Also, if you support Trump you are fine with lockdowns and having a prez who LOVES the vaccine and is narcissistic and stupid enough to give himself credit for it lol.

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AggieUSMC said:

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Yet he lost the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020.

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Without knowing how many votes were legitimate in 2020, that's hard to say.

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11 million illegitimate votes? I doubt it.

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Overall theme of this thread: big crowds at rallies are a sign you're going to lose. Wait, what ??

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No. big crowds at rallies simply don't necessarily mean you're going to win.

See: Goldwater 1964, McGovern 1972, Trump 2020

I am a Trump supporter, I like DeSantis and would most likely support him in 2028.

He should think twice about going head to head with Trump at this time. Trump will not hold back and could damage his chances in the future

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And heeeeeere we go….

Different answers, but one conclusion: Ron DeSantis is willing to give Putin a free pass at the expense of Ukraine, our allies, and democracy. pic.twitter.com/rFh0MC2PrH

— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) March 25, 2023

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annie,

You come across as awfully defeated before the game starts. This thread has gotten derailed into a General election discussion 20 months from now that no one can predict.

Of course the Dems will do all they can to attack DeSantis. That's not up for debate. The question is how effective will it be. The problem with Trump was he helped the Dems at every turn with his personal behavior and style combined with vebal gaffes. He was an incredibly undisciplined campaigner and made himself into an easy target.

DeSantis is the opposite of Trump on all those issues. While they will come after him the problem is when he responds he won't sound like an idiot and scream "Fake News!" at anyone that accuses him of something while coming up with a personal insult to add on. DeSantis is quick on his feet and has an incredible ability to recall facts and figures to destroy questions. He is also very careful to keep it professional and never gets personal.

In Florida they have come after him HARD. He had "blood on his hands" for re-opening Florida and they ran daily stories about him, all of which backfired. They came after him with "Don't say gay" and got Disney involved and he kicked Disney in the teeth by taking away their tax exemptions and they lost $40 Billion and fired their CEO. He humiliated every reporter that questioned him about "Don't say gay" by asking them where it says that in the Bill and then explaining exactly what the bill DOES say leaving them mumbling as they scurried into a corner. He just came in and removed the Tampa DA who refused to follow the law and had his legal ducks in a row and beat him while also making the press look like fools. The press is already writing articles whining that they can't even hire anyone who can give them a source inside of the DeSantis campaign.

Oh, but none of that matters because Trump couldn't do it. I mean forget that he did open interviews where he acted like a moron with liberal reporters. Forget that he invited Bob Woodward unfettered access within the White House. Forget that he had more leaks than the boat the was shot up in the movie "Dunkirk". Forget that he had massive personal issues and his first reaction to everything was to insult people. Nope, none of that matters because they press will just attack DeSantis so no one will be able to tell the difference.

Simply because Trump acted like a disorganized idiot doesn't mean DeSantis will do the same. At some point he will get his chance to talk and unlike Trump he won't blow it over and over again.

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TexAgs91 said:

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AggieUSMC said:

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Yet he lost the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020.

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Without knowing how many votes were legitimate in 2020, that's hard to say.

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11 million illegitimate votes? I doubt it.

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I don't want to take this off on a tangent but that's a strawman argument essentially saying popular vote wins the election. If true Trump wouldn't have won in '16. There were 5 battleground states where VERY deep blue cities counted into the night with boarded up windows until enough votes were "found."

Were those votes all legit...probably not. Were there still enough "legit" votes to still give Biden a victory? Perhaps but the 11 million argument is weak sauce.

I hope everyone can agree we need more secure elections and the mass distribution of ballots using old bloated voter rolls was VERY irresponsible.

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I am a Trump supporter, I like DeSantis and would most likely support him in 2028.

He should think twice about going head to head with Trump at this time. Trump will not hold back and could damage his chances in the future

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If Trump does to Desantis what he did to Marco and Ted, and still gets the nomination, then yes, i can see the prospects for Desantis being the nominee in the future being tarnished because of him.

