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Have any proof of it, or jyst towing the tech-bro mgmt line?

Funny, I know people with decades of experience in th tech sector who are highly skilled and motivated that are 1000+ applications in, some of them to companies importing people on H1b visas because they "can't find" workers.

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Proof?

Ask anyone to name the last Fields medal winner vs the last NFL mvp.

This isn't about just " tech". It is about cultural priorities.

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Can someone explain this lazy American work culture idealism? He seems to use the tech sector to paint a broad brush about American workers. You ever been out to the oil fields in west Texas, Alaska, dakotas? What about the doctors, nurses, mechanics, hvac, plumbing, electricians, steel, welders, farmers, ranchers etc.? I don't see a culture of lazy losers…I see millions of hard working Americans out there hustling and many working more than one job to put food on the table and chase the American dream. Many voted for trump because despite their best efforts of busting ass, they have still fallen behind over the last 4 years…and oh no they might watch a ball game on their 1-2 day off a week or catch their kids sports game.

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So bias in data sampling? So he's drawing conclusions while missing the bigger American picture. Got it

Woods Ag said:

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Figure out and reach out to the hiring manager directly. LinkedIn and Email. It's easy enough to figure out email formats and email someone directly. Be persistent and follow up every 3-5 days… at least 3x and then give it 2 weeks and follow up again. I may even call them, but you need to be prepared. If you're not used to cold calling then that may be rough

If you're apply thru a job forum you're asking to be thrown out. Consider yourself lucky if guy get hired through that route.

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I have a job I'm happy with.

But cold-calling does not work. And I did try it. Unless you have either an industry connection or exceptional experience to back your resume up, your email gets ignored or they just tell you to apply through their company portal. It's not a tenable approach for entry-level job seekers.

"Hiring managers" rarely exist anymore. The hiring pool trimming is done entirely through committee in HR before anyone that has any idea what the words on your resume mean even looks at it. I'd get callbacks from HR for applications where I made it clear I'm disabled, but not the ones where I didn't. There's a reason for that.

The only reason I got the job I have now is because after graduating from A&M and seeing the horrible options that were offered to me, I found a specific job in the org and tailored my masters coursework to it. I found out later that HR would toss out any application that didn't have specific keywords in their course list, regardless of what the actual courses you took covered. As a result, the hiring pool for my job is artificially smaller than it actually is. And it's an industry wide issue.

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Dude I've seen you post enough to know you're trolling. Try again.

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And we've seen enough to know you constantly blame others for any failure or bad situation.

It's a recurring theme.

Drip99 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Drip99 said:

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Have any proof of it, or jyst towing the tech-bro mgmt line?

Funny, I know people with decades of experience in th tech sector who are highly skilled and motivated that are 1000+ applications in, some of them to companies importing people on H1b visas because they "can't find" workers.

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Proof?

Ask anyone to name the last Fields medal winner vs the last NFL mvp.

This isn't about just " tech". It is about cultural priorities.

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Can someone explain this lazy American work culture idealism? He seems to use the tech sector to paint a broad brush about American workers. You ever been out to the oil fields in west Texas, Alaska, dakotas? What about the doctors, nurses, mechanics, hvac, plumbing, electricians, steel, welders, farmers, ranchers etc.? I don't see a culture of lazy losers…I see millions of hard working Americans out there hustling and many working more than one job to put food on the table and chase the American dream. Many voted for trump because despite their best efforts of busting ass, they have still fallen behind over the last 4 years…and oh no they might watch a ball game on their 1-2 day off a week or catch their kids sports game.

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So bias in data sampling? So he's drawing conclusions while missing the bigger American picture. Got it

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Or...

You are...

Or….not

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Or….not

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I agree there are a lot of great workers in the US.

But, there are also a whole lot of lazy ****ers.

The funny thing is that TA has spent years *****ing about them and one comment by Vivek and apparently, everyone is hardworking and there are no lazy people...

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Or….not

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I agree there are a lot of great workers in the US.

But, there are also a whole lot of lazy ****ers.

The funny thing is that TA has spent years *****ing about them and one comment by Vivek and apparently, everyone is hardworking and there are no lazy people...

