Climate Change is a religion, but for most adherents it's the kind they only one they wind-up on Sundays. It's party-on for the rest of the week like a lazy Christian.
Speaking of, I wonder if Oprah already has her team dispatched to start buying land:DDub74 said:
That's for you, Al Gore, all the Hollywood liberals and everyone else.
You know what is kinda weird about records?wxmanX said:
yea, whatever.
World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.
YouBet said:Agree with you. The problem is that there is no middle ground that is allowed to be discussed on this topic.BoydCrowder13 said:
I get the knee jerk push back against anything liberals support but I do think conservatives have let themselves be painted into a corner as not caring about the planet. See some responses here.
It is okay to admit that as the human population has grown exponentially in the last hundred years, that:
-there has been massive deforestation
-many species have been driven to extinction (either through hunting or deforestation)
-there does seem to be an increase in natural disasters (major hurricanes, forest fires, etc) over the last 20 years
-smog is awful in many cities around the globe (Mexico City and Beijing come to mind)
-more rivers are going dry and creating water issues in different areas
Now some of these are clearly manmade and some may not be.
Republicans shouldn't have a platform of ignoring it. That doesn't win over voters. They should present a common sense plan to address it:
-Push for nuclear energy and natural gas
-push to preserve national parks and efforts to plant new trees
-support for some renewable technologies as it clearly will have a place in the economy in the next 50 years without sacrificing the oil and gas industry
-work with energy companies on new technologies like carbon capture
It doesn't have to be the Green New Deal or nothing. We do live on this planet. There are 8 billion of us and left unchecked we clearly could do some damage.
The original movement has been hijacked by Marxists (like every other damn thing) and so it's GND (ie Marxism) or bust for them. They've admitted this at this point. It's wealth redistribution.
And I think most Republicans are for those bullet points but you would never know about it because it's never enough with the left. The Republicans could put out a plan like this and it would immediately be lambasted as not enough.
Remember that we are at 11:59:54 on the DoomsDay clock with the moronic left. The only options left for consideration are extreme measures.
Apparently 1,609 people smarter than you disagree that the "science is correct". So you have that going for you.wxmanX said:
i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.
Just know the science is correct. Later.
You have let media train you to think that way, because it is patently false in pretty much every application you can name when it comes to anything approaching conservation.BoydCrowder13 said:
I get the knee jerk push back against anything liberals support but I do think conservatives have let themselves be painted into a corner as not caring about the planet. See some responses here.
It is okay to admit that as the human population has grown exponentially in the last hundred years, that:
-there has been massive deforestation
-many species have been driven to extinction (either through hunting or deforestation)
-there does seem to be an increase in natural disasters (major hurricanes, forest fires, etc) over the last 20 years
-smog is awful in many cities around the globe (Mexico City and Beijing come to mind)
-more rivers are going dry and creating water issues in different areas
Now some of these are clearly manmade and some may not be.
Republicans shouldn't have a platform of ignoring it. That doesn't win over voters. They should present a common sense plan to address it:
-Push for nuclear energy and natural gas
-push to preserve national parks and efforts to plant new trees
-support for some renewable technologies as it clearly will have a place in the economy in the next 50 years without sacrificing the oil and gas industry
-work with energy companies on new technologies like carbon capture
It doesn't have to be the Green New Deal or nothing. We do live on this planet. There are 8 billion of us and left unchecked we clearly could do some damage.
Yeah, it eventually radiates out into space along with all of the solar input energy reaching the Earth every second. Or did you think the Earth was some kind of an energy black hole that never sheds any heat?Quote:
when you burn fossil fuels that energy has to go somewhere
and what will a trillion dollar green new deal for the US federal government do about it? will a bigger and bigger US government regulating what machines and equipment US citizens and companies can use or how they use them or forcing them to use chinese solar panels or lithium ion batteries while china is burning through fossil fuels like it's nobody's business make a remotely measurable impact? alarmists have been screaming the end is near for several decades now. is a green new deal for the government finally going to save us all because the government is so good at implementing and managing programs?DarkBrandon01 said:
and 100,000 other scientists believe in man made climate change. this means nothing. when you burn fossil fuels that energy has to go somewhere, it just doesn't disappear. it is the ONLY explanation. there are no other natural factors that account for the rapid increase of greenhouse gases.
DarkBrandon01 said:
and 100,000 other scientists believe in man made climate change. this means nothing. when you burn fossil fuels that energy has to go somewhere, it just doesn't disappear. it is the ONLY explanation. there are no other natural factors that account for the rapid increase of greenhouse gases.
Old May Banker said:wxmanX said:
yea, whatever.
World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever
lol
What's the correct temperature and where's the thermostat? Government taxes fix it? Move to a mud hut somewhere and exist off of berries and twigs if you think it matters.
lmao
FTA 2001 said:
Can anyone provide a strong enough argument that would convince me that these 1,600 scientists know better than the groups and organizations below, who represent many many more than 1,600 scientists?
