Botox has been used cosmetically since the 80's.

Not wanting a brand new, rushed into emergency use vaccine for a pretty mild illness for most people and getting Botox have pretty much nothing to do with each other except a needle

Ozympic is terrible for your gut from studies I've seen. Gut health is way more important than most people think and affects you in a big way mentally/physically. It's not a race. Eat healthy and exercise and do it the right way.

Stop feeding big pharma.

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Worried about Covid Vaccine, but not about injecting a botulinum toxin into your head.

If I really need to explain further, I'm afraid I can't.

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The fact that you think this is analogous is wild. And I've never been nor will be a user of Botox.

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This drug may save our health care system.

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See the column I posted earlier. Using this drug to treat type 2 diabetes is cost effective. Using it to "treat" obesity is unsustainable at the current price. It will cause skyrocketing premiums if insurance companies are forced to cover it for weight loss. Pharmacy costs are fast becoming the most expensive component of our healthcare system.

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There will eventually be a generic version

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And there'll eventually be less restrictions for who can get a prescription for it. Then there'll be people lining up to see their doctor for a prescription.

For the health industry and Big Pharma, it'll be like Christmas every day.

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Fewer

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Glad to see that you passed my test.

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My worst nightmare. I've quit with most overhead lifts and benching (40 here). It's awful, you hit a certain age and all those ligaments and tendons turn into old rubber bands.

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Yeah, overhead stuff is not remotely in my regime anymore nor is bench. Simply not worth it. I'll do pushups and some light cable press and flys but that's about it. My chest sucks right now. Maddening because I went from close to athlete level body fat and physique to middle aged man bod pretty rapidly because of this crap.

Once you get a frozen shoulder it completely changes your focus and outlook on how you exercise. And I've had both of them go through it!!

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Face pulls are your best friend for shoulder issues. Nothing comes close to them. They invoke full range of motion for the shoulder with rotation. I do these every day I do upper body. They got rid of all shoulder pain I had. At 41 I have no issues anymore and can lift heavy just fine.

Here is a video of the proper form.

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+ 1 here for face pulls. I do them every time I'm at the gym. The combination of face pulls and I's, Y's, and T's have my shoulders in the best shape they've ever been, and have probably staved off another shoulder surgery for me.

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Ozympic is terrible for your gut from studies I've seen. Gut health is way more important than most people think and affects you in a big way mentally/physically. It's not a race. Eat healthy and exercise and do it the right way.

Stop feeding big pharma.

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Ozempic used as prescribed is fine for most people. Not everyone who uses it suffers from GI issues. Remember it's been approved for long term use for many years now.

Don't they make this drug in EU and don't allow it to be sold to their public?

No. It's available in Europe just like it is here. Some countries did decide to limit its use for weight loss because it was becoming hard to find for diabetics.

And of course South Park is ready!

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And of course South Park is ready!

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Respeck mah Wegovy!

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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This drug may save our health care system.

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See the column I posted earlier. Using this drug to treat type 2 diabetes is cost effective. Using it to "treat" obesity is unsustainable at the current price. It will cause skyrocketing premiums if insurance companies are forced to cover it for weight loss. Pharmacy costs are fast becoming the most expensive component of our healthcare system.

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There are many in development and also, drugs go generic

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This drug may save our health care system.

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See the column I posted earlier. Using this drug to treat type 2 diabetes is cost effective. Using it to "treat" obesity is unsustainable at the current price. It will cause skyrocketing premiums if insurance companies are forced to cover it for weight loss. Pharmacy costs are fast becoming the most expensive component of our healthcare system.

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There are many in development and also, drugs go generic

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This. It's very easy to get compounded semaglutide or tirzepatide at your local men's clinic for an affordable price. The place I go to for TRT offers it and a ton of other stuff like peptides.

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And of course South Park is ready!

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The ratings for that show will be off the charts. Lol

Since I am not lol fat and lazy so I don't know much about this.

If someone is taking it and not working out wouldn't they lose muscle? Aren't they afraid of being skinny fat? (Look skinny but still have a high body fat percentage). What about visceral fat?

Yes.

