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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Seems like a race problem to me.

Okay since the H1B visa and country caps and the tech sector and India an Indians are all a hot topic right now, I would like to address this as someone who has worked behind the scenes in H1B consultancies in the tech sector and explain EXACTLY why I’m against removing country… https://t.co/yJhvKFER5T

— VISH BURRA 🏴‍☠️ (@VishBurra) December 25, 2024

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Okay since the H1B visa and country caps and the tech sector and India an Indians are all a hot topic right now, I would like to address this as someone who has worked behind the scenes in H1B consultancies in the tech sector and explain EXACTLY why I'm against removing country caps, against the H1B visa, and against the entire canard that we need to import more people from anywhere, let alone India, to do "jobs that the tech sector can't find Americans to do:

1) Sourcing Talent- Big companies like Google and Meta have the resources to go and actually pluck out the ACTUAL best talent from these countries, and it's not hard for them to attract those applicants either because they have the brand recognition. All the best want to work for the best. This isn't necessarily the problem. The problem is all the no name consultancies and mid size/small size consultancies. They can petition for H1B's too. How are they sourcing them? Well, they (usually run by Indians) just find a guy from India through their network…who's willing to work for them and come to America. That's it. They'll make sure they have some kind of Bachelors or Masters from some college out there and have the aptitude to learn and understand software that's it. They aren't actually "geniuses" or anything like that. They are just willing to work and can learn to "talk the talk" quickly.

2) Importation- once the prospective worker agrees, the consultancy petitions the American government (USCIS) on their behalf, saying they tried to recruit for the job (job doesn't exist) in America and couldn't find anyone, that's why they need to bring this guy. Key part of this is that the visa is tied to the employer, so if the employer drops the worker, worker has to go back. He can't just find another job. This is the indentured servitude model.

3) The Gambit- the consultancy makes sure the guy speak English, and that's really it. USCIS can't actually vet the workers on the knowledge they claim they have, especially a vast and sophisticated field like software. USCIS doesn't actually have a way to tell if someone is lying about their skills or not. All they have to do is convince the USCIS that they can speak English so they can come and immediately start working here.

4) The Actual Job- once they get the petition for visa approved and they come here, they find out (or already know) they actually don't have a job here yet. The consultancy now tries to find Corp to Corp contract gigs for the worker. That's if they actually know the tech and they're not faking. If they are faking their skills, another workflow is initiated.

5) Training Day (or months) - the fakers are trained for up to 3-4 months in a software that's marketable and fetch a good hourly contract rate. Basically a coding Bootcamp style program. They go from zero to superficial knowledge in the tech, just enough to pass an interview with a potential client.

6) Sell the fake - after training the fake for 3-4 months, the fake is provided with a fake resume claiming 7-8 years of experience. Why? Because that's how much experience is needed to demand a minimum of $50 per hour on a contract. Does it work? Duh. These workers trained for 3-4 months routinely fool interviewers looking for 7-8 years experience.

7) The Split- once the job and rate is secured, the consultancy bills at $50 per hour and pays the actual worker the minimum (about $27.50) an hour, and the consultancy pockets the difference. Imagine a 100 H1Bs on a roster doing this for you.

Does this sound like fraud? Well that's because it is, from beginning to end.

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You know Hispanics have always been in Texas right

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A relatively small minority, yeah. Most that claim they are Tejanos showed up for farm jobs and lied to fit in. Texas would be a 70/15/15 breakdown of White/Hispanic/Black without forced mass migration that no one ever voted for.

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True, but if they weren't hired they wouldn't come here, much less stay here.

Blaming the immigrants is blaming the symptom. Now try blaming those who hire them.

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You know Hispanics have always been in Texas right

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A relatively small minority, yeah. Most that claim they are Tejanos showed up for farm jobs and lied to fit in. Texas would be a 70/15/15 breakdown of White/Hispanic/Black without forced mass migration that no one ever voted for.

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True, but if they weren't hired they wouldn't come here, much less stay here.

Blaming the immigrants is blaming the symptom. Now try blaming those who hire them.

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I agree, but I can also blame the foreign invader. I understand why they came here, but they should not be allowed.

I blame the government more than anything for allowing this to go on. Even if they were season, we have the power and ability to make sure they are leaving and not putting down roots. Alas, that failed. So, best policy is no immigration at all. It's not worth the cheap labor.

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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What do you think has caused the Reverse Flynn Effect in America and European countries over the last 20 years?

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Nice assumption, I went to schools with metal detectors at the entrance. Not a rich white enclave.

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Then you KNOW that the work ethic sucks in the US and it is NOT limited to WHITE people.

But, keep on with your distortion...

