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DeSantis might not generate the circus like rallies Trump has but I guarantee you millions of suburban voters will vote for him that voted against Trump last time.

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Will the same minorities and working class middle class vote tor DeSantis like they did when they switched from lib to vote for Trump?

Trump landed 74 million votes in 2020. Many of those were these exact people that had voted lib in the past, but voted for his message. These rallies were a big part of that.

Trump beat Hillary. Do you remember 2016, when they thought they had Michigan in the bag? Well, they were so confident they held a recount, but due to all the "irregularities" in Detroit, they had to stop the recount and declare Trump the winner. He was able to overcome the cheating.

For the few republicans that flipped due to Trump, there are many, MANY more that flipped from lib TO Trump due to his message.

The only way to win, is to get enough votes that cheating can't win. That's extremely difficult. Not sure the logic behind DeSantis being able to do this and Trump not, when Trump actually did it in 2016.

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****Sigh****

He literally JUST did this in Florida.

Good Lord, the talking points are getting old.

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History lesson

1. DeSantis won in 2018 by 34,000 votes. He had a huge lead, but then the cheating started and wasn't enough. Do you remember? Lead went from 100,000 votes to 34,000 due to balots magically being "found".

2. Then, if you recall, there was a recount, but certain counties didn't report "on time", thus DeSantis was the winner. Just like in 2016, the cheating didn't quite work.

3. Do you also remember Trump endorsing him? Do you also remember how popular Trump was in 2018? he totally turned around the economy, oil prices were going down, jobs were up by an insane amount, and yet he still only "won" by 34,000 votes.

His results in Florida 2022 means that he, along with the Florida legislature was able to fix the cheating. Doesn't mean he got any more votes. Means he was able to stop the illegal votes. That's awsome. He's done a terrific job in Florida.

But, what he did in Florida is nowhere near what he will have to demonstrate in a national election in 2024. He's going to have to get another record number of minority votes to have a chance. But more than that, he's going to have to get them to go to the polls. Ballot harvesting is much more difficult when a large portion of the community actually vote.

That's where the rallies. That's the nation wide excitement for his base. That's what turned around many of the liberals that voted democrat most of their lives.

In 2016, Trump landed 63 million votes. In 2020, he landed 74 million votes, after Dominion was able to reverse however many votes they bragged about.

It will be a massive fight for either Trump or DeSantis to win, to be honest. Trump has shown the ability to get turnout. Massive, nationwide turnout. Now that Biden has shown his ineptness, press can't hide it. Trump just needs a few more votes to win.

DeSantis? He's going to need alot more than Florida with the infrastruture in place. j

Personally, I think Trump is closer on a nationwide level.

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Trump is none of those. Not sure why you keep postulating that Trump is a "proven warrior", when he got worked by so many people/groups/agencies. He did jack and **** against "the swamp", let Fauci/Birx run rampant, hired horrible choices for important roles, etc. He tweeted a bunch, but that isn't a "warrior" in the least.

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There were alot of the swamp that Trump rid this country. Folks in congress, like Chaney (congress) resigned due to "MAGA", as well as Alpahbet agency, like Comey. Do I have to name them all for you to remember?

Did he fire everyone? He even admits that he should have fired Fauci. No and maybe he should have done like Regan did with the air traffic controllers and just fire EVERYONE.

But, he did clear out alot.

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Trump is no Patton and DeSantis isn't Bradley.

Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Ice Man. Love me some Maverick but Ice Man won the Top Gun trophy and ended up the Admiral.

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DeSantis might not generate the circus like rallies Trump has but I guarantee you millions of suburban voters will vote for him that voted against Trump last time.

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Will the same minorities and working class middle class vote tor DeSantis like they did when they switched from lib to vote for Trump?

Trump landed 74 million votes in 2020. Many of those were these exact people that had voted lib in the past, but voted for his message. These rallies were a big part of that.

Trump beat Hillary. Do you remember 2016, when they thought they had Michigan in the bag? Well, they were so confident they held a recount, but due to all the "irregularities" in Detroit, they had to stop the recount and declare Trump the winner. He was able to overcome the cheating.

For the few republicans that flipped due to Trump, there are many, MANY more that flipped from lib TO Trump due to his message.

The only way to win, is to get enough votes that cheating can't win. That's extremely difficult. Not sure the logic behind DeSantis being able to do this and Trump not, when Trump actually did it in 2016.

