Waco Is Trump Country

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PA24 said:

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.
He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.


That gives me pause on DeSantis.
I think deep down most DeSantis backers know this and simply don't care.





If he's a Bush plant then I hope they back more people bc what he has done in FL to fight the leftist and globalist woke cancer is downright remarkable. Something all-talk Trump, pro-lockdown, vax loving Trump could only dream of doing.
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PA24 said:

aggiehawg said:

ts5641 said:

Bryanisbest said:

As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.
He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.


That gives me pause on DeSantis.
I think deep down most DeSantis backers know this and simply don't care.




Yeah, the guy that was part of taking down John Boehner, had zero establishment endorsements in his first campaign, was one of the members first of Congress to push back on the FBI Russiagate narrative, went toe to toe with Disney and won, is despised by the BlackRock Chamber of Commerce, is forcing the libs in his pension board to divest from ESG and China, and flipped the bird to the DOJ on election fortification is a Bush plant.
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At this point, despite all the evidence to the contrary, many of you are just dying for any excuse not to vote for Desantis and still cling on to Trump.
You are barking up the wrong tree with me. I was a solid Cruz voter in 2016 and was very very slow to come around to Trump before the general. I considered 2016 an election between the evils of two lessers. And in 2016, Rove and the Bushes supported Hillary. That alone should give everyone pause.

And quite frankly, I wish Trump would just go away for awhile. I dislike Rubio because he was a McCain stooge. The company you keep as political bedfellows matter. Cruz and Lee appear to stay above the fray and stay true to their principles more so than other politicians. I would prefer to see them make a run.

But I am open to DeSantis winning me over, if he really wants to run an actual campaign.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/massive-pre-dawn-lines-form-in-waco-tx-this-morning-for-historic-trump-rally-ted-nugent-announces-i-will-unleash-a-fire-breathing-star-spangled-banner/

Honest question: will DeSantis have campaign rallies and will he have thousands attend like Trump?
Genuinely sad you are simping for Trump, let alone using…Waco as a justifying point.
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Actions speak louder than words and the actions I've seen DeSantis do in Florida speak VOLUMES. Please show me where Bush governed as conservatively in Texas as Ron has in Florida. Yes, I understand different times but when I look back at W's time as POTUS it could just as easily have been Clinton or Obama, really just uniparty government.

I also admire that DeSantis has done almost all of his work in Florida through the legislation, and not by fiat. I really think he's our best choice to govern this country and steer it back on course.

Does anyone seriously think Trump (if he could even make it back to the White House) could enact his agenda? They would start up impeachment trials and it would go back to the chaos of his last 18 months in office.
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aggiehawg said:

ts5641 said:

Bryanisbest said:

As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.
He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.


That gives me pause on DeSantis.
So we should just take Mark Simone's (who is a Trump shill) word for it?
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Cruz's former presidential campaign chair is running a DeSantis super PAC.
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Bryanisbest said:

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Beto sure won big because of his rallies.



This comment above is again in line with overall theme of this thread: "Big rallies mean candidate will lose." Ridiculous!


It means rallies frankly don't mean **** either way. Otherwise, Bernie would have been the Dem nominee in 2016 and 2020 and Beto would have crushed Cruz. It means there is enthusiasm with a base but doesn't have much baring on the population as a whole.
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In a recent interview, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush expressed his enthusiastic hope that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. This statement was viewed widely as an implicit endorsement of DeSantis by Jeb. My view is that within the next six months, Jeb will make his endorsement of DeSantis explicit.

Full disclosure: I proudly served in the Presidential administration of George W. Bush, known commonly as Bush 43. For all practical purposes, I have left the Republican Party, due to its hostile takeover by the MAGA movement, whose core philosophy is the Pat Buchanan creed of xenophobia,
authoritarianism, and racism, as translated by Donald Trump. The Bushes are not in any way adherents to the MAGA creed, but they refuse to leave the one-time party of Lincoln because it is their historical inheritance.

I retain a loyalty to the Bush family, but I will not follow Jeb's lead in supporting DeSantis. I have written at length about the appallingly racist nature of the DeSantis messaging. Yet I understand fully why the Bush family, who are not in any way racist or xenophobic will be active supporters of Ron DeSantis for President in 2024.

The Bush family maintains a strong antipathy towards The Donald, which I fully share. Their repugnance of The Donald was heightened by two factors over the past decade.