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Lol. I know it is not limited to white people, it is even worse for most non white people in America. I learned that quickly by being around them.

Like I said, we have enough homegrown talent even with the cultural issues. You are being duped by an Indian con man. He is telling you that America sucks so you should let him import all the foreigners he wants, which will mainly be Indians. Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

We can fix the culture without the foreigners. We can run our country without them too.

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Then, why did you lie when you said that Vivek said that about WHITE people?



FWIW, I have zero give a ****s about him. Or what his positions are.

I DO have give a ****s about people LYING about what was posted...

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Nice assumption, I went to schools with metal detectors at the entrance. Not a rich white enclave.

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Then you KNOW that the work ethic sucks in the US and it is NOT limited to WHITE people.

But, keep on with your distortion...

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Lol. I know it is not limited to white people, it is even worse for most non white people in America. I learned that quickly by being around them.

Like I said, we have enough homegrown talent even with the cultural issues. You are being duped by an Indian con man. He is telling you that America sucks so you should let him import all the foreigners he wants, which will mainly be Indians. Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

We can fix the culture without the foreigners. We can run our country without them too.

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Then, why did you lie when you said that Vivek said that about WHITE people?



FWIW, I have zero give a ****s about him. Or what his positions are.

I DO have give a ****s about people LYING about what was posted...

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Because I did not lie. You just cannot read.

He is talking specifically in response to the ongoing online debate about foreign immigrants, overwhelming indian, taking jobs away from Americans because they are willing to work like slaves at a discount.

Homegrown Americans in the tech industry are OVERWHELMINGLY white. This was an implicit statement saying "white Americans in tech are incompetent, we must import foreigners." Those foreigns just happen to mainly be compromised of people with the same ethnic background as him.

You are the mark being duped by a con man.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

Quo Vadis? said:

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Based Nimrata going to throw the boomers into an absolute spin

There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have. We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers. https://t.co/fIGr45C3LD

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) December 26, 2024

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Nikki Haley is still talking at him on social media after he exposed her entire political career multiple times on stage in a public setting straight to her face with tens of millions watching? Lulz.

Gotta respect her committment to the grift, I suppose.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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No Spin Ag said:

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VerdeAg said:

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You know Hispanics have always been in Texas right

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A relatively small minority, yeah. Most that claim they are Tejanos showed up for farm jobs and lied to fit in. Texas would be a 70/15/15 breakdown of White/Hispanic/Black without forced mass migration that no one ever voted for.

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True, but if they weren't hired they wouldn't come here, much less stay here.

Blaming the immigrants is blaming the symptom. Now try blaming those who hire them.

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I agree, but I can also blame the foreign invader. I understand why they came here, but they should not be allowed.

I blame the government more than anything for allowing this to go on. Even if they were season, we have the power and ability to make sure they are leaving and not putting down roots. Alas, that failed. So, best policy is no immigration at all. It's not worth the cheap labor.

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I hear you, but it's going to be a cold day in hell when those companies let the politicians they own do anything that'll hurt their bottom line.

Like I said earlier, these next few years will be very interesting when it comes to immigrants.

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No Spin Ag said:

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gbaby23 said:

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You know Hispanics have always been in Texas right

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A relatively small minority, yeah. Most that claim they are Tejanos showed up for farm jobs and lied to fit in. Texas would be a 70/15/15 breakdown of White/Hispanic/Black without forced mass migration that no one ever voted for.

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True, but if they weren't hired they wouldn't come here, much less stay here.

Blaming the immigrants is blaming the symptom. Now try blaming those who hire them.

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I agree, but I can also blame the foreign invader. I understand why they came here, but they should not be allowed.

I blame the government more than anything for allowing this to go on. Even if they were season, we have the power and ability to make sure they are leaving and not putting down roots. Alas, that failed. So, best policy is no immigration at all. It's not worth the cheap labor.

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I hear you, but it's going to be a cold day in hell when those companies let the politicians they own do anything that'll hurt their bottom line.

Like I said earlier, these next few years will be very interesting when it comes to immigrants.

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Trump has the big stick, it is all about if he decides to use it.

Big corps and immigration have been taken down at scale before. It can be done again.

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Nice assumption, I went to schools with metal detectors at the entrance. Not a rich white enclave.

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Then you KNOW that the work ethic sucks in the US and it is NOT limited to WHITE people.

But, keep on with your distortion...

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Lol. I know it is not limited to white people, it is even worse for most non white people in America. I learned that quickly by being around them.

Like I said, we have enough homegrown talent even with the cultural issues. You are being duped by an Indian con man. He is telling you that America sucks so you should let him import all the foreigners he wants, which will mainly be Indians. Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

We can fix the culture without the foreigners. We can run our country without them too.