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He literally JUST did this in Florida.

Good Lord, the talking points are getting old.

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1. DeSantis won in 2018 by 34,000 votes. He had a huge lead, but then the cheating started and wasn't enough. Do you remember? Lead went from 100,000 votes to 34,000 due to balots magically being "found".

2. Then, if you recall, there was a recount, but certain counties didn't report "on time", thus DeSantis was the winner. Just like in 2016, the cheating didn't quite work.

3. Do you also remember Trump endorsing him? Do you also remember how popular Trump was in 2018? he totally turned around the economy, oil prices were going down, jobs were up by an insane amount, and yet he still only "won" by 34,000 votes.

His results in Florida 2022 means that he, along with the Florida legislature was able to fix the cheating. Doesn't mean he got any more votes. Means he was able to stop the illegal votes. That's awsome. He's done a terrific job in Florida.

But, what he did in Florida is nowhere near what he will have to demonstrate in a national election in 2024. He's going to have to get another record number of minority votes to have a chance. But more than that, he's going to have to get them to go to the polls. Ballot harvesting is much more difficult when a large portion of the community actually vote.

That's where the rallies. That's the nation wide excitement for his base. That's what turned around many of the liberals that voted democrat most of their lives.

In 2016, Trump landed 63 million votes. In 2020, he landed 74 million votes, after Dominion was able to reverse however many votes they bragged about.

It will be a massive fight for either Trump or DeSantis to win, to be honest. Trump has shown the ability to get turnout. Massive, nationwide turnout. Now that Biden has shown his ineptness, press can't hide it. Trump just needs a few more votes to win.

DeSantis? He's going to need alot more than Florida with the infrastruture in place. j

Personally, I think Trump is closer on a nationwide level.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

One more. Trump had low popularity in the '18 Cycle and he lost seats. Now that happens for lots of Presidents in the Mid Term but the point is it wasn't like it was this amazing coronation for Trump to endorse him. In fact in what was a very Purple Florida it could have gone either way.

In terms of the closeness of Florida at the time election law wise I agree but in the end DeSantis DID win. Also, you seem to just want to ignore the millions of Republicans and Indy's that agree with MAGA policy but can't stand Trump. That's especially true of Suburban women. Trump didn't just lose those folks he drove them to call up their friends to go vote against him. DeSantis can win them because they like to vote for folks not only on policy but also on personal behavior and demeanor. You literally couldn't draw up a better candidate than DeSantis on that front.

Does that mean DeSantis has an easy win? Of course not, it's going to be a nasty and ferocious battle until the end. I just think as the dust settles he has by far the better shot at winning because he doesn't have that baggage and he knows how to play offense.

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You are correct here. I don't believe that to be the case. I know the media is trying to spin that, but they tried spinning that in both the '16 and '20 elections and it just wasn't the case.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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One more. Trump had low popularity in the '18 Cycle and he lost seats. Now that happens for lots of Presidents in the Mid Term but the point is it wasn't like it was this amazing coronation for Trump to endorse him. In fact in what was a very Purple Florida it could have gone either way.

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He did lose seats, but the narrative that his approval rating was low was just that. And yes, media bashing hurt his approval rating, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the narrative. Hell, here is a Vox article talking about "improving popularity" of Trump before the mid-terms

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But while support for Republicans has increased slightly since September, it doesn't seem to be spiking as Trump's approval ratings improve. One item that could help to explain the disconnect is the fact that many voters said they don't consider their midterm decisions to be tied to their feelings about Trump. Twenty-nine percent of registered voters said their votes were meant to send a signal of support to Trump, 33 percent said it was meant to signal opposition, and 36 percent said it's not a message either way on the president.

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Can't get more liberal than Vox.

By October 2018, Trump's approval rating was up to 47%. Extremely high.

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Trump is none of those. Not sure why you keep postulating that Trump is a "proven warrior", when he got worked by so many people/groups/agencies. He did jack and **** against "the swamp", let Fauci/Birx run rampant, hired horrible choices for important roles, etc. He tweeted a bunch, but that isn't a "warrior" in the least.

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There were alot of the swamp that Trump rid this country. Folks in congress, like Chaney (congress) resigned due to "MAGA", as well as Alpahbet agency, like Comey. Do I have to name them all for you to remember?

Did he fire everyone? He even admits that he should have fired Fauci. No and maybe he should have done like Regan did with the air traffic controllers and just fire EVERYONE.

