Indeed. And with how often that bill was being tweaked and tinkered with, new versions every few days. Proud of the Boomers' dedication in that respect.Quote:
And quite a few reams of paper.
Johnson passing an omnibus claiming it's a CR
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BoydCrowder13 said:Logos Stick said:Teslag said:
Johnson won't have to cave. Trump doesn't want the CR so Johnson will drop it and change it.
But he did want it originally?! Ok then.
Who is to say he didn't? Johnson is a patsy. Send him out with an idea, see how many people like or hate it and then come out with your view. Especially on stuff like this.
This guy gets it
rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
Then shut the government down until they do pass a clean CR.
Dan Scott said:
What does a shutdown mean for inauguration activities. Trump won't want a small party. Is this why tech guys are donating so much to for it?
Side note, I am absolutely loving the discomfort a Trump victory has brought on posters like these.
These next four years (and beyond) will be fun.
I haven't taken my Trump flag down since the race was called.
MarkTwain said:jrdaustin said:Personally, I'm ok with a pay raise to Congress....BoydCrowder13 said:
While it is so sketchy to throw it in these massive bills, Congress hasn't received a raise in 15 years. I'll give them a pass. Indexed to inflation, they hasn't been paid less since WWII.
Underpaying Congress just allows the bad actors to rationalize the corrupt behavior ("well I'm not paid much so I deserve this")
If it's presented transparently in a clean bill. Don't bury it in an Omnibus pork extravaganza disguised as a continuing CR.
The CR should be simple and clean, getting us to a new Congress where a full budget is proposed and debated.
It's time this BS stops. I emailed Michael McCaul telling him to vote NO and BE VOCAL about his opposition. I also reminded him I will be watching this vote. Keep the pressure on, folks.
Why does congress need a raise? Every damn one of them go in middle class and come out rich.
Screw them and their raise
Because you can't live in dc on their current salary. You are guaranteeing that the minute they take office, they must rely on donors and gifts to live.
The fact that most politicians are corrupt is irrelevant.
Beat me to it. SHUT IT DOWN.Logos Stick said:rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
Then shut the government down until they do pass a clean CR.
Yes they can live in DC on the current salary.Farmer_J said:MarkTwain said:jrdaustin said:Personally, I'm ok with a pay raise to Congress....BoydCrowder13 said:
While it is so sketchy to throw it in these massive bills, Congress hasn't received a raise in 15 years. I'll give them a pass. Indexed to inflation, they hasn't been paid less since WWII.
Underpaying Congress just allows the bad actors to rationalize the corrupt behavior ("well I'm not paid much so I deserve this")
If it's presented transparently in a clean bill. Don't bury it in an Omnibus pork extravaganza disguised as a continuing CR.
The CR should be simple and clean, getting us to a new Congress where a full budget is proposed and debated.
It's time this BS stops. I emailed Michael McCaul telling him to vote NO and BE VOCAL about his opposition. I also reminded him I will be watching this vote. Keep the pressure on, folks.
Why does congress need a raise? Every damn one of them go in middle class and come out rich.
Screw them and their raise
Because you can't live in dc on their current salary. You are guaranteeing that the minute they take office, they must rely on donors and gifts to live.
The fact that most politicians are corrupt is irrelevant.
You just assume our political leaders are our masters and need to live like it rather than be our servants and be humbled by their time in office.
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That's exactly what I thought was supposed to happen before now. And as a standalone bill with a roll call vote, would be fine with me.jrdaustin said:Personally, I'm ok with a pay raise to Congress....BoydCrowder13 said:
While it is so sketchy to throw it in these massive bills, Congress hasn't received a raise in 15 years. I'll give them a pass. Indexed to inflation, they hasn't been paid less since WWII.
Underpaying Congress just allows the bad actors to rationalize the corrupt behavior ("well I'm not paid much so I deserve this")
If it's presented transparently in a clean bill. Don't bury it in an Omnibus pork extravaganza disguised as a continuing CR.
The CR should be simple and clean, getting us to a new Congress where a full budget is proposed and debated.