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Then, why did you lie when you said that Vivek said that about WHITE people?



FWIW, I have zero give a ****s about him. Or what his positions are.

I DO have give a ****s about people LYING about what was posted...

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Because I did not lie. You just cannot read.

He is talking specifically in response to the ongoing online debate about foreign immigrants, overwhelming indian, taking jobs away from Americans because they are willing to work like slaves at a discount.

Homegrown Americans in the tech industry are OVERWHELMINGLY white. This was an implicit statement saying "white Americans in tech are incompetent, we must import foreigners." Those foreigns just happen to mainly be compromised of people with the same ethnic background as him.

You are the mark being duped by a con man.

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I can read.

He DIDN'T say WHITE people, you just made that up.

Doesn't matter what the job market is...

I'm not even a fan of Vivek.

I just dislike liars more...

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Shhhh... he's extra special white.

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Ag with kids said:

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gbaby23 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Nice assumption, I went to schools with metal detectors at the entrance. Not a rich white enclave.

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Then you KNOW that the work ethic sucks in the US and it is NOT limited to WHITE people.

But, keep on with your distortion...

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Lol. I know it is not limited to white people, it is even worse for most non white people in America. I learned that quickly by being around them.

Like I said, we have enough homegrown talent even with the cultural issues. You are being duped by an Indian con man. He is telling you that America sucks so you should let him import all the foreigners he wants, which will mainly be Indians. Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

We can fix the culture without the foreigners. We can run our country without them too.

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Then, why did you lie when you said that Vivek said that about WHITE people?



FWIW, I have zero give a ****s about him. Or what his positions are.

I DO have give a ****s about people LYING about what was posted...

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Because I did not lie. You just cannot read.

He is talking specifically in response to the ongoing online debate about foreign immigrants, overwhelming indian, taking jobs away from Americans because they are willing to work like slaves at a discount.

Homegrown Americans in the tech industry are OVERWHELMINGLY white. This was an implicit statement saying "white Americans in tech are incompetent, we must import foreigners." Those foreigns just happen to mainly be compromised of people with the same ethnic background as him.

You are the mark being duped by a con man.

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I can read.

He DIDN'T say WHITE people, you just made that up.

Doesn't matter what the job market is...

I'm not even a fan of Vivek.

I just dislike liars more...

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Implicit, do you know what the word means?

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How do you feel about people who say “college is over rated ?” In order to have more homegrown engineers, don’t we need more kids going to college ? https://t.co/DO1ouuufy5

— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) December 26, 2024

Cuban enters the fight

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Why does Mark Cuban type like Dave Portnoy?

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agent-maroon said:

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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Sure...

Please make sure you list what country those came from...

Sadly that sounds very legit.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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Sure...

Please make sure you list what country those came from...

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Here are two big ones, if it is a white American organization, I am bound to qualify

Society of the Cincinnati
Order of the Founders and Patriots of America

My ancestors came from Britannia and founded the United States of America. Isn't that neat!

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gbaby23 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Nice assumption, I went to schools with metal detectors at the entrance. Not a rich white enclave.

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Then you KNOW that the work ethic sucks in the US and it is NOT limited to WHITE people.

But, keep on with your distortion...

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Lol. I know it is not limited to white people, it is even worse for most non white people in America. I learned that quickly by being around them.

Like I said, we have enough homegrown talent even with the cultural issues. You are being duped by an Indian con man. He is telling you that America sucks so you should let him import all the foreigners he wants, which will mainly be Indians. Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

We can fix the culture without the foreigners. We can run our country without them too.

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Then, why did you lie when you said that Vivek said that about WHITE people?



FWIW, I have zero give a ****s about him. Or what his positions are.

I DO have give a ****s about people LYING about what was posted...

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Because I did not lie. You just cannot read.

He is talking specifically in response to the ongoing online debate about foreign immigrants, overwhelming indian, taking jobs away from Americans because they are willing to work like slaves at a discount.

Homegrown Americans in the tech industry are OVERWHELMINGLY white. This was an implicit statement saying "white Americans in tech are incompetent, we must import foreigners." Those foreigns just happen to mainly be compromised of people with the same ethnic background as him.

You are the mark being duped by a con man.

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I can read.

He DIDN'T say WHITE people, you just made that up.

Doesn't matter what the job market is...

I'm not even a fan of Vivek.

I just dislike liars more...

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Implicit, do you know what the word means?

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Yes I do.

That's why I said you were racist earlier...

Apparently, you don't. And thanks for the compliment!

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agent-maroon said:

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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Sure...