But, he did clear out alot.

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Revisionist history on Trump won't get you there. Greatest policy President since Reagan.

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Trump is none of those. Not sure why you keep postulating that Trump is a "proven warrior", when he got worked by so many people/groups/agencies. He did jack and **** against "the swamp", let Fauci/Birx run rampant, hired horrible choices for important roles, etc. He tweeted a bunch, but that isn't a "warrior" in the least.

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There were alot of the swamp that Trump rid this country. Folks in congress, like Chaney (congress) resigned due to "MAGA", as well as Alpahbet agency, like Comey. Do I have to name them all for you to remember?

Did he fire everyone? He even admits that he should have fired Fauci. No and maybe he should have done like Regan did with the air traffic controllers and just fire EVERYONE.

But, he did clear out alot.

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Revisionist history on Trump won't get you there. Greatest policy President since Reagan.

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Revisionist history? Are you telling me there was not a list of congressmen that resigned and alphabet agency workers not out of Washington due to Trump?

is that what you are saying?

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Also, you seem to just want to ignore the millions of Republicans and Indy's that agree with MAGA policy but can't stand Trump.

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You are correct here. I don't believe that to be the case. I know the media is trying to spin that, but they tried spinning that in both the '16 and '20 elections and it just wasn't the case.

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Brian Kemp. Glenn Youngkin. Those are 2 examples. Personally I can think of MANY friends I have argued with and pleaded with to vote for Trump who won't even discuss it because of his behavior. Those folks post here as well but you deny they exist or think they are actually Democrats or worse.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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Trump has gone on and on about how he saved DeSantis and DeSantis begged him to endorse him and how he would be nothing if it weren't for him.

The reality is Trump endorsed a guy that was aligned with him politically and was a strong ally on Russiagate, thus he helped out Trump long before Trump helped him.

The point is that it is more exaggeration at best or flat out lying by Trump.

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One more. Trump had low popularity in the '18 Cycle and he lost seats. Now that happens for lots of Presidents in the Mid Term but the point is it wasn't like it was this amazing coronation for Trump to endorse him. In fact in what was a very Purple Florida it could have gone either way.

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He did lose seats, but the narrative that his approval rating was low was just that. And yes, media bashing hurt his approval rating, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the narrative. Hell, here is a Vox article talking about "improving popularity" of Trump before the mid-terms

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But while support for Republicans has increased slightly since September, it doesn't seem to be spiking as Trump's approval ratings improve. One item that could help to explain the disconnect is the fact that many voters said they don't consider their midterm decisions to be tied to their feelings about Trump. Twenty-nine percent of registered voters said their votes were meant to send a signal of support to Trump, 33 percent said it was meant to signal opposition, and 36 percent said it's not a message either way on the president.

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Can't get more liberal than Vox.

By October 2018, Trump's approval rating was up to 47%. Extremely high.

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47% isn't "extremely high", it was "extremely high" for Trump because that was around his high water mark.

An "extremely high" approval rating is 60% or above where Obama, Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan all spent significant amounts of time. 50% or above is solid. 45-50% means you are in danger of losing re-election. Below 45% means you are likely to lose re-election.

That's just basic political science.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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Trump has gone on and on about how he saved DeSantis and DeSantis begged him to endorse him and how he would be nothing if it weren't for him.

The reality is Trump endorsed a guy that was aligned with him politically and was a strong ally on Russiagate, thus he helped out Trump long before Trump helped him.

The point is that it is more exaggeration at best or flat out lying by Trump.

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Two of Trump's eleven rallies in the past week leading up to Election Day were in Florida stumping for DeSantis and Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott, Florida's sitting governor.

"In Ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy but he runs one of the worst, one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country," Trump said of Gillum's record as Tallahassee mayor at Saturday's rally in Pensacola, Fla. "He's not doing the job. You don't want to have him running Florida."

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Not just endorsing. Holding one of his rallies.

Do you really think two Trump rallies in Florida about DeSantis had no influence on an election that was won by 34,000 votes? Had Trump just "endorsed" DeSantis, he would not have won that close of an election. There is really no denying that.

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One more. Trump had low popularity in the '18 Cycle and he lost seats. Now that happens for lots of Presidents in the Mid Term but the point is it wasn't like it was this amazing coronation for Trump to endorse him. In fact in what was a very Purple Florida it could have gone either way.