The thing is, is the future being able to start in '24 worth forgoing just because they like the personality that Trump has that causes him to act and say the things he does, which only makes things that much harder, if not impossible, to win the White House in '24.

It seems that there are many who would rather risk losing again just because they like the way Trump behaves, when they could put their primary support behind a guy who has a better chance, but doesn't act like the kid at the back of class who spends all year making fun of the teacher and everyone they don't like.

The primaries show who the party likes, for sure. The general shows who pays off.

Of the two, Desantis has a better chance of paying off.

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I am a Trump supporter, I like DeSantis and would most likely support him in 2028.

He should think twice about going head to head with Trump at this time. Trump will not hold back and could damage his chances in the future

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No one will give two ****s about what trump thinks in 2028. If DeSantis somehow loses in the primary he will easily be the front runner for the next election. We are one more election from trump thankfully disappearing forever, either by losing the primary or getting dominated (again) by biden.

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The dems will lie, cheat and steal like no other.

They literally don't give a sheet about the rules, the laws, etc.

All the care about is power and they will do anything/everything to get it or keep it.

DeSantis should throw his full support to Trump at this time. Let him go in be the bull in the China shop. DeSantis can follow in his footstep for any easy 8 years

Republicans have to come up with a ballot harvesting strategy for blue cities or its all mute. Got to get the ballots in the hands of voters and have someone vote for them the right way.

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I am a Trump supporter, I like DeSantis and would most likely support him in 2028.

He should think twice about going head to head with Trump at this time. Trump will not hold back and could damage his chances in the future

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"That's a nice political future you have there. It'd be a shame if something should happen to it."

DeSantis is enacting universal school choice, banning CRT, attacking ESG, literally taking over a university and letting Chris Rufo run it.

If his campaign loses to Trump commemorative knives, conservatives will have some soul searching to do. pic.twitter.com/4YrSZhCaJS

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) March 26, 2023

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Not the first time a cult gathered there.

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DeSantis should throw his full support to Trump at this time. Let him go in be the bull in the China shop. DeSantis can follow in his footstep for any easy 8 years

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Serious question, why? What could trump (who a lot of serious conservatives are just ignoring at this point) possibly do to impact his chances in 2028?

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DeSantis should throw his full support to Trump at this time. Let him go in be the bull in the China shop. DeSantis can follow in his footstep for any easy 8 years

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Serious question, why? What could trump (who a lot of serious conservatives are just ignoring at this point) possibly do to impact his chances in 2028?

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You mean like tell his supporters to vote for DeSantis?

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IMnAg79 said:

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DeSantis should throw his full support to Trump at this time. Let him go in be the bull in the China shop. DeSantis can follow in his footstep for any easy 8 years

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Serious question, why? What could trump (who a lot of serious conservatives are just ignoring at this point) possibly do to impact his chances in 2028?

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You mean like tell his supporters to vote for DeSantis?

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With his record of endorsements in swing elections DeSantis would probably rather him stay away.

As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

Then perhaps DeSantis doesn't want rallies or a massive GOTV effort.

Only one more year of these threads

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Then perhaps DeSantis doesn't want rallies or a massive GOTV effort.

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The thought that trump is the only one who can do that is absolutely hilarious considering he's the main reason republicans keep underperforming in the places that matter. Especially by 2028 when he'll be long forgotten after losing bigly (again) in 2024, either in the primary or the general.

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Only one more year of these threads

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Don't count on it.

When Trump loses to Biden, Newsom, or Michelle Obama, they will claim it was stolen, and prepare for Trump 2028.

Beto sure won big because of his rallies.

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Beto sure won big because of his rallies.

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This comment above is again in line with overall theme of this thread: "Big rallies mean candidate will lose." Ridiculous!

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

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He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.

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Also, if you support Trump you are fine with lockdowns and having a prez who LOVES the vaccine and is narcissistic and stupid enough to give himself credit for it lol.