Please make sure you list what country those came from...

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Here are two big ones, if it is a white American organization, I am bound to qualify

Society of the Cincinnati
Order of the Founders and Patriots of America

My ancestors came from Britannia and founded the United States of America. Isn't that neat!

Yippie! Want a cookie!

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Yippie! Want a cookie!

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Sure!

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Vivek? The guy who just tweeted that White Americans have a bad culture?

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 26, 2024

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What part of that tweet was inaccurate?

My kid who was valedictorian of her class was bullied and treated like dirt by her classmates from 1st grade on, while the kids who couldn't read but could qualify for state in athletics got parades.

My son was the snart guy who never got in trouble on the football team.. and was treated like dirt by his teammates and coaches. While the trouble makers who never made over 50 on a test had their grades changed to passing and were constantly bailed out of trouble they started to keep them eligible to play football.

And I also remember back to junior high when I got tired of getting my ass kicked every day for constantly having the highest grades… I started missing a few questions on tests on purpose, just so the teachers wouldn't congratulate me for working hard and earning the highest grades… and getting my ass kicked after class.

He is absolutely right that our cultural priorities are fubar.

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I was a jock who made straight A's, sorry this happened to you but blaming this on jocks, cheerleaders, and drill team is insane.

There is nothing at all wrong with our culture, the first men who went to the moon played football, were in the military, and were classic jocks.

Vivek clearly has no understanding of American culture at all.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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Sure...

Please make sure you list what country those came from...

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Here are two big ones, if it is a white American organization, I am bound to qualify

Order of the Cincinnati
Order of the Founders and Patriots of America

My ancestors came from the Britannia and founded the United States of America. Isn't that neat!

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Every SINGLE one of them? Not ONE single person in your lineage isn't British?

I mean, I can trace my grandfather's side back to before William the Conquerer.

My mom's side has a **** ton of English and Irish.

And then, my grandmother's side is 100% German.

Damn.

Looks like I'm not a pure blood...

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Vivek just exposed a massive rift between the Musk/Vivek "tech right" and the American nationalists.

We dont want any more Indians. We dont want any more third world immigration period. Hell, most of us don't want anyone from Norway or Hungary either. We have enough people. We need to convince Americans to get off their asses and make ween companies off the third world labor teat.

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But when Chad and Karen would rather live at home with mom and dad instead of getting the jobs the third world immigrants like Vivek are happily taking, what else can be done except to hire them? Wages have gone to and Chad and Karen still would rather stay home than work. How else do you convince them to work when it's obvious they don't want to.

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Jocks don't sit at home after school. I have never known any jock who did this. They all went on to be very successful. The people who stayed at home were those who did nothing in high school beyond school.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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What kind of pure blood American are you?

The rest of us are mutts...

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Would you like me to list all of the American hereditary organizations I qualify for?

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Sure...

Please make sure you list what country those came from...

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Here are two big ones, if it is a white American organization, I am bound to qualify

Order of the Cincinnati
Order of the Founders and Patriots of America

My ancestors came from the Britannia and founded the United States of America. Isn't that neat!

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Every SINGLE one of them? Not ONE single person in your lineage isn't British?

I mean, I can trace my grandfather's side back to before William the Conquerer.

My mom's side has a **** ton of English and Irish.

And then, my grandmother's side is 100% German.

Damn.

Looks like I'm not a pure blood...

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Well it depends if you consider the Plantagenets British

German blood? Now, I understand it. You descend from the 48ers

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If the beta boys are upset, then it must be good for the country.

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All of the criticism is coming from the right. This is why Musk and Vivek are scrambling. The entirety of the core of MAGA is crushing them for this on X.

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Yes, he is lying in saying that there is not enough homegrown talent in America.

There are hardworking and talented Americans laid off every day who are better suited for their jobs than their foreign replacements, but the foreigners are cheaper.

He wants cheap foreign immigrants from his homeland so he can increase his own influence in America. He is making excuses for why he wants to import labor because he won't admit he favors Indians like himself.

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You sound pretty racist...

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This is why I don't trust anyone who supports H1-B. I assume the primary reason they support is because they either want to import cheap labor or because they want to import more of their ethnic cohorts.

So I am curious ...

Your didn't post once during the election. You didn't post once from 10/4-12/20. And then you post 75+ times today?

Am I seeing that right?

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So I am curious ...

Your didn't post once during the election. You didn't post once from 10/4-12/20. And then you post 75+ times today?

Am I seeing that right?

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Yes, I prefer X. I still pop in from time to time, but the discussion here is pretty underwhelming for the most part.

Yep, There are 3-4 voices that are 80%+ of the posts on this. .