The first was the abusive way in which Donald Trump treated Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential primary debates. The second was Trump's endorsement for reelection of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in the Republican primary of 2022 over George P. Bush, son of Jeb Bush and former Texas Land Commissioner. The endorsement played a critical role in the Paxton victory over the Bush family political scion.

George P. Bush, 47, had been viewed as a strong Texas political prospect prior to the 2022 primary. He had actually sought to ingratiate himself with Donald Trump by entering the primary in 2021 with a video that praised Trump and did not mention his own father, grandfather, (President George H. W. Bush), or great-grandfather (Connecticut US Senator Prescott Bush). The Donald Trump endorsement was a cruel rebuff of George P., severely damaging his future political prospects.

In Ron DeSantis, the Bush family can endorse a candidate with a strong likelihood of victory over Donald Trump. Even a growing percentage of MAGA voters want to move beyond The Donald. They see him as a likely loser in view of the increasing possibility of his indictment. All this is having a deleterious impact on Trump's fundraising, and The Donald will never use his own money for a political campaign.

The major problem for DeSantis is that his racist messaging will make it difficult for non-MAGA Republican voters in blue states to support him. This group includes a substantial number of major GOP fundraisers and donors. They definitely will not support Trump, but the racist messaging of DeSantis gives them pause. By contrast, this racist messaging is a major political asset for DeSantis in the red states.
FWIW.

LINK
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BoydCrowder13 said:

Bryanisbest said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

Beto sure won big because of his rallies.



This comment above is again in line with overall theme of this thread: "Big rallies mean candidate will lose." Ridiculous!


It means rallies frankly don't mean **** either way. Otherwise, Bernie would have been the Dem nominee in 2016 and 2020 and Beto would have crushed Cruz. It means there is enthusiasm with a base but doesn't have much baring on the population as a whole.
This.

Elections are not won and lost on the size of rallies. They are won and lost on organization. Rallies get you news headlines and exposure, which is important, but organization gets you votes in the ballot boxes.
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aggiehawg said:

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In a recent interview, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush expressed his enthusiastic hope that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. This statement was viewed widely as an implicit endorsement of DeSantis by Jeb. My view is that within the next six months, Jeb will make his endorsement of DeSantis explicit.

Full disclosure: I proudly served in the Presidential administration of George W. Bush, known commonly as Bush 43. For all practical purposes, I have left the Republican Party, due to its hostile takeover by the MAGA movement, whose core philosophy is the Pat Buchanan creed of xenophobia,
authoritarianism, and racism, as translated by Donald Trump. The Bushes are not in any way adherents to the MAGA creed, but they refuse to leave the one-time party of Lincoln because it is their historical inheritance.

I retain a loyalty to the Bush family, but I will not follow Jeb's lead in supporting DeSantis. I have written at length about the appallingly racist nature of the DeSantis messaging. Yet I understand fully why the Bush family, who are not in any way racist or xenophobic will be active supporters of Ron DeSantis for President in 2024.

The Bush family maintains a strong antipathy towards The Donald, which I fully share. Their repugnance of The Donald was heightened by two factors over the past decade.

The first was the abusive way in which Donald Trump treated Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential primary debates. The second was Trump's endorsement for reelection of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in the Republican primary of 2022 over George P. Bush, son of Jeb Bush and former Texas Land Commissioner. The endorsement played a critical role in the Paxton victory over the Bush family political scion.

George P. Bush, 47, had been viewed as a strong Texas political prospect prior to the 2022 primary. He had actually sought to ingratiate himself with Donald Trump by entering the primary in 2021 with a video that praised Trump and did not mention his own father, grandfather, (President George H. W. Bush), or great-grandfather (Connecticut US Senator Prescott Bush). The Donald Trump endorsement was a cruel rebuff of George P., severely damaging his future political prospects.

In Ron DeSantis, the Bush family can endorse a candidate with a strong likelihood of victory over Donald Trump. Even a growing percentage of MAGA voters want to move beyond The Donald. They see him as a likely loser in view of the increasing possibility of his indictment. All this is having a deleterious impact on Trump's fundraising, and The Donald will never use his own money for a political campaign.

The major problem for DeSantis is that his racist messaging will make it difficult for non-MAGA Republican voters in blue states to support him. This group includes a substantial number of major GOP fundraisers and donors. They definitely will not support Trump, but the racist messaging of DeSantis gives them pause. By contrast, this racist messaging is a major political asset for DeSantis in the red states.
FWIW.

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This doesn't really prove anything.