It's time this BS stops. I emailed Michael McCaul telling him to vote NO and BE VOCAL about his opposition. I also reminded him I will be watching this vote. Keep the pressure on, folks.
However, the same should also apply when they exempt themselves from a law they pass. Standalone on the exemption after universal coverage within the first act of legislation. Again, roll call vote so we have transparency.
They love using the threat of shutting down the government which in reality never happens. Only thing that actually gets their attention is their paychecks and they never get cut off.
It's all about how much pork they can attach to the bill
It's all about how much pork they can attach to the bill
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
It's simple. You tell the Dems "this is the new CR bill, you don't vote for it and it doesn't pass YOU will be to blame, not us." Your legacy media can't save you anymore.
Furthermore, once the government IS shut down and the American people realize that the only thing they're missing is visiting National Parks it will make DOGE's job 1000X easier as the sob stories will hold ZERO weight.
Furthermore, once the government IS shut down and the American people realize that the only thing they're missing is visiting National Parks it will make DOGE's job 1000X easier as the sob stories will hold ZERO weight.
Called his office for you. They don't have a public stance. What they say is "I haven't talked to the Congressman/woman on the subject yet." Just means they don't know or don't want to say publicly yet.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
Does anyone know where Tony Gonzalez stands on this bill? I've looked on his site and his x account, but haven't seen anything.
I registered an opinion on your behalf. You're welcome.
Right. So if a clean CR fails, it will be the Dems doing.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
No amount of spin by the discredited MSM will change that fact. They've gone to the well too many times, and people are on to the game.
It ends today.
Far past time we start playing 1) to win and 2) by the Dem rules. For too long we've played fair and they've returned with guerilla warfare.jrdaustin said:Right. So if a clean CR fails, it will be the Dems doing.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
No amount of spin by the discredited MSM will change that fact.
New Sheriff's in town boys! And there's a big ol' mess that needs cleaning up.
Blue parachute for you.Quote:
Far past time we start playing 1) to win and 2) by the Dem rules. For too long we've played fair and they've returned with guerilla warfare.
New Sheriff's in town boys! And there's a big ol' mess that needs cleaning up.
jrdaustin said:Right. So if a clean CR fails, it will be the Dems doing.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
No amount of spin by the discredited MSM will change that fact.
You think most people will believe it's Dems fault if Republicans could not get all their House members, minus a few, to vote for and pass a clean CR bill?
They make $174K. That's a little more than 3x the median salary. They receive allowance for travel, office, and staff. It should be a privilege to serve and sacrifice for country, not a full-time job
Farmer_J said:MarkTwain said:jrdaustin said:Personally, I'm ok with a pay raise to Congress....BoydCrowder13 said:
While it is so sketchy to throw it in these massive bills, Congress hasn't received a raise in 15 years. I'll give them a pass. Indexed to inflation, they hasn't been paid less since WWII.
Underpaying Congress just allows the bad actors to rationalize the corrupt behavior ("well I'm not paid much so I deserve this")
If it's presented transparently in a clean bill. Don't bury it in an Omnibus pork extravaganza disguised as a continuing CR.
The CR should be simple and clean, getting us to a new Congress where a full budget is proposed and debated.
It's time this BS stops. I emailed Michael McCaul telling him to vote NO and BE VOCAL about his opposition. I also reminded him I will be watching this vote. Keep the pressure on, folks.
Why does congress need a raise? Every damn one of them go in middle class and come out rich.
Screw them and their raise
Because you can't live in dc on their current salary. You are guaranteeing that the minute they take office, they must rely on donors and gifts to live.
The fact that most politicians are corrupt is irrelevant.
BS you have no clue what you're talking about.
Their salaries have so many allowances and compensation cutouts for expenses.
They take gifts and kickbacks because they're crooks not because they're starving
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
aezmvp said:Called his office for you. They don't have a public stance. What they say is "I haven't talked to the Congressman/woman on the subject yet." Just means they don't know or don't want to say publicly yet.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
Does anyone know where Tony Gonzalez stands on this bill? I've looked on his site and his x account, but haven't seen anything.
