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eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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Gee, I dunno.... how about the most obvious example... Oswald. Kooky. Alphabet agency connections. Spent time in Russia meddling in foreign policy. Expendable. Fall Guy.

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Never seen this before at all

Democrats will pull all stops to prevent Donald Trump from returning to the White House. They are a threat to the democracy they claim that Republicans are a danger to.

I saw it once, pretty good movie if you have a couple of hours to burn.

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Democrats will pull all stops to prevent Donald Trump from returning to the White House. They are a threat to the democracy they claim that Republicans are a danger to.

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Yep. Once again proving the statement that Democrats are doing what they accuse Republicans of doing.

Bocephus said:

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eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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If he was making $3000 a week, then he was being financed by someone. For all we know it could be our tax dollars going to him to recruit fighters to Ukraine. Even though he was kicked out of there, I do not trust the government to be efficient enough to shut off the spigot.

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What kind of idiot would give him $3,000 a week to do something that he wasn't remotely qualified to do?

whatthehey78 said:

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eric76 said:

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Bondag said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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All of his political donations show unemployed. So he had no job or he lied when filling out donation forms. That is illegal.

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Are people who commit tax fraud likely to fill out donation forms?

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Ask your bud, Hunter.

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He must be your bud, not mine.

I did know a Hunter, but the one I knew was a former Marine and tough as nails. He passed away from Covid in 2020.

eric76 said:

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Bocephus said:

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eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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If he was making $3000 a week, then he was being financed by someone. For all we know it could be our tax dollars going to him to recruit fighters to Ukraine. Even though he was kicked out of there, I do not trust the government to be efficient enough to shut off the spigot.

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What kind of idiot would give him $3,000 a week to do something that he wasn't remotely qualified to do?

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Have you taken a look at who the presidential candidate with a "D" next to her name is?

#BREAKING: Gov. Ron DeSantis says federal government won't cooperate with Florida investigation into 2nd Trump assassination attempt

"No, they are not being cooperative, and yes, I am concerned [...] Our investigators were rebuffed just going to the fence line outside of Trump… pic.twitter.com/MpKf04VA1d

— Florida’s Voice (@FLVoiceNews) September 19, 2024

eric76 said:

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whatthehey78 said:

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eric76 said:

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Bondag said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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eric76 said:

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mjschiller said:

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Bobdag - you may be partially correct. But, how would Soros learn of him to finance Rout? Could someone in our government connect the two?

Eric76 - someone financed Routh. Routh had no source of income but he was flying all over the world. If Ukraine financed him, who connected the two initially? Some one in our government?

Do the marxists in our government, media, former politicians want Trump dead? They all have said as much.

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He reported income of $3,000 per week and had no savings.

And the Ukraine told him that because of his age and total lack of military experience, he was not what they needed. Why would the Ukraine have paid his transportation: Why would anyone pay to have him fly over?

Of course, conspiracy theorists don't need any facts since they just assume whatever facts they need to support their beliefs and feelings.

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Once again, you are completely missing the point. He wasn't fit to fight, but he was recruiting mercenaries to fight and someone had to help him get that close to Zelensky. You talk about people with no evidence, but you prove time and again your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to any possibility that there are those who will do absolutely anything to keep him out of the WH. You would accept a fact if it slapped you in the face.

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This has nothing to do with my opinion of Trump and my opinion that he is not fit to be President.

Routh is nothing but a kook. It is hard to imagine any rational or sem-rational person financing anything for him.

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It has everything to do with that Eric! You prove it time and again. Tell me, how'd just some ordinary kook get the connections and globe trot like he did? Who set him up with his connections and got him an audience with Zelensky?

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At the bail hearing, he showed that he had some income but no savings. I have no idea where it came from. It might easily have been from some criminal activity.

But you talk about facts. So what facts are there to show that he had no income? What facts are there that show someone paying his way over seas?

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All of his political donations show unemployed. So he had no job or he lied when filling out donation forms. That is illegal.

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Are people who commit tax fraud likely to fill out donation forms?

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Ask your bud, Hunter.

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He must be your bud, not mine.

I did know a Hunter, but the one I knew was a former Marine and tough as nails. He passed away from Covid in 2020.

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You continually show you don't know how this works.