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/Quote:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)
http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/Quote:
American Chemical Society
"The Earth's climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.htmlQuote:
American Geophysical Union
"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)
https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_ClimateQuote:
American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)
https://policysearch.ama-assn.org/policyfinder/detail/climate%20change?uri=%2FAMADoc%2FHOD.xml-0-309.xmlQuote:
American Meteorological Society
"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)
https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change1/Quote:
American Physical Society
"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)
https://www.aps.org/newsroom/pressreleases/climate.cfmQuote:
The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspxQuote:
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth's climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."
https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/internationalsite/documents/webpage/international_080877.pdfQuote:
U.S. Global Change Research Program
"Earth's climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)
https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/Quote:
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
"It is unequivocal that the increase of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere over the industrial era is the result of human activities and that human influence is the principal driver of many changes observed across the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere.
"Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/
Sounds like a religionDarkBrandon01 said:
and 100,000 other scientists believe in man made climate change. this means nothing. when you burn fossil fuels that energy has to go somewhere, it just doesn't disappear. it is the ONLY explanation. there are no other natural factors that account for the rapid increase of greenhouse gases.
It gets hot in the summer. Some days, in some places, you set records, but in some places you don't. On other days, you don't set records anywhere. Now, if every day resulted in an all-time high, day after day after day, everywhere, that would be something.wxmanX said:
It may break DFW all-time high on Friday, same with Austin and College Station.
Good luck with the power grid.
Same kind of deal. It was 104 the other day with a feels like of 119 around 3pm-4pm. I was spraying weeds with a backpack sprayer. Nobody died. Just summertime, but I am ready for it to be over.Rockdoc said:
It was 109 here at my house in CS about 3 days ago. Just another summer day and we survived.
Illegals need electricity too.wxmanX said:
It may break DFW all-time high on Friday, same with Austin and College Station.
Good luck with the power grid.
wxmanX said:
yea, whatever.
World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.
if someone on the Marlboro bankroll put out a declaration signed by "scientists" saying cigarettes are actually not that bad for you, you'd laugh in their face. if the O&G industry is paying or influencing someone to downplay or deny manmade climate change (as is very obviously the case with the declaration in the op), when they have a very obvious financial incentive to do so regardless of whether it's true, you should be skeptical of the impartiality and veracity of those claims.geoag58 said:Old McDonald said:that's all corporate greenwashing advertising to appease the public and activist investors. overwhelming majority of O&G capital investment still goes to hydrocarbons.geoag58 said:Old McDonald said:and a majority of the time, following the money on the climate change denial side of the debate brings you to the oil and gas industry. what are we to do? it's agendas and ulterior motives and shadow money all the way down!Cromagnum said:
As with everything, follow the money. The same people who made a mint lieing about covid are the same people lieing about a climate crisis.
Oxy sure got some climate BS money. What you say does not jibe with the advertisements from big oil advertising how environmentally resposible they are and kneeling to kiss the evil ring.
When did looking for oil and gas by an oil and gas company become ulterior motives and shadow money?
You need to sit down and examine your ulterior motives.
How much research money have they gotten from pro-climate change sources? Prostitutes will say pretty much what you're willing to pay them to say.etxag02 said:
Someone needs to tell the university. Those poor kids are going to be corrupted.Quote:
FACULTY STATEMENT ON CLIMATE CHANGE
The faculty of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences of Texas A&M University has extensive knowledge about the Earth's climate. As employees of a state university, it is our responsibility to offer our expertise on scientific issues that are important to the citizens of Texas, including whether and why the climate is changing.
We agree with the following conclusions based on current evidence:
1. The Earth's climate is warming, meaning that the temperatures of the lower atmosphere and ocean have been increasing over many decades. Average global surface air temperatures warmed by about 2F between 1880 and 2022.
2. Our best estimate is that humans are responsible for most or all of this warming. Natural factors, such as solar variability, unforced variability, or volcanic activity, have likely had little cumulative effect over this period.
3. On our current trajectory, the increase in global average temperature this century will exceed the Paris Agreement's goal of staying well below 3.6F.
Continued increases of atmospheric and oceanic temperatures present the risk of serious challenges to human society and ecosystems. It is difficult to quantify such challenges, except to say that the potential magnitudes of impacts increase rapidly as the magnitude of global warming increases.
This statement was unanimously adopted by the faculty in February 2023. It is in effect until next IPCC report or until revised.
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: http://www.ipcc.ch
The American Geophysical Union statement on climate change: https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_Climate
The American Meteorological Society statement on climate change: https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change1/
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/11/17/texas-am-joins-a-global-call-for-net-zero-emissions/
wxmanX said:
This is almost comical.
Wow, you are so smart.
Impressed.
wxmanX said:
Science is settled.
beerad12man said:wxmanX said:
yea, whatever.
World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.
One year of data? Now do last year compared to 20 years ago? 30? 50? 10?
This has been analyzed by David Evans as shown from the following video (which is difficult to find using Google or YouTube searches).Quote:
b. How do you accurately attribute how much is man made? You would need to be able to exactly calculate the amount of greenhouse gas produced by man vs nature, and there is simply no way currently to do this. Everything is based on a flawed aggregate of calculated estimates rife with more error variance (plant emissions, car emissions, cow farts, etc). In addition, these models have either done a poor job of modeling or else left out entirely the effect of volcanoes, solar flares, and sub-sea magma vents, which is a MASSIVE source of both heat and CO2.