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Leaders that battle the cabal have to be narcissistic
Only way they can battle, expose, and take down. People don't understand the world we are in.
Think of it like a hc or qb the nfl
Tom Brady marcissitic?

God annoints leaders at different times, God needed a battle axe for this moment

Not big Ron's time

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/massive-pre-dawn-lines-form-in-waco-tx-this-morning-for-historic-trump-rally-ted-nugent-announces-i-will-unleash-a-fire-breathing-star-spangled-banner/

Honest question: will DeSantis have campaign rallies and will he have thousands attend like Trump?

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It was also branch Davidian country just saying. In all honesty if Trump is the nominee then whoever the Dems run out including sleepy joe will win.

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

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He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.

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Fox News commentator: “The Bushes” are running Ron DeSantis’ campaign. pic.twitter.com/HXa1pkGebr

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) March 26, 2023

That gives me pause on DeSantis.

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Also, if you support Trump you are fine with lockdowns and having a prez who LOVES the vaccine and is narcissistic and stupid enough to give himself credit for it lol.

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Leaders that battle the cabal have to be narcissistic
Only way they can battle, expose, and take down. People don't understand the world we are in.
Think of it like a hc or qb the nfl
Tom Brady marcissitic?

God annoints leaders at different times, God needed a battle axe for this moment

Not big Ron's time

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God anointed an adultering habitual liar that has to pay off porn stars to not talk about the time he cheated on his pregnant 3rd wife with them? Weird choice.

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Bryanisbest said:

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

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He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.

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Fox News commentator: “The Bushes” are running Ron DeSantis’ campaign. pic.twitter.com/HXa1pkGebr

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) March 26, 2023

That gives me pause on DeSantis.

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At this point, despite all the evidence to the contrary, many of you are just dying for any excuse not to vote for Desantis and still cling on to Trump.

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Bryanisbest said:

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

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He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.

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Fox News commentator: “The Bushes” are running Ron DeSantis’ campaign. pic.twitter.com/HXa1pkGebr

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) March 26, 2023

That gives me pause on DeSantis.

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Which is exactly why the Fox pundit is saying it.

They want Trump, as does the rest of the media. Not only does it means tons of rating, but when he loses to the Democrat, it is a win-win for them. They get a Democrat back in office (likely with unlimited power thanks to a Democrat majority in Congress) and another 4 years of Trump raging that the election was stolen and he's going to run for a "fourth term" in 2028.

aggiehawg said:

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As I have said on here for months, DeSantis will not choose to run in 2024. Too risky for his political future.

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He's certainly lining himself up for it. His book came out at the right timing to run and he's a crazy popular governor right now. There could be worse things than losing to Trump and then getting behind him in a understated sort of way. Talk about the message, saving America, danger of the left, etc.
I think I remember reading Florida has a two term limit for governor. The danger is he could be forgotten by 2028. If he's had two years out of office.

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Fox News commentator: “The Bushes” are running Ron DeSantis’ campaign. pic.twitter.com/HXa1pkGebr

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) March 26, 2023

That gives me pause on DeSantis.

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It should give you pause on Trump. He's the one fueling this narrative.

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Which is exactly why the Fox pundit is saying it.

They want Trump, as does the rest of the media. Not only does it means tons of rating, but when he loses to the Democrat, it is a win-win for them. They get a Democrat back in office (likely with unlimited power thanks to a Democrat majority in Congress) and another 4 years of Trump raging that the election was stolen and he's going to run for a "fourth term" in 2028.

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Well under that theory, Rove crapped all over the Tea Party 13 years ago to set-up Trump with DeSantis?

It was Rove's actions to squash the Tea Party that led me to re-think my view of Rove. And then after 2020, when I was doing my deep dive on the evolution of the use of electronic voting systems, I became even more suspicious. If any one knows how demographics of voting jurisdictions work, it is Rove. His lack of raised eyebrows after 2020, said a lot to me. He couldn't even be bothered to do a data dive on the glaring statistical anomalies.