I registered an opinion on your behalf. You're welcome.
Well, I'll shoot him an email. I just asked if anyone knew because if he was already against it, there was no reason for me to email him.
Team effort.
New Congress seats before Jan 20. Plenty of time to do whatever is needed then.Dan Scott said:
What does a shutdown mean for inauguration activities. Trump won't want a small party. Is this why tech guys are donating so much to for it?
rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:Right. So if a clean CR fails, it will be the Dems doing.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:This is where we disagree. I still believe in the power of the people. We're seeing it right now. I predict we'll see this pork-fest pulled in favor of a clean CR.rgvag11 said:jrdaustin said:And your point? The CR discussed in your video passed prior to the election because Dems thought they would win and be able to fully open the cookie jar right about now.rgvag11 said:
This again
They didn't win. Republicans did. And Johnson is trying to open the cookie jar anyway. He needs to grow a pair, and do the same small extension. Then REALLY bring out the knives to the budget in the new year.
THIS is what he, Trump, and Republicans in the House and Senate were elected to do.
The point was obvious.
How many times will this story repeat before you realize how it always ends?
I am tired of the "how it always ends" excuse. (The seven deadly words). And yet, in the grand scheme of things, massive Omnibus bills masquerading as CRs is a relatively new phenomenom.
Join us and be vocal in demanding a return to true accountability, if you haven't completely given in to your DC overlords...
Let's be realistic.
Johnson does not have the votes for a clean CR, as he has said. He has a 3 seat majority.
The next Speaker will have a 2 seat majority next session.
No amount of spin by the discredited MSM will change that fact.
You think most people will believe it's Dems fault if Republicans could not get all their House members, minus a few, to vote for and pass a clean CR bill?
I see you're still living in the world where legacy media has any sway. They don't. It's a new world in case the election didn't wake you up to that reality.
I am glad to see that it seems like the TX delegation has by far the most public no votes. So far. I'm pretty sure FL will start on that path. DeSantis is now whipping votes against it and has some public statements. Wouldn't be surprised to see this go down in flames.
There will probably be a 3 part piece of legislation: CR, Farm and Disaster relief. That's still probably too much but it will be 100x better than this CR.
There will probably be a 3 part piece of legislation: CR, Farm and Disaster relief. That's still probably too much but it will be 100x better than this CR.
Pretty sure the democrats aren't going to object to a shutdown and protracted speaker fight eating up the first month or more of the new administration
MarkTwain said:Farmer_J said:MarkTwain said:jrdaustin said:Personally, I'm ok with a pay raise to Congress....BoydCrowder13 said:
While it is so sketchy to throw it in these massive bills, Congress hasn't received a raise in 15 years. I'll give them a pass. Indexed to inflation, they hasn't been paid less since WWII.
Underpaying Congress just allows the bad actors to rationalize the corrupt behavior ("well I'm not paid much so I deserve this")
If it's presented transparently in a clean bill. Don't bury it in an Omnibus pork extravaganza disguised as a continuing CR.
The CR should be simple and clean, getting us to a new Congress where a full budget is proposed and debated.
It's time this BS stops. I emailed Michael McCaul telling him to vote NO and BE VOCAL about his opposition. I also reminded him I will be watching this vote. Keep the pressure on, folks.
Why does congress need a raise? Every damn one of them go in middle class and come out rich.
Screw them and their raise
Because you can't live in dc on their current salary. You are guaranteeing that the minute they take office, they must rely on donors and gifts to live.
The fact that most politicians are corrupt is irrelevant.
BS you have no clue what you're talking about.
Their salaries have so many allowances and compensation cutouts for expenses.
They take gifts and kickbacks because they're crooks not because they're starving
Yeah, they're barely scraping by.
https://ballotpedia.org/Changes_in_Net_Worth_of_U.S._Senators_and_Representatives_(Personal_Gain_Index)
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Because the study focuses on percentage increases, a gap in the study it is difficult to determine a meaningful percentage for a member who had a starting net worth in the negatives but increased to a positive net worth by 2012. However, there were substantial increases in wealth of the members who fell into this category. For the 49 members who went from a negative net worth to a positive net worth, the average increase was $3.4 million per member.
