiers to die for Ukraine.
If Russia wants more…..then the war will continue. .
rgag12 said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Why would he relinquish what a million of his countrymen died to obtain, when he's clearly in the drivers 's seat?
It's way past time to be a righteous stick in the mud. Only pragmatism will help Ukraine keep what country it has left.
So you're saying he doesn't want peace? I agree.
J. Walter Weatherman said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?J. Walter Weatherman said:captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.
Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.
You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.
Come on, now we just talked about this.
And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.
When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.
When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.
Venezuela much?