Farmer_J said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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You're talking to someone who's entire lifestyle depends on US taxpayers continuing to fund him. He need Ukraine war as bad as Biden does.

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Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.

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Agreed. Frustrating display by all three of them for anyone who actually wants to see peace happen, but especially Zelenskyy. He has to know by now that you have to schmooze Trump in order to have him on your side. Even if he was right about Russia that's not nearly as important to Ukraine at this point as getting the deal done. Hopefully they get it figured out.

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Zelenskyy miscalculated. He knew he had Biden eating out of his hand and would get promises for any request for aid. Biden set the precedent that Ukraine could dictate to the U.S. what to do. Trump is sending the message that Ukraine has no leverage - and frankly that should have been a firm understanding from the outset of the conflict, but the Biden Administration set a horrible example of appeasement.

This conflict is a complete mess, and it gets worse for the U.S. the deeper we get pulled into it.

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Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.

Farmer_J said:

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Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Zelensky beat the CIA installed government

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FCBlitz said:

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I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.

The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?

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What makes you think Russia just wants what they have?

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I am just saying…..that is the best outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to agree to end the war but they are keeping what they have won. Ukraine will loose the long game unless there are countries willing to send their soldiers to die for Ukraine.

If Russia wants more…..then the war will continue. .

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Why would he relinquish what a million of his countrymen died to obtain, when he's clearly in the drivers 's seat?

It's way past time to be a righteous stick in the mud. Only pragmatism will help Ukraine keep what country it has left.

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So you're saying he doesn't want peace? I agree.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.

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When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Why would he relinquish what a million of his countrymen died to obtain, when he's clearly in the drivers 's seat?

It's way past time to be a righteous stick in the mud. Only pragmatism will help Ukraine keep what country it has left.

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So you're saying he doesn't want peace? I agree.

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You can't end a war unless both sides agree. Don't be dumb

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I'll ask again, what is Russia going to give up?

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I don't think you understand how this works. NATO advancement prompted Russia into war. They're not giving up anything, just like we wouldn't give up anything if we invaded Mexico because Russia wanted to set up nukes on our southern border.

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Clay Travis just made a great point on the radio...."Usually, when it's obvious who is going to win the war, you call a cease fire."

Ukraine cannot in any way possibly win this war, especially without any more funding from the US.

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It's almost like Z is in it for the money and not the end of the war

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Ya think? Dude is going to have pause his automatic transfer from checking to his Cayman Island savings now that the paycheck is drying up.

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FCBlitz said:

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I think the reality here is Russia doesn't have to give away anything or make concessions. The goal is to get them to stop. That might be hard for folks to understand, but Russia has. a significant say in agreeing to a cease in hostility. Ukraine will at some point have to start drafting their 18 to 21 year olds and they still will not have enough souls to sacrifice 1for 1 with the Russians.

The best outcome is to get Russia to stop attacking and keep what they have won. Honestly who is going to dislodge Russia out of those captured territories?

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What makes you think Russia just wants what they have?

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They want more than what they have. Their main concession will be to accept far less than what they want. Ukraine will have to give up territory and agree to min rights as payback to the US, but won't have to keep losing its people.

Nobody gets what they want, which is the nature of the thing.

Contrary to some of the comments on here, while I do think Zelensky was installed as a puppet, I don't think he's wanting to continue the war due to grift. Rather he's engaging in a form of sunk cost fallacy. His people will be better off if they agree to a brokered peace deal, despite the concessions it will cost them.

The alternative is a lot more lives lost and quite likely much more territory as well.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Zelensky beat the CIA installed government

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Oh man, that was a good laugh. Thanks

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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It's not that, but this dude is no hero nor is he brave. He can wear all the quasi-military outfits he wants and it won't change anything. And he'll keep it going as long as he can keep banking money away; once that sweet grift runs dry he'll disappear like a roach when the lights come on.

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Is there like a Russian propaganda newsletter you guys subscribe to where you get emailed these hot takes??

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Never said squat about Russia, but Zelenski is no f'ng hero. Get off your knees.

Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists

If only California, New York, and Massachusetts were allowed to vote in elections I wonder if the dems would win in a landslide?

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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You and the 95 who starred this nonsense, send me your addresses. I'll purchase y'all one way airfare so you can go live with your hero.

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Send me your address and I'll send you a one way first class ticket to your motherland Russia so you can live with your hero.

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Your concern is noted. I don't think you are cut out for big boy politics.

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And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.

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What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.

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The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.

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This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.

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Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?

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We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.

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You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.

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We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.

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This was written about over and over again in even the main stream media until it was no longer convenient.

This did happen.

Reagan and Bush 1 promises to Gorbachev.
Clinton promises to Yeltsin, Putin, and Medvedev.
Then Clinton abruptly changed gears... and when Russia inquired about NATO membership, Clinton, and then Bush 2, shunned him.

Why are you denying history here?

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As soon as the cameras went off Zelensky "was begging to stay and work things out" and Trump sent his little ass packing and told him to GTFO.

His little act for the cameras is going to end his country

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Not saying it didn't happen but do you have any proof?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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captkirk said:

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Bones08 said:

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?

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If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.

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Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.

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You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.

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And then Zelensky beat the CIA installed government

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Oh man, that was a good laugh. Thanks

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Are you denying that zelensky beat the guy we supposedly installed in 2014?

Zelensky is dumber than a doorbell. He will get absolutely nothing now in this peace deal. All he had to do was kiss the ring and he was too arrogant and proud to help his country.

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When does the United States funding stop to Ukraine?

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We may have already? I know Biden sent them some funding on his way out the door but I think we've locked everything down since Trump got in office.

But I don't know that for certain.

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What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.

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The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.

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This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.

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Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?

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We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.

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You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.

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We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.

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This was written about over and over again in even the main stream media until it was no longer convenient.

This did happen.

Reagan and Bush 1 promises to Gorbachev.
Clinton promises to Yeltsin, Putin, and Medvedev.
Then Clinton abruptly changed gears... and when Russia inquired about NATO membership, Clinton, and then Bush 2, shunned him.

Why are you denying history here?

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Because we never promised not to expand Russia and even Gorbachev said we didn't

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usmcbrooks said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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You and the 95 who starred this nonsense, send me your addresses. I'll purchase y'all one way airfare so you can go live with your hero.

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Send me your address and I'll send you a one way first class ticket to your motherland Russia so you can live with your hero.

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Why are the war proponents the ones sounding the most emotional?

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If only California, New York, and Massachusetts were allowed to vote in elections I wonder if the dems would win in a landslide?

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Zelensky can't win an election right now if he allowed one...... even with the pro-Russian east under occupation.

Facts.