Jeb Bush likes DeSantis. So what? They are both Republicans and both Florida Governors. I would expect nothing less. That does not mean he's actively involved in his campaign (if there even is a campaign, he hasn't even announced yet)
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zephyr88 said:

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Biden didn't "win"
Get ready for him to "not win" again.

The dems will lie, cheat and steal like no other.

They literally don't give a sheet about the rules, the laws, etc.

All the care about is power and they will do anything/everything to get it or keep it.
Sadly, I think you're right.

But, let's hope not.
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Jeb Bush likes DeSantis. So what? They are both Republicans and both Florida Governors. I would expect nothing less. That does not mean he's actively involved in his campaign (if there even is a campaign, he hasn't even announced yet)
You know, I wasn't watching it too closely at the time, but I got the sense that Jeb Bush was actually a pretty good governor for Florida. When he came into the presidential race, though, I think he was banking too much on him, being a Bush and kind of skating through some of it, and then he just came across like such a big dork during the campaign. He was out of it before he even realized it. Then ad in all the bad blood from Trump and you had the Bushes voting for Hillary, (or not voting) which is really unforgivable.
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So was Charlie Crist. He was a Republican governor too, until he switched parties.

I just find the hypocrisy of the king makers believing they are entitled to be the only ones who get to decide who runs for President or Governor, such as the McCain Machine in Arizona.
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aggiehawg said:

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In a recent interview, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush expressed his enthusiastic hope that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. This statement was viewed widely as an implicit endorsement of DeSantis by Jeb. My view is that within the next six months, Jeb will make his endorsement of DeSantis explicit.

Full disclosure: I proudly served in the Presidential administration of George W. Bush, known commonly as Bush 43. For all practical purposes, I have left the Republican Party, due to its hostile takeover by the MAGA movement, whose core philosophy is the Pat Buchanan creed of xenophobia,
authoritarianism, and racism, as translated by Donald Trump. The Bushes are not in any way adherents to the MAGA creed, but they refuse to leave the one-time party of Lincoln because it is their historical inheritance.

I retain a loyalty to the Bush family, but I will not follow Jeb's lead in supporting DeSantis. I have written at length about the appallingly racist nature of the DeSantis messaging. Yet I understand fully why the Bush family, who are not in any way racist or xenophobic will be active supporters of Ron DeSantis for President in 2024.

The Bush family maintains a strong antipathy towards The Donald, which I fully share. Their repugnance of The Donald was heightened by two factors over the past decade.

The first was the abusive way in which Donald Trump treated Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential primary debates. The second was Trump's endorsement for reelection of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in the Republican primary of 2022 over George P. Bush, son of Jeb Bush and former Texas Land Commissioner. The endorsement played a critical role in the Paxton victory over the Bush family political scion.

George P. Bush, 47, had been viewed as a strong Texas political prospect prior to the 2022 primary. He had actually sought to ingratiate himself with Donald Trump by entering the primary in 2021 with a video that praised Trump and did not mention his own father, grandfather, (President George H. W. Bush), or great-grandfather (Connecticut US Senator Prescott Bush). The Donald Trump endorsement was a cruel rebuff of George P., severely damaging his future political prospects.

In Ron DeSantis, the Bush family can endorse a candidate with a strong likelihood of victory over Donald Trump. Even a growing percentage of MAGA voters want to move beyond The Donald. They see him as a likely loser in view of the increasing possibility of his indictment. All this is having a deleterious impact on Trump's fundraising, and The Donald will never use his own money for a political campaign.

The major problem for DeSantis is that his racist messaging will make it difficult for non-MAGA Republican voters in blue states to support him. This group includes a substantial number of major GOP fundraisers and donors. They definitely will not support Trump, but the racist messaging of DeSantis gives them pause. By contrast, this racist messaging is a major political asset for DeSantis in the red states.
FWIW.

LINK
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"Systemic racism" is the analysis, supported by massive evidence, that racism is not just a product of bigoted individuals, but instead is systemic in the nation's institutions, which function to maintain the dominance of white people in society. This analysis emphasizes that racism is embedded in our societal and governmental system, rather than a product of inherently evil white individuals. Critical race theory is the academic study of systemic racism.

