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If I recall correctly, Trump was citing the total number of cases instead of doing a per capita adjustment.

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He's either mentally deficient or an outright liar. Or both.

All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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Rudy and the Pillow Baron?

PatriotAg02 said:

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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Sorry, couldn't hear you over all of the derp....

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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Well, according to many Trumpers, "wrong" or "right" is dependent on whether or not you support Trump.

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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That stolen valor Marine guy? Solid company.

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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Please name 3 of these "right people."

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Also, if you support Trump you are fine with lockdowns and having a prez who LOVES the vaccine and is narcissistic and stupid enough to give himself credit for it lol.

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Leaders that battle the cabal have to be narcissistic
Only way they can battle, expose, and take down. People don't understand the world we are in.
Think of it like a hc or qb the nfl
Tom Brady marcissitic?

God annoints leaders at different times, God needed a battle axe for this moment

Not big Ron's time

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George S Patton. Narcissistic? Mean? Insensitive? Non-team player? Despised by most? A man for his time?

It's easy for people to say big rally's don't matter because the last election showed us that. Well go back 4 years prior. Trump had huge rallys and won. He did the same in 2020 and got MORE votes but Joey "won".

So in reality the big variable was the covids and the democratic party doing a way better job on focusing on how to get mail in votes to the ballot box whether they were fraudulent or not instead of wasting time campaigning.

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Daddy said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Also, if you support Trump you are fine with lockdowns and having a prez who LOVES the vaccine and is narcissistic and stupid enough to give himself credit for it lol.

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Leaders that battle the cabal have to be narcissistic
Only way they can battle, expose, and take down. People don't understand the world we are in.
Think of it like a hc or qb the nfl
Tom Brady marcissitic?

God annoints leaders at different times, God needed a battle axe for this moment

Not big Ron's time

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George S Patton. Narcissistic? Mean? Insensitive? Non-team player? Despised by most? A man for his time?

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Wait .....are you equating General Patton with bone spurs ?

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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Trump literally opened up his South Carolina campaign having Lindsay Freaking Graham endorse him and they gushed all over each other. Trump ensured that Ronna Romney McDaniel beat Harmeet Dhillon as RNC Chair after DeSantis endorsed her ensuring that the RNC will spend their money on consultants and grift again instead of grass roots, ballot harvesting, and election attorneys.That was just a couple of months ago.

All of the "DeSantis is a RINO!" stuff is coming from team Trump. You don't see him hanging out with the Bushes or Rove or Romney or Ryan or McConnell. If you just get your news from Team Trump and close your eyes then it makes sense. The moment you start to have an ounce of objectivity though it all falls apart.

All of this is about Trump will do and say anything to win. He isn't concerned about policy or the people or anything else, this is about Trump wanting to get back his stolen election from '20. While I sympathize with him about what happened 1)Many of the problems of 2020 are because of the guy in the mirror and 2)This isn't about 2020, this is about 2024 and beyond. Trump is barely even talking about what he will do if re-elected and when he does it is in broad strokes promising things he couldn't deliver in his first term. He does all of this while trying to tear down a guy that virtually every Republican in America wishes had been their Governor for the last few years.

Trump feels he is entitled to the nomination because of what he did from 2016-2020. DeSantis has earned the nomination though because of what he has done since Trump left office and for what he is capable of doing going forward.

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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no one of any political value and weight is backing trump.

in the theoretical world he gets elected, he is a literal double lame duck president

1. final term
2. no political allies in power in either party that will work with him.

he will again be president easily-overturned "executive order" before his inevitable implosion.

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Trump folks: read this post and please make every attempt to accept this as reality. Because this is reality. You have to move on.

Were people disappointed by Trump's attacking DS not paying attention in 2016 when Cruz's father killed JFK? The only reason it didn't happen in 2020 is because there wasn't any competition in the primary. He has one mode, you are either for him 100% or you are the enemy and everything you do is bad. I have voted for Libertarian in 1 presidential election in my life, and that was 2016. That was entirely because of how Trump behaved in the primary. He is reminding me why I didn't vote for him then.

I think you are seeing so many attacks from the left and from Trump because DS is the candidate that is popular enough to beat both, and they can see it before he even enters the race.

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It's easy for people to say big rally's don't matter because the last election showed us that. Well go back 4 years prior. Trump had huge rallys and won. He did the same in 2020 and got MORE votes but Joey "won".

So in reality the big variable was the covids and the democratic party doing a way better job on focusing on how to get mail in votes to the ballot box whether they were fraudulent or not instead of wasting time campaigning.

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Let's assume those rallies are still important. How many new faces did Trump have at the Waco rally? How many rallies has he been doing lately? Back in '20 Trump could do multiple rallies a week and draw 20k per anywhere in the country. I seriously doubt he can pull that off now because a lot of his hardcore folks literally follow him around like Rock Star groupies now.

I remember reading the articles back in the day with Democrats who went to Trump rallies and got Red Pilled. They were awesome. I just don't see that happening anymore and I don't see how it will happen.

