jrdaustin said:
schmellba99 said:
jrdaustin said:
schmellba99 said:
aggie93 said:
Rockdoc said:
I'm sorry but this means nothing to anybody other the TDS crowd. And again, I'm voting for Desantis in the primary, but WILL vote for the (R) in the general.
So you think they will go after Clinton and ignore Trump's connection to Epstein because the press plays fair?
I am voting the same way I'm just not going to goaltend for Trump or allow him to live by his own rules anymore. If that means I have "TDS" so be it. Trump is a pretty terrible human, the only question is how terrible. I know he is not someone I want to vote for unless I have no other choice.
These comments always make me laugh - why don't you list the ways he is such a terrible human.
I'm not talking about getting some strange and divorcing his wife, because he's no different than half (or more) of married folk in that regard. I'm not talking about using existing law to mitigate losses on a few bankruptcies with companies that didn't pan out, because that happens to companies across the country every day of the week, even those mom and pop "really good people" companies.
Is he the second coming of Jesus Christ? Absolutely fuggin not - but - and be specific - how is he so bad that you, who I assume has no interaction with the dude outside of what you parrot from hearing on the news or seeing on message boards (which are parroting what is said on the news) - just *know* he is a "terrible" human?
I'll play.
I'll start by saying that though I normally agree with aggie93 with respect to the election, Trump & DeSantis, I think he's out over his skis on this one, and blowing a nothingburger out of purportion unnecessarily. Sure, the media was going to run with the loose association, but they always were. That doesn't justify giving them the air to do so...
Now for the list. First, Trump isn't a terrible human. He's just flawed in a few egregious ways.
1. He's an insufferable narcissist. He takes personal credit for everything good that happens, and spin everything everything else as someone else's fault. Best President ever? Please. Even if he was, that's one of the things you don't say out loud. But he's not.
2. He demands unconditional loyalty. Loyalty is more important to him than principle. That's a dangerous worldview to have if you're POTUS.
3. Because of #2, he demonizes - and fires - any capable people who disagree with him. Even if they are competent and correct, he'll jettison them because they aren't "yes" people.
4. Also because of #2, his first criterion of who he surrounds himself will be "loyalty", not competence. As such, I fear what his cabinet will look like. And because of this inane litmus test, he's reduced the pool of candidates to work in his administration to a fraction of what it should be.
5. Trump has an irresistable urge to "punch back". As such, he is easily baited. He will find himself in unnecessary squabbles when he should have stayed above the fray and let surrogates fight personality battles. The media has - and will - take advantage of this flaw ad nauseum.
There's more, but these are the main things that concern me, and why I will vote for DeSantis in the Primary.
As you can see from the above, NOTHING in this list has ANYTHING to to with Epstein, plane trips, or young girls.
....and none of those make him a "terrible human being". Only someboy you don't like.
I'll give you a hint - pretty much every single successful business person, especially those who run massive corproations, fit under #1 and #2. And since everything else in your list is contingent upon #1 and #2, there are a whole lof of people you probably admire that are also "terrible people". I'll also argue agianst #3 - because you don't run a company and grow it in the manner he did by only having yes people around, you have to have the dissenting opinion or differing point of view to question things and force you to look at your plan from multiple angles. I think it's well documented that Trump actively listens to those around him, but ultimately makes the final decision himself. Which isn't all that unusual at all.
I'm still waiting for something that truly makes him this terrible, horrible, awful human being that you and 93 are parroting from whatever news site you listen to.
Dude. Do you even read?
Look at the third paragraph. ONE SENTENCE!
And then you turn around and attack me? You're pretty pathetic. Great ambassador for Trump, tho.
I read extremely well - and you were specifically responding to my comment of "provide specific reasons why he is such a terrible human". Your little caveat doesn't make you immune from the fact that you listed all of the ways you think he's this terrible person.
Also - if that is "attacking you"...then you are a thin skined soy boy and I feel sorry for you.
For the record - I don't give a single sht whether Trump, Desantis or any other R ultimately get the nomination because none of them are perfect, all have significant issues that I'll disagree with, won't be anywhere close to militant enough for me on defending 2A and striking every single law off the books that restricts my right to own firearms or systematically dismantling the absolute corrupt institutions in Washington or work hard enough to reduce taxes, the financial issues we have as a country, actually make the feds secure our border, etc.
But even with all of the flaws I'll personally have with any of them - they all are better than anything the democrats will ever crap out on the podium, and I'm fine with that.
I just think the TDS that some folks have is beyond stupid, and it also is proof that the simple minded are easily swayed by what they hear and read, which is a very scary thought given our 24/7 news cycle and the overwhelming power of the media and group think.