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He did lose seats, but the narrative that his approval rating was low was just that. And yes, media bashing hurt his approval rating, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the narrative. Hell, here is a Vox article talking about "improving popularity" of Trump before the mid-terms

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But while support for Republicans has increased slightly since September, it doesn't seem to be spiking as Trump's approval ratings improve. One item that could help to explain the disconnect is the fact that many voters said they don't consider their midterm decisions to be tied to their feelings about Trump. Twenty-nine percent of registered voters said their votes were meant to send a signal of support to Trump, 33 percent said it was meant to signal opposition, and 36 percent said it's not a message either way on the president.

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Can't get more liberal than Vox.

By October 2018, Trump's approval rating was up to 47%. Extremely high.

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47% isn't "extremely high", it was "extremely high" for Trump because that was around his high water mark.

An "extremely high" approval rating is 60% or above where Obama, Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan all spent significant amounts of time. 50% or above is solid. 45-50% means you are in danger of losing re-election. Below 45% means you are likely to lose re-election.

That's just basic political science.

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Despite the relentless negative mainstream media coverage, Trump's approval rating with the American public continues to soar to historic levels.

In the same week Trump was falsley accused of "treason" by hysterical left-wing journalists and Democrats, Trump's approval rating moved up another 3 points.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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Trump has gone on and on about how he saved DeSantis and DeSantis begged him to endorse him and how he would be nothing if it weren't for him.

The reality is Trump endorsed a guy that was aligned with him politically and was a strong ally on Russiagate, thus he helped out Trump long before Trump helped him.

The point is that it is more exaggeration at best or flat out lying by Trump.

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Two of Trump's eleven rallies in the past week leading up to Election Day were in Florida stumping for DeSantis and Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott, Florida's sitting governor.

"In Ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy but he runs one of the worst, one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country," Trump said of Gillum's record as Tallahassee mayor at Saturday's rally in Pensacola, Fla. "He's not doing the job. You don't want to have him running Florida."

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Not just endorsing. Holding one of his rallies.

Do you really think two Trump rallies in Florida about DeSantis had no influence on an election that was won by 34,000 votes? Had Trump just "endorsed" DeSantis, he would not have won that close of an election. There is really no denying that.

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You keep saying opinions and pretending they are facts. It's your opinion that just a normal trump endorsement wouldn't have been enough to get DeSantis elected. It's my opinion there were also thousands of voters who didn't want to vote for DeSantis becuase they hated trump. Neither of these are facts or provable absent data to back them up.

What is a fact is that DeSantis won Miami after trump lost it and turned a state that had been pretty purple into a complete republican domination in 2022.

Does Trump actually believe what he is saying or not? Does he really think Desantis is one of the worst governors?

You have to deal with that. There are 2 options:

• Yes - Someone who has run Florida in a very positive direction on so many fronts, including reversing the inroads woke-ism has made into the fabric of education and government, is the worst governor in the US? A group that includes Newsom, Whitmer, etc? That concerns me as to his judgement, does it not concern you?
• No- So Trump is willing to make major points about people that he doesn't actually believe, so he is just spouting BS for marketing purposes? Then what is it that he says that he actually believes? How can we tell which is the real and what is made up bull ***** And why is it that he is willing to sacrifice other leading conservatives just so he can win an election?

You are fine with those things? You want that in the person to lead the best and most powerful country in the world? At some point you have to say "this has gone too far"

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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Trump has gone on and on about how he saved DeSantis and DeSantis begged him to endorse him and how he would be nothing if it weren't for him.

The reality is Trump endorsed a guy that was aligned with him politically and was a strong ally on Russiagate, thus he helped out Trump long before Trump helped him.

The point is that it is more exaggeration at best or flat out lying by Trump.

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Two of Trump's eleven rallies in the past week leading up to Election Day were in Florida stumping for DeSantis and Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott, Florida's sitting governor.

"In Ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy but he runs one of the worst, one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country," Trump said of Gillum's record as Tallahassee mayor at Saturday's rally in Pensacola, Fla. "He's not doing the job. You don't want to have him running Florida."

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Not just endorsing. Holding one of his rallies.

Do you really think two Trump rallies in Florida about DeSantis had no influence on an election that was won by 34,000 votes? Had Trump just "endorsed" DeSantis, he would not have won that close of an election. There is really no denying that.