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Bocephus said:

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eric76 said:

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1836er said:

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This guy may just be a lone crazy person who did all of this by himself with no help, coordination, or financing from anyone else.

On the other hand, his personality profile and life circumstances fit the profile of the kind of person the spooks (or other bad actors) will groom (and if necessary nudge) to commit these kinds of acts.

To dismiss the latter as a legitimate possibility prior to a thorough, honest, and transparent investigation, carried out by responsible authorities WITHOUT a conflict a of interests, is intellectually dishonest.

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Are you really saying that it is likely that he was approached to assassinate Trump in spite of having no "qualifications" that would indicate that he could possibly pull it off?

At the very least, can you point to any assassination attempt at which a kook like that was chosen by others and financed to attempt the assassination? Even just one?

I am open to actual proof. I am sure that by now they have a great deal of detail of his banking information, his travels, and his internet history. In the unlikely event that some twit was stupid enough to pay him to do it, that will come out.

What I will not do is assume the least likely explanation is somehow magically true.

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If he was making $3000 a week, then he was being financed by someone. For all we know it could be our tax dollars going to him to recruit fighters to Ukraine. Even though he was kicked out of there, I do not trust the government to be efficient enough to shut off the spigot.

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What kind of idiot would give him $3,000 a week to do something that he wasn't remotely qualified to do?

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He may be stupid af in the head but lucky.

Income could be from a trust or investments. You know something like an inheritance.

When I was practicing in Baton Rouge, Barry Seal's brother was my client & friend; his name was Wendell Seal.

FWIW, he NEVER (wink, wink) told me haunting stories that implicated Bill Clinton, Hillary, George & Jeb Bush, their dad, and many, many others; so Hilary, if you're reading this, I hope I don't die under mysterious circumstances.

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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When I was practicing in Baton Rouge, Barry Seal's brother was my client & friend; his name was Wendell Seal.

FWIW, he NEVER (wink, wink) told me haunting stories that implicated Bill Clinton, Hillary, George & Jeb Bush, their dad, and many, many others; so Hilary, if you're reading this, I hope I don't die under mysterious circumstances.

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That can't be right. I was told that movie was pure fiction

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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When I was practicing in Baton Rouge, Barry Seal's brother was my client & friend; his name was Wendell Seal.

FWIW, he NEVER (wink, wink) told me haunting stories that implicated Bill Clinton, Hillary, George & Jeb Bush, their dad, and many, many others; so Hilary, if you're reading this, I hope I don't die under mysterious circumstances.

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I'm its slimier than anything I could imagine.

NEW: This is from DOJ memo seeking pretrial detention for Ryan Routh.

It appears Routh was in West Palm Beach area and near both the golf course and Mar a Lago several times a month before the attempted assassination (h/t @KFaulders) pic.twitter.com/nYzZkw5hk9

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) September 23, 2024

Routh clearly was an insane stalker but also poisoned by Biden/Democrat/RINO/media fixation on Ukraine and the notion anyone who wants to suspend funding Zelensky is a Putin operative.

And who are the names and phone numbers "pertaining to Ukraine?" pic.twitter.com/94Z2CaGuwo

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) September 23, 2024

So the letter was written months ago and stated that the assassination attempt was a failure. Weird.

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So the letter was written months ago and stated that the assassination attempt was a failure. Weird.

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He wrote the letter in advance to be opened in the event that his assassination attempt failed. It's pretty simple.

The letter does show that Routh is certifiably crazy because he implies that he would somehow be able to pay someone to assassinate Trump after he failed i.e. after he was dead or arrested.

Well this old beat up Norinco SKS doesn't look like it was capable of any distance accuracy. The mounting of those optics is even marginal at best.

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So the letter was written months ago and stated that the assassination attempt was a failure. Weird.

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He wrote the letter in advance to be opened in the event that his assassination attempt failed. It's pretty simple.

The letter does show that Routh is certifiably crazy because he implies that he would somehow be able to pay someone to assassinate Trump after he failed i.e. after he was dead or arrested.

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Well I'm sure he thought his CIA handler could pony up the money. They were already paying for his travel and living expenses.

Is that rubberbands or electric tape he mounted that scope with?