The systemic racism analysis is virtually universally accepted and supported throughout American academia, including by the Brookings Institute, which, while having a center-left orientation, is hardly a politically progressive entity. Yet Ron DeSantis, for his part, has explicitly denied that systemic racism existscharacterizing the notion as "a bunch of horse manure" and critical race theory as a. "Marxist ideology."
So the above is what he uses to "prove" DeSantis is a racist. Give me a break. So this guy endorses CRT, tells me all I need to know. I guess I'm a racist too because I think CRT is crippling to black youths by telling them they have no chance and why even bother trying while telling white kids they're all racists by simply being born white. **** this guy.
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NY RINOs
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aggiehawg said:

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In a recent interview, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush expressed his enthusiastic hope that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will seek the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. This statement was viewed widely as an implicit endorsement of DeSantis by Jeb. My view is that within the next six months, Jeb will make his endorsement of DeSantis explicit.

Full disclosure: I proudly served in the Presidential administration of George W. Bush, known commonly as Bush 43. For all practical purposes, I have left the Republican Party, due to its hostile takeover by the MAGA movement, whose core philosophy is the Pat Buchanan creed of xenophobia,
authoritarianism, and racism, as translated by Donald Trump. The Bushes are not in any way adherents to the MAGA creed, but they refuse to leave the one-time party of Lincoln because it is their historical inheritance.

I retain a loyalty to the Bush family, but I will not follow Jeb's lead in supporting DeSantis. I have written at length about the appallingly racist nature of the DeSantis messaging. Yet I understand fully why the Bush family, who are not in any way racist or xenophobic will be active supporters of Ron DeSantis for President in 2024.

The Bush family maintains a strong antipathy towards The Donald, which I fully share. Their repugnance of The Donald was heightened by two factors over the past decade.

The first was the abusive way in which Donald Trump treated Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential primary debates. The second was Trump's endorsement for reelection of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton in the Republican primary of 2022 over George P. Bush, son of Jeb Bush and former Texas Land Commissioner. The endorsement played a critical role in the Paxton victory over the Bush family political scion.

George P. Bush, 47, had been viewed as a strong Texas political prospect prior to the 2022 primary. He had actually sought to ingratiate himself with Donald Trump by entering the primary in 2021 with a video that praised Trump and did not mention his own father, grandfather, (President George H. W. Bush), or great-grandfather (Connecticut US Senator Prescott Bush). The Donald Trump endorsement was a cruel rebuff of George P., severely damaging his future political prospects.

In Ron DeSantis, the Bush family can endorse a candidate with a strong likelihood of victory over Donald Trump. Even a growing percentage of MAGA voters want to move beyond The Donald. They see him as a likely loser in view of the increasing possibility of his indictment. All this is having a deleterious impact on Trump's fundraising, and The Donald will never use his own money for a political campaign.

The major problem for DeSantis is that his racist messaging will make it difficult for non-MAGA Republican voters in blue states to support him. This group includes a substantial number of major GOP fundraisers and donors. They definitely will not support Trump, but the racist messaging of DeSantis gives them pause. By contrast, this racist messaging is a major political asset for DeSantis in the red states.
FWIW.

LINK
So essentially the Bush's are supporting DeSantis because they hate Trump and the main source of that is still how he treated Jeb and later George P. They don't love DeSantis but they prefer him to Trump and they realize he has the best chance of winning and isn't a Democrat.

I have never heard DeSantis even mention Bush's name and he may have a photo or two out there with a Bush in the frame considering Jeb was a 2 term Governor of Florida and lives there but that's about it. He has no Bush people in his inner circle or even a couple layers out from what I can tell, at least no one who is a true Bush protege. For instance technically Ted Cruz is a "Bush" guy because he got his start as a part of the 1st Bush Admin and was a big supporter back then. I don't thin anyone with a brain sees Cruz as a "Bush guy" now though I don't think Cruz goes out of his way to insult the Bush's.

I understand your skepticism on DeSantis and I view it as a good thing, you should be skeptical about every politician. They all try to present an image to you and they all have flaws. I think as you look more closely at DeSantis those reservations will be overcome as that is what happened for me. The more I hear the more I like. The more I research what he has actually done and HOW he has done it I am stronger in his corner. He has a LOT of Ted Cruz in him policy wise and he also was the rare conservative who went to Ivy League schools as an "infiltrator" and learned how the elites operate. He has been smart about how he built his career and very careful in his private life, honestly more careful than Cruz which is a damn high bar.

The biggest thing that impresses me though is he is very smart in how he chooses his battles and has a strategy to win. As I know you are an attorney I think you will find his approach fascinating, he has a deep understanding of the law and that makes him so much more effective than most politicians. He knows exactly what powers he has as Governor and what he can do and what he can't. He knows exactly how to use executive action combined with legislation to achieve his goals. He plays offense and keeps his enemies off balance but he also plays outstanding defense by not leaving himself exposed and by insisting that anyone who works for him will not leak to the press and he has zero hesitation to fire someone if they are pushing a separate agenda.

