Yes, alot of this is the result of the folly of the necons. Saddams and Assads were not an issue by comparison.Gig em G said:
Maybe we should've learned our lesson and not arm, fund, and support terror organizations for the purpose of destabilize regimes that we don't like. "Jihad propaganda" probably wouldn't be as prevalent as it is now.
I mean, Israel funded and supported Hamas at one point. Look how well that worked out for them.
MouthBQ98 said:
People that buy too much second/weekend/crisis vehicle try to use TURO short term rental to recover some of the cost by renting it out. I suppose it makes sense for some people, but it is an option for renting something that isn't a plain rental fleet vehicle.
LMCane said:
seems very bizarre that the FBI is letting some rando "journalist" walk around an active crime scene
but you can see the DOJ affidavits for obtaining a warrant and what they catalogued
seems very strange...
this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
LMCane said:
seems very bizarre that the FBI is letting some rando "journalist" walk around an active crime scene
but you can see the DOJ affidavits for obtaining a warrant and what they catalogued
seems very strange...
Seven Costanza said:
Very weird that seemingly anyone can just go in there.
Very. And why would they leave all that evidence behind? Why not investigate a wider conspiracy? What evidence do they have to rush to the conclusion? Lone Wolf my a$$.LMCane said:
seems very bizarre that the FBI is letting some rando "journalist" walk around an active crime scene
but you can see the DOJ affidavits for obtaining a warrant and what they catalogued
seems very strange...
Quote:
On Wednesday, FBI agents and sheriff's deputies converged on a property near the intersection of Hugh Road and Crescent Peak Drive in north Houston for a "court-authorized search." A home at the location is believed to be connected to the suspect.
They arrived at the location on Wednesday afternoon and continued to work into Thursday morning.
According to the FBI, the search concluded shortly before 8 a.m. The agency says there is no threat to residents in the area.
"Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, we are unable to provide any details. FBI New Orleans remains the primary field office responsible for investigating yesterday's Bourbon Street attack. We are grateful for the partnerships and support provided by the Harris County Sheriff's Office, Houston Police Department, and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)," the FBI said, in part, in a statement Thursday morning.
Possible class action lawsuit against the city for negligence?Old Army Ghost said:this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/bourbon-street-attack/bourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack/
WTF? Why is FBI allowing THE PRESS TO WANDER THRU THE TERRORIST’S HOME?? UNREAL!😳 https://t.co/TocKeclZGb
— Juanita Broaddrick (@atensnut) January 3, 2025
you're right. Weird. Not just because they're letting a NY Post journalist walk thru the scene like that. Maybe it's the Feds making an attempt at transparency that looks so odd.Seven Costanza said:
Very weird that seemingly anyone can just go in there.
LMCane said:
seems very bizarre that the FBI is letting some rando "journalist" walk around an active crime scene
but you can see the DOJ affidavits for obtaining a warrant and what they catalogued
seems very strange...
Sid Farkas said:you're right. Weird. Not just because they're letting a NY Post journalist walk thru the scene like that. Maybe it's the Feds making an attempt at transparency that looks so odd.Seven Costanza said:
Very weird that seemingly anyone can just go in there.
— FBI Houston (@FBIHouston) January 2, 2025
Old Army Ghost said:this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/bourbon-street-attack/bourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack/
If its an attempt at transparency, it certainly is that. Its the ideal of any investigator to be able to see things as they were left, but its simply astonishing to think they have had time to properly find, discover or notice everything there is to be noticed before stopping any further inspection???Sid Farkas said:you're right. Weird. Not just because they're letting a NY Post journalist walk thru the scene like that. Maybe it's the Feds making an attempt at transparency that looks so odd.Seven Costanza said:
Very weird that seemingly anyone can just go in there.
FBI Asks X Users To Please Stop Solving Crimes Before They Do https://t.co/TZt3AKcaR0 pic.twitter.com/IsagWwggxW
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) January 2, 2025
A radicalized ISIS Jihadist m*rdered these people in cold blood.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 3, 2025
SAY THEIR NAMES:
Matthew Tenedorio
Reggie Hunter
Tiger Bech
Nikyra Cheyenne Dedeaux
Nicole Perez
Kareem Badawi
Billy DiMaio
Hubert Gauthreaux
Drew Dauphin
Prayers for their family 🙏🏻 pic.twitter.com/iEckKHeahH
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwltv.com%2Farticle%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2Fbourbon-street-attack%2Fbourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack%2FJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/bourbon-street-attack/bourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack/
Link doesn't work. But presuming it's about bourbon st. barricade, that only means it wouldn't have occurred precisely like this, not that there wouldn't have been a virtually identical attack somewhere else in the city. That's the point. There's pedestrians everywhere. Why is it better if he ran down 50 people on Canal rather than Bourbon?
Old Army Ghost said:https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwltv.com%2Farticle%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2Fbourbon-street-attack%2Fbourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack%2FJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/bourbon-street-attack/bourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack/
Link doesn't work. But presuming it's about bourbon st. barricade, that only means it wouldn't have occurred precisely like this, not that there wouldn't have been a virtually identical attack somewhere else in the city. That's the point. There's pedestrians everywhere. Why is it better if he ran down 50 people on Canal rather than Bourbon?
you are right we must accept that rjnning over people is just how life is so do not take measures to reduce risk at areas of high concentration of people
GAC06 said:
There are vehicle barriers that allow people to pass just fine. Look in front of pretty much any bank, gun store, liquor store, etc. OMG how does anyone get into or out of any of those stores?!?
JCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwltv.com%2Farticle%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2Fbourbon-street-attack%2Fbourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack%2FJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:this incident alone could have been prevented if they used the sidewalk archers thay the city hadJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of lifeJCA1 said:Old Army Ghost said:do you have locks on your house and car? why?ABATTBQ11 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:GAC06 said:HoustonAg2106 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.
That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.
Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?
I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?
Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/bourbon-street-attack/bourbon-street-archers-barricades-new-orleans-terror-attack/
Link doesn't work. But presuming it's about bourbon st. barricade, that only means it wouldn't have occurred precisely like this, not that there wouldn't have been a virtually identical attack somewhere else in the city. That's the point. There's pedestrians everywhere. Why is it better if he ran down 50 people on Canal rather than Bourbon?
you are right we must accept that rjnning over people is just how life is so do not take measures to reduce risk at areas of high concentration of people
Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying your proposal makes no difference in situations like this. Once that guy committed to giving his own life to indiscriminately kill people, the die was cast and this (or some other method) was happening somewhere in NOLA. There just too many ways people can do things like this once they make up their mind to do it. Only thing we can do to prevent it is try and combat the ideology and identify and monitor those following it.
But if it makes you feel like you have some control to think barricading one road in NOLA would have made this guy abandon his plans, so be it.