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You keep saying opinions and pretending they are facts. It's your opinion that just a normal trump endorsement wouldn't have been enough to get DeSantis elected. It's my opinion there were also thousands of voters who didn't want to vote for DeSantis becuase they hated trump. Neither of these are facts or provable absent data to back them up.

What is a fact is that DeSantis won Miami after trump lost it and turned a state that had been pretty purple into a complete republican domination in 2022.

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Trump's policies were a huge hit with minorities and working class Americans. His jobs first policies brought millions to the Republican party. MILLIONS. This is an actual fact.

Another fact? In 2018, Trump's approval rating among Republicans was around 90%. This hatred of Trump was certainly a narrative from the media, but it was not reality among Republican voters.

Yes, it's my OPINION that this gave DeSantis 35,000 more votes due to Trump's support. it's a very logical assumption based on the actual facts above.

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Does he really think Desantis is one of the worst governors?

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Got a link? I've not seen that.

Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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One more. Trump had low popularity in the '18 Cycle and he lost seats. Now that happens for lots of Presidents in the Mid Term but the point is it wasn't like it was this amazing coronation for Trump to endorse him. In fact in what was a very Purple Florida it could have gone either way.

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He did lose seats, but the narrative that his approval rating was low was just that. And yes, media bashing hurt his approval rating, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the narrative. Hell, here is a Vox article talking about "improving popularity" of Trump before the mid-terms

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But while support for Republicans has increased slightly since September, it doesn't seem to be spiking as Trump's approval ratings improve. One item that could help to explain the disconnect is the fact that many voters said they don't consider their midterm decisions to be tied to their feelings about Trump. Twenty-nine percent of registered voters said their votes were meant to send a signal of support to Trump, 33 percent said it was meant to signal opposition, and 36 percent said it's not a message either way on the president.

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Can't get more liberal than Vox.

By October 2018, Trump's approval rating was up to 47%. Extremely high.

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47% isn't "extremely high", it was "extremely high" for Trump because that was around his high water mark.

An "extremely high" approval rating is 60% or above where Obama, Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan all spent significant amounts of time. 50% or above is solid. 45-50% means you are in danger of losing re-election. Below 45% means you are likely to lose re-election.

That's just basic political science.

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Despite the relentless negative mainstream media coverage, Trump's approval rating with the American public continues to soar to historic levels.

In the same week Trump was falsley accused of "treason" by hysterical left-wing journalists and Democrats, Trump's approval rating moved up another 3 points.

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So several months before the election (July is a long way from November) he hit his high water mark at 47%. Great, it still is mediocre compared to Presidential approval historically. Trump doing well compared to Trump isn't the same as Trump doing well compared to everyone else.

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Another History Lesson. Trump's endorsed DeSantis because he was one of the first and always one of the most loyal defenders of Trump in Russia Collusion 1.0. He was in the Freedom Caucus and called out the BS. DeSantis ran against the Ag Commissioner from Florida. Who the hell do you think Trump was going to endorse in that race?

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He was going to endorse DeSantis. Duh. Not sure what your point is.

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Trump has gone on and on about how he saved DeSantis and DeSantis begged him to endorse him and how he would be nothing if it weren't for him.

The reality is Trump endorsed a guy that was aligned with him politically and was a strong ally on Russiagate, thus he helped out Trump long before Trump helped him.

The point is that it is more exaggeration at best or flat out lying by Trump.

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Two of Trump's eleven rallies in the past week leading up to Election Day were in Florida stumping for DeSantis and Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott, Florida's sitting governor.

"In Ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy but he runs one of the worst, one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country," Trump said of Gillum's record as Tallahassee mayor at Saturday's rally in Pensacola, Fla. "He's not doing the job. You don't want to have him running Florida."

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Not just endorsing. Holding one of his rallies.

Do you really think two Trump rallies in Florida about DeSantis had no influence on an election that was won by 34,000 votes? Had Trump just "endorsed" DeSantis, he would not have won that close of an election. There is really no denying that.

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Holding a couple rallies was nice. Of course they were for 2 candidates Trump endorsed and very much to Trump's benefit to win those seats in a Purple state like Florida.

That said my point wasn't that Trump's endorsement and support helped, of course it did. My point was how Trump acts as though he picked DeSantis from obscurity because he begged him to do it which is totally false.

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

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Now do 2022.

Drahknor03 said:

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Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

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Now do 2022.

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Do you mean when trump's hand picked senate candidate lost in a state where a republican who stood up to trump dominated the governor's race? That 2022?

Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

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and yet strangely, you leave out THE MOST RECENT ELECTIONS

where Trump candidates were boat raced all over the country

I'm sure it was just an inadvertent oversight on your part.

Science Denier said:

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Does he really think Desantis is one of the worst governors?

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Got a link? I've not seen that.

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Here's one where he calls him an average governor, for a Republican.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/110069073612714535

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Now that Ron DeSanctimonious is finally admitting he's in the Race by beginning to fight back, and now that his Polls have crashed so he has no other choice, let me explain the facts. He is, for a Republican, an average Governor, he got 1.2 million less Votes in Florida than me, he fought for massive cuts in Social Security and Medicare, and wanted Social Security minimum age to be raised to 70-years-old, or more. He is a disciple of Paul Ryan, and did whatever Ryan told him to do…

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He's been more focused on the possible indictment of late. This looks like his only recent sally against DeSantis:

https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/110091306052849419

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Ron DeSanctimonious is being CRUSHED in the polls, all of them. Many GLOBALISTS are having second thoughts. RINO'S Karl Rove, Pauline Ryan and Jeb, "Low Energy" Bush, are beside themselves. They have rarely witnessed a CRATERING of this magnitude. Maybe they should have told Ron that trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare, three times, is not a good thing to do. ALSO, his record on the China Virus, Crime, and Education is, despite his ever spinning P.R. Machine, ABYSMAL!!! 71-17 anyone?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Drahknor03 said:

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Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

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Now do 2022.

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Do you mean when trump's hand picked senate candidate lost in a state where a republican who stood up to trump dominated the governor's race? That 2022?

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I believe that was the midterm I was talking about, yes.

Faustus said:

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Science Denier said:

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Does he really think Desantis is one of the worst governors?

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Got a link? I've not seen that.

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Here's one where he calls him an average governor, for a Republican.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/110069073612714535

Quote:

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Now that Ron DeSanctimonious is finally admitting he's in the Race by beginning to fight back, and now that his Polls have crashed so he has no other choice, let me explain the facts. He is, for a Republican, an average Governor, he got 1.2 million less Votes in Florida than me, he fought for massive cuts in Social Security and Medicare, and wanted Social Security minimum age to be raised to 70-years-old, or more. He is a disciple of Paul Ryan, and did whatever Ryan told him to do…

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He's been more focused on the possible indictment of late. This looks like his only recent sally against DeSantis:

https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/110091306052849419

Quote:

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Ron DeSanctimonious is being CRUSHED in the polls, all of them. Many GLOBALISTS are having second thoughts. RINO'S Karl Rove, Pauline Ryan and Jeb, "Low Energy" Bush, are beside themselves. They have rarely witnessed a CRATERING of this magnitude. Maybe they should have told Ron that trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare, three times, is not a good thing to do. ALSO, his record on the China Virus, Crime, and Education is, despite his ever spinning P.R. Machine, ABYSMAL!!! 71-17 anyone?

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So the answer is no. He's never said he's one of the worst governors.

Didn't think so.

LMCane said:

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Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018 because of Trump

DeSantis barely wins when other Republicans are defeated all across the country

wow- Trump is so great!!

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Republicans were wiped out in 2018?

LOL. Every midterm goes against the sitting president.

2018, midterms, Senate went +1 for Democrats
2014 midterms, Senate went +8 for Republicans
2010 midterms, Senate went +5 for Republicans
2006 midterms, Senate went +7 for Democrats

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and yet strangely, you leave out THE MOST RECENT ELECTIONS

where Trump candidates were boat raced all over the country

I'm sure it was just an inadvertent oversight on your part.

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The one where he's been banned from all social media, and the MSM won't get out his narrative.

Ok. Nice.

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/massive-pre-dawn-lines-form-in-waco-tx-this-morning-for-historic-trump-rally-ted-nugent-announces-i-will-unleash-a-fire-breathing-star-spangled-banner/

Honest question: will DeSantis have campaign rallies and will he have thousands attend like Trump?

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Scary thing it Biden didnt and still won.

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Biden had tens at his rallies but 81 million at the ballot box?

I'll never believe that bull*****

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Trump is no Patton and DeSantis isn't Bradley.

Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Ice Man. Love me some Maverick but Ice Man won the Top Gun trophy and ended up the Admiral.

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Desantis is financed and backed by the very same establishment Trump is fighting against.