I encourage you to keep listening to him and research him, I think you will be very impressed the more you look. Realize right now you have a lot of folks trying to tear him down as well because he terrifies them. If DeSantis can do what he did in Florida to the entire country it would be a bigger "disaster" for the Left than Reagan was in 1980.
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So the above is what he uses to "prove" DeSantis is a racist. Give me a break. So this guy endorses CRT, tells me all I need to know. I guess I'm a racist too because I think CRT is crippling to black youths by telling them they have no chance and why even bother trying while telling white kids they're all racists by simply being born white. **** this guy.
People are misconstruing my point here. I have reservations on anyone any of the Bushes support. Not a fan of political dynasties. And they don't get to paint everyone with the racist brush as they appear wont to do. A candidate should be able to disagree on a policy position without being called names.

Nor do I like politicians who flip flop. The "read my lips" pledge of GHWB sunk him in 1992.
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Prospe said:

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"Systemic racism" is the analysis, supported by massive evidence, that racism is not just a product of bigoted individuals, but instead is systemic in the nation's institutions, which function to maintain the dominance of white people in society. This analysis emphasizes that racism is embedded in our societal and governmental system, rather than a product of inherently evil white individuals. Critical race theory is the academic study of systemic racism.

The systemic racism analysis is virtually universally accepted and supported throughout American academia, including by the Brookings Institute, which, while having a center-left orientation, is hardly a politically progressive entity. Yet Ron DeSantis, for his part, has explicitly denied that systemic racism existscharacterizing the notion as "a bunch of horse manure" and critical race theory as a. "Marxist ideology."
So the above is what he uses to "prove" DeSantis is a racist. Give me a break. So this guy endorses CRT, tells me all I need to know. I guess I'm a racist too because I think CRT is crippling to black youths by telling them they have no chance and why even bother trying while telling white kids they're all racists by simply being born white. **** this guy.
CRT is literally Marxist ideology. All of its roots are in Marxism and it's strongest advocates are Marxists. That's not really debatable.

Systemic racism was also outlawed long ago. Systemic literally requires legal foundation to be systemic. The only "legal" racism is against whites and asians, at least until we see the results of the current SC case.
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aggiehawg said:

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So the above is what he uses to "prove" DeSantis is a racist. Give me a break. So this guy endorses CRT, tells me all I need to know. I guess I'm a racist too because I think CRT is crippling to black youths by telling them they have no chance and why even bother trying while telling white kids they're all racists by simply being born white. **** this guy.
People are misconstruing my point here. I have reservations on anyone any of the Bushes support. Not a fan of political dynasties. And they don't get to paint everyone with the racist brush as they appear wont to do. A candidate should be able to disagree on a policy position without being called names.

Nor do I like politicians who flip flop. The "read my lips" pledge of GHWB sunk him in 1992.
So you have reservations about Trump since George P supported him in 2020?
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So you have reservations about Trump since George P supported him in 2020?
I have always had my reservations about Trump. Wish he would fade away now. But why can I not withhold judgment on DeSantis until we are closer to the primaries and see the field?
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aggiehawg said:

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So the above is what he uses to "prove" DeSantis is a racist. Give me a break. So this guy endorses CRT, tells me all I need to know. I guess I'm a racist too because I think CRT is crippling to black youths by telling them they have no chance and why even bother trying while telling white kids they're all racists by simply being born white. **** this guy.
People are misconstruing my point here. I have reservations on anyone any of the Bushes support. Not a fan of political dynasties. And they don't get to paint everyone with the racist brush as they appear wont to do. A candidate should be able to disagree on a policy position without being called names.

Nor do I like politicians who flip flop. The "read my lips" pledge of GHWB sunk him in 1992.
I don't like Jeb at all and I'm with you, I disdain political dynasties (it's one of the reasons we broke away from England) but I'd like to know if Ron sought out Jeb's endorsement or not. If he did that would give me pause because to me the Bush's are all globalists but again, you can't control who supports you unless you actively seek them out.
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You can withhold judgement on him, but Haley or Scott aren't better than DeSantis. Ron's the most conservative available candidate that win the general election.
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aggiehawg said:

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So you have reservations about Trump since George P supported him in 2020?
I have always had my reservations about Trump. Wish he would fade away now. But why can I not withhold judgment on DeSantis until we are closer to the primaries and see the field?
You dont need to wait. You are clearly smart enough to see whats going on now. Plenty of data to form solid opinions regarding DeSantis- solid conservative governing, takes on the woke and wins, is articulate, and destroyed his political opposition in 2022.. I dont get this post at all.