Well that helps

Yes, they sort of starve but don't mind it due to the drug making eating less enjoyable or desirable, however it works. If they don't still modify their diets, most of them lose the proportion of whatever relatively little good food components they were already eating, leading to a general loss in bone density and muscle mass Longer term. For those that are obese, the health gains are generally worth the losses but as they approach a. More normal weight, if they don't modify behaviors, alter their diets to take in more protein and necessary vitamins and minerals, and develop a fitness routine that demands some muscle development and bone strength retention and wean off the drug, they will become a weaker, lighter "skinny fat" with a different set of health issues, almost sort of like a premature aging I imagine.

More from the files of Who Woulda Guessed?

Users of these drugs experiencing sexual dysfunction.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13456105/Scott-Disick-Ozempic-embarrassing-sexual-effect.html

Drug companies: don't worry, we have a pill for that! Now, that drug also caused side effects but be have drugs for that too.

Not surprised. They are completely jacking up their diet. More than likely are sustaining higher levels of calorie deficiency so they have lower amounts of energy. Also I would wander if they are using something else to cope for emotional stress (ie replacing food with something else like porn).

Already a pill for that.

Guessing most of these fat ****s weren't getting laid anyway

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I don't take any medicines. I don't even get flu shots. And I am fine.
Maybe at some point I will but I don't now. It is all a scam to keep money flowing.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I often feel like I am. I fully realize that some drugs are evidently helpful to people in specific situations or at least not harmful, but I'm 56, I've never spent the night in a hospital in my life, I'm in pretty good shape (at least for my age), and literally the only thing I ever take is an aspirin or Tylenol MAYBE once every year or two if I have a really bad headache. I don't even take vitamins. I take nothing. I'm fine. Obviously better than most.

Meanwhile, seemingly everyone I know at virtually every age is eating a handful of pills or taking shots constantly. Treatments for this or that, painkillers, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, weight control pills, birth control, ED drugs, medical marijuana, blood pressure medicine, and about 20 others. Plus some illegal stuff for some, I'm sure.

Life is more comfortable than ever but people "can't get through the day" without being drugged. And therapy. F'ing everyone is "in counseling" or has a therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist/life coach to "make it through the day".

I'm not scared of it, it's not a religious or political thing, I just have no interest or need. It all boggles my mind to see all of society behaving like lab rats or trained monkeys. No one can function any more unless they're "stimulated" in some way. All I know is I want no part of it.

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infinity ag said:

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I don't take any medicines. I don't even get flu shots. And I am fine.
Maybe at some point I will but I don't now. It is all a scam to keep money flowing.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I often feel like I am. I fully realize that some drugs are evidently helpful to people in specific situations or at least not harmful, but I'm 56, I've never spent the night in a hospital in my life, I'm in pretty good shape (at least for my age), and literally the only thing I ever take is an aspirin or Tylenol MAYBE once every year or two if I have a really bad headache. I don't even take vitamins. I take nothing. I'm fine. Obviously better than most.

Meanwhile, seemingly everyone I know at virtually every age is eating a handful of pills or taking shots constantly. Treatments for this or that, painkillers, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, weight control pills, birth control, ED drugs, medical marijuana, blood pressure medicine, and about 20 others. Plus some illegal stuff for some, I'm sure.

Life is more comfortable than ever but people "can't get through the day" without being drugged. And therapy. F'ing everyone is "in counseling" or has a therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist/life coach to "make it through the day".

I'm not scared of it, it's not a religious or political thing, I just have no interest or need. It all boggles my mind to see all of society behaving like lab rats or trained monkeys. No one can function any more unless they're "stimulated" in some way. All I know is I want no part of it.

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That's all great and good until your check engine light comes on sometime around or after your mid 30s. I have a great diet and was on zero meds until 33 when I developed a chronic disease that runs in my family. I now have a pill caddy and a little different life style. Life comes at ya fast

No clue but if you've been severely obese for a decade does it matter? You have to do something. The problem for a lot of people is at a certain weight / age it is difficult to exercise at all. At least getting to a healthy weight gives you a chance to develop better habits.

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Joes said:

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infinity ag said:

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I don't take any medicines. I don't even get flu shots. And I am fine.
Maybe at some point I will but I don't now. It is all a scam to keep money flowing.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I often feel like I am. I fully realize that some drugs are evidently helpful to people in specific situations or at least not harmful, but I'm 56, I've never spent the night in a hospital in my life, I'm in pretty good shape (at least for my age), and literally the only thing I ever take is an aspirin or Tylenol MAYBE once every year or two if I have a really bad headache. I don't even take vitamins. I take nothing. I'm fine. Obviously better than most.