Trump has my vote. The establishment can kiss my ass.

Fox pundits appear to be taking sides.

Today on Kudlow, two politically savvy guests said DeSantis is "an uninspiring speaker," "a poor debater, "has no international relations experience," and "needs to wait four years." Kudlow, whom I perceive to be a Trump supporter, remained silent.

Last night on "the Next Revolution" show, Steve Hilton wrecked DeSantis for his Ukraine "territorial dispute" gaffe.

If the private messages between Hannity and Ingraham stating hatred and disdain, respectively, for Trump are true, they may be cheerleaders for DeSantis.

It will be interesting.

aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Trump is no Patton and DeSantis isn't Bradley.

Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Ice Man. Love me some Maverick but Ice Man won the Top Gun trophy and ended up the Admiral.

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Trump is the spitting image of Patton, physically and mentally

Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Trump is no Patton and DeSantis isn't Bradley.

Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Ice Man. Love me some Maverick but Ice Man won the Top Gun trophy and ended up the Admiral.

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Trump is the spitting image of Patton, physically and mentally

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You're honestly trying to claim that a man who was literally too scared to go to war is the identical mirror image of one of the greatest generals in American military history.

Now its clear you're just a troll. You took it one step too far. You should have quit while you were ahead.

AgBandsman said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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aggie93 said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Biden was so smart in keeping his rally attendance very low. This was the secret to his success. I remember the pictures of his attendees, 8 or 10 of them, Covid spaced around him in the yard. Brilliant strategy. Everybody felt so sorry for his pitiful turnouts that they could hardly wait to get down to vote for him. *81,000,000. Excuse me, "hardly wait to have their NGO ballots harvested by the mules."

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Actually you are kind of making the point, just not how you expected. Biden didn't care about events or issues, he spent all his resources on lawyers to get election laws that were favorable and on harvesting votes. Trump had big rallies to make people get excited but didn't organize that into a true grass roots campaign.

It's about winning in the end not about who deserved to win or who played fair.

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Yes, I most certainly was making your point.

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Problem is Trump hasn't learned though. He used his event in Waco to sell Commemorative Knives and turn off voters by bashing DeSantis instead of building an organization to GOTV. Trump might say he is going to get into ballot harvesting but he isn't actually doing anything.

He isn't even doing the obvious things like going to Wisconsin and pushing for Justice Kelly. It's an easy W for him especially because DeSantis would look awkward doing so since he hasn't officially announced yet. He really screwed the pooch by not supporting Dhillon over McDaniel for RNC Chair which was a clear case of different styles (Grass roots and beat the Dems at their own game vs RINO Consultants and expensive Ad buys combined with sending the same donors 500 pieces of mail with idiotic language asking them for more money.

DeSantis gets it and has proven he gets it because of how he has won Florida and how he wasn't afraid to back Dhillon even though she was in an uphill battle. He is insanely well organized and knows how to win.

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I like DeSantis a lot. I just think we need a Patton or a MacArthur instead of an Omar Bradley right now

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Trump is no Patton and DeSantis isn't Bradley.

Trump is Maverick and DeSantis is Ice Man. Love me some Maverick but Ice Man won the Top Gun trophy and ended up the Admiral.

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Desantis is financed and backed by the very same establishment Trump is fighting against.

Trump has my vote. The establishment can kiss my ass.

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He's not though. Trump OTOH just pushed to get McDaniel (Romney) re-elected as RNC Chair while DeSantis endorsed Dhillon. McDaniel is about as Swamp as they come while Dhillon is about as grass roots as they come and is all about fighting the legal battles we need on voting laws with Dems that have been killing us in the last few cycles. Trump opened up his South Carolina campaign arm in arm with Lindsay Graham. It always amazes me how Trump folks forget he endorsed Mitt Romney for Senate in '18, he glowed about Ryan until he left, and on and on. Trump takes hypocrisy to insane levels when he tries to call DeSantis a RINO, hell all his attacks are to his LEFT on policy.

Outside of Trump acolytes saying "DeSantis is a Jeb Bush/Karl Rove RINO!" there is nothing there. He hasn't appeared with any of them. They aren't a part of his campaign team Do they want him over Trump? Probably, but they absolutely despise Trump for what he did to Jeb among many other things and will support anyone against him. Look at the record and results don't listen to paid pundits.

Look at DeSantis' record in Florida, it's easily the best and most conservative in the country. He racks up W's like no one else.