Edit: Piss on the Bushes they are last decades news.
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aggiehawg said:

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So you have reservations about Trump since George P supported him in 2020?
I have always had my reservations about Trump. Wish he would fade away now. But why can I not withhold judgment on DeSantis until we are closer to the primaries and see the field?

Some men are quick to annoit a savior, either out of a need of hope in their imaginations or assuredness that the problem is going to be solved by someone else. Reservations are a direct assault on their dream and as such arent tolerated.

Oddly enough the reservations of Trump were a gift of objectivity in what he did right/wrong that hasn't been seen by a politician in the modern era from their respective party. What went well, copied. What went poorly, rejected. The F16 infatuation with DeSantis precludes any attempt at objectivity. Thus his time at the helm under current view won't be one of growth but stagnation as nothing will be learned for nothing will be challenged.
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aggiehawg said:

So was Charlie Crist. He was a Republican governor too, until he switched parties.

I just find the hypocrisy of the king makers believing they are entitled to be the only ones who get to decide who runs for President or Governor, such as the McCain Machine in Arizona.
That says more about the Bushes than it does about DeSantis. I don't care much for the Bushes either but I'm not going to hold it against DeSantis if the Bushes sing his praises.

If you believe differently then you need to hold it against Trump when David Duke endorsed him.
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You dont need to wait.
I don't need to decide right this minute either. No one does.
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aggiehawg said:

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So you have reservations about Trump since George P supported him in 2020?
I have always had my reservations about Trump. Wish he would fade away now. But why can I not withhold judgment on DeSantis until we are closer to the primaries and see the field?
This. We still need to hear what their policy positions are and how they will do what needs to be done.
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aggiehawg said:

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You dont need to wait.
I don't need to decide right this minute either. No one does.
I agree, but nor should you hold your dislike of the Bushes against DeSantis.
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45-70Ag said:

Trump gets democrats to vote better than any democrat.
And if Biden runs again, you'll likely see them voting Trump in the R primary.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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AggieUSMC said:


Jeb Bush likes DeSantis. So what? They are both Republicans and both Florida Governors. I would expect nothing less. That does not mean he's actively involved in his campaign (if there even is a campaign, he hasn't even announced yet)
i like Desantis. My parents like Desantis. my parents love Bush and consider him to be one of the best presidents. I don't like Bush. we were both iffy on Trump. i voted Allen West. My parents went to fundraisers for Abbott.

sometimes people have some similarly aligned interests that aren't perfectly aligned at all times..
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AggieUSMC said:

aggiehawg said:

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You dont need to wait.
I don't need to decide right this minute either. No one does.
I agree, but nor should you hold your dislike of the Bushes against DeSantis.
Why not? I hold the recipients of Soros money and support against them. Don't trust their agenda. Nor do I trust the agenda of the Bushes and Rove. Is that Ron's agenda? I'm waiting to see more daylight between them on that score.

My saying on F16 is watch which pigs are squealing and what they are squealing about. I pay very little attention to what Trump says anymore, unless it becomes the major story of the week being repeated on loop endlessly.
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B-1 83 said:

45-70Ag said:

Trump gets democrats to vote better than any democrat.
And if Biden runs again, you'll likely see them voting Trump in the R primary.


No matter who the dems run they will definitely be voting trump in states with open primaries. Same thing they did with a number of primaries in 22.
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I'm not a fan of political dynasty's either, so I get it. But I'm a resident of Florida and I've seen firsthand what Desantis is about and how he operates. I've also never once seen any mention of Bush in regards to Desantis until now. So my guess is that the Bushes are simply hopping on the Desantis train as a way to get their revenge on Trump. Plain and simple.

I'm so happy and count my blessings all the time that I was here in Florida during the pandemic. For the most part I lived a normal life the entire time. That was entirely due to Desantis. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what he's done here. He's not just bluster. He's calculated action.

I'm passionate about him for this Pres race because of that. I never claimed he was a savior or infalliable or that he'll never lose my trust. But he's earned it. Trump has lost the trust I once had in him.
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CPAC took Soros money. Mnuchin and Kushner worked for/or were partners with Soros.
 
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