Meanwhile, seemingly everyone I know at virtually every age is eating a handful of pills or taking shots constantly. Treatments for this or that, painkillers, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, weight control pills, birth control, ED drugs, medical marijuana, blood pressure medicine, and about 20 others. Plus some illegal stuff for some, I'm sure.

Life is more comfortable than ever but people "can't get through the day" without being drugged. And therapy. F'ing everyone is "in counseling" or has a therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist/life coach to "make it through the day".

I'm not scared of it, it's not a religious or political thing, I just have no interest or need. It all boggles my mind to see all of society behaving like lab rats or trained monkeys. No one can function any more unless they're "stimulated" in some way. All I know is I want no part of it.

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That's all great and good until your check engine light comes on sometime around or after your mid 30s. I have a great diet and was on zero meds until 33 when I developed a chronic disease that runs in my family. I now have a pill caddy and a little different life style. Life comes at ya fast

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I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, and I would never argue that no one should ever take medication. As I mentioned though, I'm 56. I guess you could say I'm lucky but it's hard to believe I'm THAT lucky to the point of almost being unique among those I know. You think it'd be something where 80-90% of people never need to take anything and the remainder might at some point, but it seems like the reverse.

Obviously I don't know enough about any of the individual meds because I don't need them, but just in general what I see is that even most children seem to be "on something" now, and it also seems like more than half the people I know have kids with some form of autism/aspergers. I know one guy around 40, all three of his kids have some degree of it. I have another friend in Austin who has two children, both will never be fully independent. Admittedly I'm looking at it in broad terms but it sure seems like the ubiquitous use of drugs and chemicals by almost everyone is causing some of this.

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Already a pill for that.

Guessing most of these fat ****s weren't getting laid anyway

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It reminds me of that Alan Watts quote to the effect "the girl is beautiful but the boy is impotent"

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infinity ag said:

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I don't take any medicines. I don't even get flu shots. And I am fine.
Maybe at some point I will but I don't now. It is all a scam to keep money flowing.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I often feel like I am. I fully realize that some drugs are evidently helpful to people in specific situations or at least not harmful, but I'm 56, I've never spent the night in a hospital in my life, I'm in pretty good shape (at least for my age), and literally the only thing I ever take is an aspirin or Tylenol MAYBE once every year or two if I have a really bad headache. I don't even take vitamins. I take nothing. I'm fine. Obviously better than most.

Meanwhile, seemingly everyone I know at virtually every age is eating a handful of pills or taking shots constantly. Treatments for this or that, painkillers, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, weight control pills, birth control, ED drugs, medical marijuana, blood pressure medicine, and about 20 others. Plus some illegal stuff for some, I'm sure.

Life is more comfortable than ever but people "can't get through the day" without being drugged. And therapy. F'ing everyone is "in counseling" or has a therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist/life coach to "make it through the day".

I'm not scared of it, it's not a religious or political thing, I just have no interest or need. It all boggles my mind to see all of society behaving like lab rats or trained monkeys. No one can function any more unless they're "stimulated" in some way. All I know is I want no part of it.

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You must be so proud. Congrats.

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it works. I'm all for people getting to a healthy weight.

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"Healthy"?

This isn't how "healthy" people get and stay healthy.

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Joes said:

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infinity ag said:

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I don't take any medicines. I don't even get flu shots. And I am fine.
Maybe at some point I will but I don't now. It is all a scam to keep money flowing.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I often feel like I am. I fully realize that some drugs are evidently helpful to people in specific situations or at least not harmful, but I'm 56, I've never spent the night in a hospital in my life, I'm in pretty good shape (at least for my age), and literally the only thing I ever take is an aspirin or Tylenol MAYBE once every year or two if I have a really bad headache. I don't even take vitamins. I take nothing. I'm fine. Obviously better than most.

Meanwhile, seemingly everyone I know at virtually every age is eating a handful of pills or taking shots constantly. Treatments for this or that, painkillers, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, weight control pills, birth control, ED drugs, medical marijuana, blood pressure medicine, and about 20 others. Plus some illegal stuff for some, I'm sure.

Life is more comfortable than ever but people "can't get through the day" without being drugged. And therapy. F'ing everyone is "in counseling" or has a therapist/psychiatrist/psychologist/life coach to "make it through the day".