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I never said that. Every "culture" has lazy workers. I was simply stating that the American culture being painted was not true across the spectrum. Taking the tech sector and applying that to everyone else is silly. This board has also said that the American private sector takes care of lazy workers so they get weeded out. Either way, I agree that not every worker is the beacon of excellence that employers want…but to act like we have some over arching work culture issue is short sighted. There are plenty of hard working qualified Americans here to move us forward…and that includes tech.

my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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Needs way more stars than I can give

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my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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What is considered foreign workers in the dfw construction market? Not throwing shade but I think I know the answer

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my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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What is considered foreign workers in the dfw construction market? Not throwing shade but I think I know the answer

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It has nothing to do with H1-B's and No Spin knows this, but she just wants the warm and fuzzies.

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: American born workers do not want to do the work for the extremely low pay

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The quiet part said outloud.

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my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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Needs way more stars than I can give

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Forget the stars. I'll send you this book for free:

Send me your address.

Agdad did not say "for extremely low pay" -

the company pays $25 per hour to its field employees - I do not believe that in anyway is "extremely low pay"

I've done it twice in my career and was hired both times.

Once with a 10k person company and once with a small company. It absolutely works.

By hiring manager I mean the person you will report to or is going to have major pull in the decision.

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Vivek just exposed a massive rift between the Musk/Vivek "tech right" and the American nationalists.

We dont want any more Indians. We dont want any more third world immigration period. Hell, most of us don't want anyone from Norway or Hungary either. We have enough people. We need to convince Americans to get off their asses and make ween companies off the third world labor teat.

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But when Chad and Karen would rather live at home with mom and dad instead of getting the jobs the third world immigrants like Vivek are happily taking, what else can be done except to hire them? Wages have gone to and Chad and Karen still would rather stay home than work. How else do you convince them to work when it's obvious they don't want to.

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I work with just as many lazy arse Ashu's and Deepaks in IT as the Karens and Chads..They get away with all kinds of crap at the company I work for. There is nothing at all that makes Indians more talented or harder working than white people, it is just a myth. There are smart and dumb people from every culture as well as hardworking and lazy people. The only thing that set's Indians apart in IT is they are willing to work longer hours for less money to get a green card, and these companies that promote Indians to management let them hire almost all Indians to fill positions so they now believe they are the end all be all in IT positions just like Mexicans believe they are better construction workers or manual laborers than anyone else...

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No Spin Ag said:

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Vivek just exposed a massive rift between the Musk/Vivek "tech right" and the American nationalists.

We dont want any more Indians. We dont want any more third world immigration period. Hell, most of us don't want anyone from Norway or Hungary either. We have enough people. We need to convince Americans to get off their asses and make ween companies off the third world labor teat.

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But when Chad and Karen would rather live at home with mom and dad instead of getting the jobs the third world immigrants like Vivek are happily taking, what else can be done except to hire them? Wages have gone to and Chad and Karen still would rather stay home than work. How else do you convince them to work when it's obvious they don't want to.

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I work with just as many lazy arse Ashu's and Deepaks in IT as the Karens and Chads..They get away with all kinds of crap at the company I work for. There is nothing at all that makes Indians more talented or harder working than white people, it is just a myth. There are smart and dumb people from every culture as well as hardworking and lazy people. The only thing that set's Indians apart in IT is they are willing to work longer hours for less money to get a green card, and these companies that promote Indians to management let them hire almost all Indians to fill positions so they now believe they are the end all be all in IT positions just like Mexicans believe they are better construction workers or manual laborers than anyone else...

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This has been my experience as well with people in IT. Some great, some terribly lazy, some incompetent, and those things uncorrelated with race.

However, it can be true that when it comes to getting in a position to have a cushy IT job, a higher percentage of east and south Asians who have immigrated put themselves in position to get those jobs than do whites, blacks, and Hispanics.

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my two aggie sons have a construction company in the DFW metro area - most (if not all) of their field employees are foreign workers and I asked them why - their answer: American born workers do not want to do the work

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My friend's oil field services company has the same problem. Except they pay $12/hr and it's back breaking work. To be fair they do have some Americans working there. Ex-cons and sex offender registry guys. Outside of that it's Hispanic men. The company does the bare minimum to ensure everyone pass the requisite right to work check. They spend more time documenting that they followed the law, as taught to them by their lawyer.

Unfortunately there are some very large companies that employ those small field services companies bc of that cheap labor.

Our lowest paid guy is probably around $22 and that's a very green general laborer. Majority of our field hands are Hispanic but they make a hell of a living and work their ass off.

Every race has go getters and lazy people. I think the intention of handing out work visas is to select the go getters and get them working for American companies