Trump is also using his rallies to raise money (often by selling weird commemorative stuff like Trump Knives) and make commercials. What he isn't doing is organizing those volunteers to actually do the things he is talking about such as knocking doors and ballot harvesting. He isn't even doing the obvious smart things like having a rally in Wisconsin and telling people to go vote for Justice Kelly, instead he is in Waco because he knows with that location within easy driving distance of 25 million people in a Red State he will draw a big crowd.

I don't underestimate Trump but I'm also not fooled by him.

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PatriotAg02 said:

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All of the wrong people are backing DeSantis, and all of the right people are backing Trump. All I need to know.

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That stolen valor Marine guy? Solid company.

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Branch Stupidians

Remember, Trump is a hired gun. He is not running on principles, he is running on his persona, and what he thinks he needs to say to get elected. Sure, some of the things he wants to do is beneficial, but some of the things he put in was throwing a bone to those he needed for the next election.

"But his Supreme Court nominees were awesome!". Yeah, he gave that 2 seconds thought after he was given a list of people that were good. We got lucky.

Even if he does get elected, there is no next election for him after this... Why does he need to throw a conservative bone out to his supporters after that? He won't need them anymore. But there will still be some die-hards out there trying to justify why the next largest spending bills in history or the next governmental overreach are actually conservative, since it is Trump pushing them through.

Crowd’s reaction to Trump knocking DeSantis: pic.twitter.com/R6B4xGZqMS

— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) March 25, 2023

LOW ENERGY TRUMP CROWD!!

SAD!!

notice how Trump (of course!) goes after DeSantis telling the same BS story about Ron crying for Don's crucial support. This same story Trump has told a dozen times in the media.

but with new and improved Trump, we get to hear how CHARLIE CRIST (a democrat) was a better governor than DeSantis.

because that's what conservative leaders do right? praise democrats.

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Crowd’s reaction to Trump knocking DeSantis: pic.twitter.com/R6B4xGZqMS

— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) March 25, 2023

LOW ENERGY TRUMP CROWD!!

SAD!!

notice how Trump (of course!) goes after DeSantis telling the same BS story about Ron crying for Don's crucial support. This same story Trump has told a dozen times in the media.

but with new and improved Trump, we get to hear how CHARLIE CRIST (a democrat) was a better governor than DeSantis.

because that's what conservative leaders do right? praise democrats.

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As I said earlier, how many folks in that crowd wish that DeSantis had been their Governor the last 3 years vs Abbott or whomever else they had as Governor? Even the Trumpiest of Trump voters will feel a knot in their stomach answering that question.

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Crowd’s reaction to Trump knocking DeSantis: pic.twitter.com/R6B4xGZqMS

— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) March 25, 2023

LOW ENERGY TRUMP CROWD!!

SAD!!

notice how Trump (of course!) goes after DeSantis telling the same BS story about Ron crying for Don's crucial support. This same story Trump has told a dozen times in the media.

but with new and improved Trump, we get to hear how CHARLIE CRIST (a democrat) was a better governor than DeSantis.

because that's what conservative leaders do right? praise democrats.

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that's just embarrassing.

Trump is going to destroy the party. He's completely lost it.

Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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LMCane said:

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Crowd’s reaction to Trump knocking DeSantis: pic.twitter.com/R6B4xGZqMS

— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) March 25, 2023

LOW ENERGY TRUMP CROWD!!

SAD!!

notice how Trump (of course!) goes after DeSantis telling the same BS story about Ron crying for Don's crucial support. This same story Trump has told a dozen times in the media.

but with new and improved Trump, we get to hear how CHARLIE CRIST (a democrat) was a better governor than DeSantis.

because that's what conservative leaders do right? praise democrats.

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that's just embarrassing.

Trump is going to destroy the party. He's completely lost it.

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If it makes you feel any better I think there is a very real chance Trump destroys himself first. It's a long way to the primaries and Trump is already going both barrels and is going to make himself harder to defend.

I saw a Catturd Tweet this morning for instance asking him about how he is suddenly going from being a huge DeSantis fan to all in on Trump (he was original MAGA). He came back and said he just wants DeSantis to stay Governor and let Trump get the nomination. Problem is that Rubicon has already been crossed and it's going to get uglier. He's going to have to choose between his head and his heart. Every time Trump says stuff about DeSantis and Florida that is easily disproven it is going to chip away at that "heart" vote. People don't like to be lied to and told they need to support the lie.

If the election were next month that would be different. If DeSantis didn't already have a huge base of support and a ton of money it would be different. DeSantis is much, much stronger than Cruz was for instance.

DeSantis is going to just keep speaking truth and pointing to the W's he is racking up almost daily (Signing School Choice today I believe) while Trump is out calling him a gay pedo who was a worse Governor than Charlie Crist. I just don't think that's a long term strategy that's going to work no matter how loud Trump shouts it.