Okay part of me says if he did that then he is no government operative but the other part of me hears the Feds saying: Agent 1: "How can we make our asset look more like a loon?" Agent 2: "I know, take his scope off the mount and duct tape it to the rifle." Agent 1: "Brilliant!"

What in the literal hell is the DoJ doing posting a letter with basically a bounty for Trump in unredacted format on a publicly available federal court docket?

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What in the literal hell is the DoJ doing posting a letter with basically a bounty for Trump in unredacted format on a publicly available federal court docket?

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Because it was entered into evidence in a public court filing. It could have been filed under seal however the DOJ chose not to.

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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What in the literal hell is the DoJ doing posting a letter with basically a bounty for Trump in unredacted format on a publicly available federal court docket?

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Because it was entered into evidence in a public court filing. It could have been filed under seal however the DOJ chose not to.

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it isn't in evidence. It's an exhibit attached to a pleading. And attaching it in redacted like that was beyond reckless if you ask me.

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Is that rubberbands or electric tape he mounted that scope with?

Okay part of me says if he did that then he is no government operative but the other part of me hears the Feds saying: Agent 1: "How can we make our asset look more like a loon?" Agent 2: "I know, take his scope off the mount and duct tape it to the rifle." Agent 1: "Brilliant!"

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It is hard to imagine anyone considering the kook to be an asset of any kind.

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So the letter was written months ago and stated that the assassination attempt was a failure. Weird.

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More than weird...SUSPICIOUS in fact. Have to question when it was written and why. IMHO, it lends more to the idea the whole supposed 2nd assassin attempt was a SS ploy to divert attention away from the Butler, PA SS failure, i.e., "See...we're on top of the recent failures and are now proactive and reliable." lol

Why else would the suspect admit failure in advance???????????????

Unless of course...it was pre-planned.

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Is that rubberbands or electric tape he mounted that scope with?

Okay part of me says if he did that then he is no government operative but the other part of me hears the Feds saying: Agent 1: "How can we make our asset look more like a loon?" Agent 2: "I know, take his scope off the mount and duct tape it to the rifle." Agent 1: "Brilliant!"

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It is hard to imagine anyone considering the kook to be an asset of any kind.

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Which is just the way the CIA seems to like them based on their past efforts...

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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What in the literal hell is the DoJ doing posting a letter with basically a bounty for Trump in unredacted format on a publicly available federal court docket?

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Because it was entered into evidence in a public court filing. It could have been filed under seal however the DOJ chose not to.

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it isn't in evidence. It's an exhibit attached to a pleading. And attaching it in redacted like that was beyond reckless if you ask me.

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In court, an exhibit is a document, photograph, or other physical evidence that is presented as evidence during a trial. Exhibits are used to help prove a case and can include animations or other devices. An exhibit is in fact evidence once it's entered into record. You can call it what you want but it's evidence.

And as I said it could have been filed under seal but the prosecution chose not to.

Defense exhibit 1 is interesting

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BQ78 said:

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Is that rubberbands or electric tape he mounted that scope with?

Okay part of me says if he did that then he is no government operative but the other part of me hears the Feds saying: Agent 1: "How can we make our asset look more like a loon?" Agent 2: "I know, take his scope off the mount and duct tape it to the rifle." Agent 1: "Brilliant!"

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It is hard to imagine anyone considering the kook to be an asset of any kind.

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You lack the imagination needed to employ revolutionaries. The leaders of revolutions don't want to have drinks and ideological discussions with their true-believer recruits. They want them to strap on a bomb vest and blow themselves up or, more commonly in the western world, to die in the act of using a rifle to assassinate the target. Routh is exactly that type of guy and very useful to the puppet masters.

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Well this old beat up Norinco SKS doesn't look like it was capable of any distance accuracy. The mounting of those optics is even marginal at best.

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As someone who has seen a lot of POS guns, that is a POS. Looks like a DIY sniper kit.

🚨BREAKING: The son of President Trump’s attempted assassin was just arrested for child pornography pic.twitter.com/zfOHaZTxhG

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) September 24, 2024

His user name checks out.

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Well this old beat up Norinco SKS doesn't look like it was capable of any distance accuracy. The mounting of those optics is even marginal at best.

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Did he mount the optics with electrical tape?