A statement from President Donald J. Trump and Vice President-Elect JD Vance:
— JD Vance (@JDVance) December 18, 2024
The most foolish and inept thing ever done by Congressional Republicans was allowing our country to hit the debt ceiling in 2025. It was a mistake and is now something that must be addressed.…
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
The rest:
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Meanwhile, Congress is considering a spending bill that would give sweetheart provisions for government censors and for Liz Cheney. The bill would make it easier to hide the records of the corrupt January 6 committeewhich accomplished nothing for the American people and hid security failures that happened that day. This bill would also give Congress a pay increase while many Americans are struggling this Christmas.
Increasing the debt ceiling is not great but we'd rather do it on Biden's watch. If Democrats won't cooperate on the debt ceiling now, what makes anyone think they would do it in June during our administration? Let's have this debate now. And we should pass a streamlined spending bill that doesn't give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats everything they want.
Republicans want to support our farmers, pay for disaster relief, and set our country up for success in 2025. The only way to do that is with a temporary funding bill WITHOUT DEMOCRAT GIVEAWAYS combined with an increase in the debt ceiling. Anything else is a betrayal of our country.
Republicans must GET SMART and TOUGH. If Democrats threaten to shut down the government unless we give them everything they want, then CALL THEIR BLUFF. It is Schumer and Biden who are holding up aid to our farmers and disaster relief.
THIS CHAOS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IF WE HAD A REAL PRESIDENT. WE WILL IN 32 DAYS!
Per Punchbowl:
No vote today.
Edit:
No vote today.
Edit:
🚨WE DID IT - THE OMNIBUS BILL IS DEAD
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) December 18, 2024
Insiders now only expect a clean CR
THIS is how you DOGE🔥 https://t.co/PL7KIkRTrL
Strongly disagree with you there Vance.aggiehawg said:
The rest:Quote:
Meanwhile, Congress is considering a spending bill that would give sweetheart provisions for government censors and for Liz Cheney. The bill would make it easier to hide the records of the corrupt January 6 committeewhich accomplished nothing for the American people and hid security failures that happened that day. This bill would also give Congress a pay increase while many Americans are struggling this Christmas.
Increasing the debt ceiling is not great but we'd rather do it on Biden's watch. If Democrats won't cooperate on the debt ceiling now, what makes anyone think they would do it in June during our administration? Let's have this debate now. And we should pass a streamlined spending bill that doesn't give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats everything they want.
Republicans want to support our farmers, pay for disaster relief, and set our country up for success in 2025. The only way to do that is with a temporary funding bill WITHOUT DEMOCRAT GIVEAWAYS combined with an increase in the debt ceiling. Anything else is a betrayal of our country.
Republicans must GET SMART and TOUGH. If Democrats threaten to shut down the government unless we give them everything they want, then CALL THEIR BLUFF. It is Schumer and Biden who are holding up aid to our farmers and disaster relief.
THIS CHAOS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IF WE HAD A REAL PRESIDENT. WE WILL IN 32 DAYS!
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Wildcard is the stock market action today. The Fed slowed their forecast for cuts. We were due for correction but it's going to be harder for Trump to implement what he wants if the market has a 10% correction to start his administration. Post Trump election rally almost wiped out today.
The new Congress starts January 3rd and looks like it will be in a standstill trying to figure out who will be speaker.
Johnson hasn't done one thing as speaker to advance the conservative agenda.
Unless @DOGE ends the careers of deceitful, pork-barrel politicians, the waste and corruption will never stop.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2024
Therefore, there is no choice but to do so.
I wish there was another way, but there is not.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Hoping that was just bad punctuation/grammar.
I read that "please increase the debt ceiling but under the other guys so we can continue to spend uninterrupted and not get blamed for it"
45-70Ag said:
The new Congress starts January 3rd and looks like it will be in a standstill trying to figure out who will be speaker.
It won't be Johnson imo. He's completely embarrassed himself.