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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DeSantis might not generate the circus like rallies Trump has but I guarantee you millions of suburban voters will vote for him that voted against Trump last time.

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Will the same minorities and working class middle class vote tor DeSantis like they did when they switched from lib to vote for Trump?

Trump landed 74 million votes in 2020. Many of those were these exact people that had voted lib in the past, but voted for his message. These rallies were a big part of that.

Trump beat Hillary. Do you remember 2016, when they thought they had Michigan in the bag? Well, they were so confident they held a recount, but due to all the "irregularities" in Detroit, they had to stop the recount and declare Trump the winner. He was able to overcome the cheating.

For the few republicans that flipped due to Trump, there are many, MANY more that flipped from lib TO Trump due to his message.

The only way to win, is to get enough votes that cheating can't win. That's extremely difficult. Not sure the logic behind DeSantis being able to do this and Trump not, when Trump actually did it in 2016.

Trump lost in 2020 and has cost us elections over and over again since then. That's why.

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

FL Women - Trump lost Florida women by 3 in 2020 and DeSantis won them by 7 points in 2022.
FL Hispanics - Trump lost them by 7 in 2020 and DeSantis won them by 15 points.
FL Independents - Trump lost by 11 in 2020 and DeSantis won by 8 in 2022.

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The only way to win, is to get enough votes that cheating can't win. That's extremely difficult. Not sure the logic behind DeSantis being able to do this and Trump not, when Trump actually did it in 2016.

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To start, it's not 2016 anymore. Hillary isn't on the ballot. Trump isn't an upstart doing things in a way no one had seen before. Democrats aren't assuming they have the election in the bag and aren't going to ignore Swing states that they think they have wrapped up anyway. The Democrats have evolved and so must we.

I don't know why the concept that there are millions of people that like the policies of Trump/DeSantis (which are nearly identical) but can't stand Trump is so hard to grasp. You can call them stupid or get angry but that isn't going to change their mind. That doesn't even account for the millions more that are just tired of Trump and the circus that follows him. Hell there are a lot of folks out there that just don't want 2 dudes that are around 80 still running the country for the next 4 years, they are ready for the next generation.

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DeSantis might not generate the circus like rallies Trump has but I guarantee you millions of suburban voters will vote for him that voted against Trump last time.

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Will the same minorities and working class middle class vote tor DeSantis like they did when they switched from lib to vote for Trump?

Trump landed 74 million votes in 2020. Many of those were these exact people that had voted lib in the past, but voted for his message. These rallies were a big part of that.

Trump beat Hillary. Do you remember 2016, when they thought they had Michigan in the bag? Well, they were so confident they held a recount, but due to all the "irregularities" in Detroit, they had to stop the recount and declare Trump the winner. He was able to overcome the cheating.

For the few republicans that flipped due to Trump, there are many, MANY more that flipped from lib TO Trump due to his message.

The only way to win, is to get enough votes that cheating can't win. That's extremely difficult. Not sure the logic behind DeSantis being able to do this and Trump not, when Trump actually did it in 2016.

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****Sigh****

He literally JUST did this in Florida.

Good Lord, the talking points are getting old.

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Lol at captain bone spurs being compared to Patton or MacArthur. This is why no one can take you seriously.

Trump is none of those. Not sure why you keep postulating that Trump is a "proven warrior", when he got worked by so many people/groups/agencies. He did jack and **** against "the swamp", let Fauci/Birx run rampant, hired horrible choices for important roles, etc. He tweeted a bunch, but that isn't a "warrior" in the least.

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Let's not forget that he was far more focused on himself after the '20 election than making sure the GOP secured the Georgia Senate seats.

He had good policies as president, but if anybody thinks that Trump isn't 100% about himself first and foremost, they're lying to themselves.

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Heck, he was even suggesting Stacey Abrams would be a better governor than Kemp.

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Tells us all we need to know.

Also, his willingness to go low against fellow conservatives is routinely nauseating. I had a particularly hard time listening to him (a draft dodger) going after McCain's military service. Say what you will about RINO McCain's politics, but Trump should have avoided touching that topic with a 10 foot pole.

The Ron DeSantictimonious "florida was doing great before he got there" pitch also rings hollow to me. Florida led the way during Covid. His state was the thorn in the side of the "it would have been so much worse without masks and mandates" narrative. We owe him a lot for that.

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my best friend at officer school in the Air Force was super p!ssed off about Trump when he went after the dead soldier's pakistani dad or whatever, the guy who spoke at Biden's coronation.

Trump had a habit of going after McCain and any military group that opposed trump

I still remember WEEKS of debating and arguing about whether or not Trump told some widow that anyone killed in Vietnam and Iraq was an idiot for letting themselves get killed in useless wars

Patton- shot in the stomach while advancing on a German trench in World War One

led the II Corps and Third Army in France

40 year career in the United States Army.

Donald Trump = 5 deferments to avoid serving in the military

but YES- Trump is exactly Patton!!