I'm not scared of it, it's not a religious or political thing, I just have no interest or need. It all boggles my mind to see all of society behaving like lab rats or trained monkeys. No one can function any more unless they're "stimulated" in some way. All I know is I want no part of it.

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That's all great and good until your check engine light comes on sometime around or after your mid 30s. I have a great diet and was on zero meds until 33 when I developed a chronic disease that runs in my family. I now have a pill caddy and a little different life style. Life comes at ya fast

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I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, and I would never argue that no one should ever take medication. As I mentioned though, I'm 56. I guess you could say I'm lucky but it's hard to believe I'm THAT lucky to the point of almost being unique among those I know. You think it'd be something where 80-90% of people never need to take anything and the remainder might at some point, but it seems like the reverse.

Obviously I don't know enough about any of the individual meds because I don't need them, but just in general what I see is that even most children seem to be "on something" now, and it also seems like more than half the people I know have kids with some form of autism/aspergers. I know one guy around 40, all three of his kids have some degree of it. I have another friend in Austin who has two children, both will never be fully independent. Admittedly I'm looking at it in broad terms but it sure seems like the ubiquitous use of drugs and chemicals by almost everyone is causing some of this.

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What does your diet look like? I'm guessing you stay away from ultra processed crap, but may not purposefully. Impressive to say the least. What do you do for physical activity and what do you do for a living? No old nagging injuries?

https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/lifestyle/ozempic-user-reveals-psychological-downside-after-losing-42-lbs/

So this dude lost 40 lbs on Ozempic but he found his emotions were a wreck. He ate to feel good but lost the taste for comfort food. He ate when stressed but not while on O.

Poor baby.

GLP-1 drugs have now been proven to:

Effortlessly lose up to 24% of total body mass
Materially reduce heart disease
Reduce NASH and MASH (fatty liver disease)
Reduce Type 2 diabetes
Reduce Alzheimer's/dementia 32% in 88,000 people
And now it's been found to reduce sleep apnea 51%

Yet there are still plenty of posters on this thread that think GLP-1's are a bad idea. That's amazing! "You can't fix stupid"!

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GLP-1 drugs have now been proven to:

Effortlessly lose up to 24% of total body mass
Materially reduce heart disease
Reduce NASH and MASH (fatty liver disease)
Reduce Type 2 diabetes
Reduce Alzheimer's/dementia 32% in 88,000 people
And now it's been found to reduce sleep apnea 51%

Yet there are still plenty of posters on this thread that think GLP-1's are a bad idea. That's amazing! "You can't fix stupid"!

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I disagree. I get how people who have never struggled with obesity or weight related disease can wave this off as the next fad and quick fix. There is no denying the overwhelming efficacy and power of these incredible (and incredibly overpriced) medications. Absolutely society changing once they can be used by those who really need them as opposed to celebrities trying to get to ideal BMI.

It is very frustrating to see what other countries pay for the same drug that is $1300 a month here. I'm all for free market and pharma making their $$$ by inventing new treatments, but this is straight up price gouging. And I'm fairly heavily financially invested in Lilly & Novo!

The Price of Ozempic, Wegovy Can Be 400% Higher in the U.S. (healthline.com)

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GLP-1 drugs have now been PROVEN to:


Reduce Alzheimer's/dementia 32% in 88,000 people

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Please provide PROOF that this reduces Alzheimer's, as you typed.

hint:

it does not as there is no 1:1 ability to determine if they would have had Alzheimer's anyways.

it "reduced the risk of" which is gobbledygook speak for "we are making a claim, and you cannot prove us wrong because there is no way to confirm one outcome over the other".

Doc, there are people, mainly democrats, that think doctors make too much money. They don't understand all the nights you studied your butt off, all the tests, the labs, the mental anguish, the truly hard work during college, med school and residency. The lives you save and improve quality of life are extremely valuable. But I and many others do understand and realize doctors are worth every cent.

So when I think of the GLP-1's and look at lives saved and extended from curing the the most widespread disease in America, obesity, plus lives saved from reduced heart disease, fewer Type 2 diabetics, less MASH and NASH, less Alzheimer's/dementia and sleep apnea, GLP-1's seem to me to be worth it!

And I too have Lilly and Novo Nordisk as my largest positions.

Here are a few things really not worth the cost:

Insurance
Politicians
Trial lawyers
Taxes
McDonald's meals

If there is a physical ailment that can be cured with lifestyle changes, or a drug, the lifestyle changes should always be the preferred option.